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(6/6/05)HD-DVD/BRD Soap Opera update:Toshiba to Matsushita:"BLOW ME!!"

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Kleegamefan

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Format war AHOY:(

From Todays CED:

New info: MT has DL HD-DVD down to a 2.8 second cycle time with yields at 90-95%. Toshiba reiterated that DL HD-DVD will cost 10-15% more than DL DVD at launch...with further cost decreases in the future.

From Monday's CED:

Toshiba Follows HD DVD Party Line to Refute Panasonic on 45-GB’s Feasibility

Toshiba Fri. followed the HD DVD party line to repudiate Panasonic’s claims to the major studios -- first reported in Consumer Electronics Daily (CED June 2 p1) -- that “no manufacturing feasibility” has been established for the replication of triple-layer 45-GB HD DVD ROM discs. But its rebuttal didn’t specifically respond to Panasonic’s allegations that not only does the 45-GB HD DVD require tolerances unheard of in the replication world, it’s based on manufacturing processes that haven’t been developed yet.

Panasonic has told the studios the triple-layer 45-GB requires “ultra accuracy” in production and must be within tolerances of plus or minus one micron. By contrast, Panasonic has said, tolerances of 10-30 microns were demonstrated for DVD manufacturing in the 1990s, and of 3 microns for Blu-ray in the last 5 years. Panasonic was instrumental in developing the “0.6" form factor for the current DVD, but has become perhaps the staunchest pro-ponent of Blu-Ray’s “0.1" form factor over HD DVD’s “0.6.”

Toshiba said the “central fact” of HD DVD is that all such discs “share the same basic structure as current DVDs. We have already amply proved the ability to produce HD DVD discs at a reasonable cost and at practical yield rates,” Toshiba said. The 45-GB disc in particular “shares the same production advantages as other HD DVD discs, and its production process using a soft-stamper is basically the same as for today’s process-proven, dual-layer DVD-R discs,” Toshiba said. So Blu-ray’s claim that the 45-GB must be built to tolerances unachievable today “is completely misleading as regards the larger picture,” Toshiba said. As evidence of the 45-GB’s feasibility, Memory-Tech, Japan’s largest independent replicator, has announced “full confidence in the practicality of manufacturing 45-GB discs, based on their abundant expertise and experience in HD DVD production,” Toshiba said.

Toshiba said it long has conducted “thorough studies” into the practicability of “0.1" discs, having announced development of rewritable 0.1 discs and demonstrating them at the Jan. 2002 CES. But “from our extensive experiments and studies with our partners, we have since selected the 0.6mm disc structure as the most practical technology for the future, while 0.1mm will remain in a laboratory for a long time,” it said. “We believe a sincere format argument should be made based on sufficient experiences of both disc structures, or by an objective disc replicator.”

The company said it was hard to understand Panasonic’s claim that Blu-ray is based on technology proven practicable in the last 5 years. “If that were the case, BD would surely have established volume production capabilities a long time ago,” Toshiba said. Another Panasonic contention was the claim that dual-layer HD DVDs couldn’t be produced at costs on par with those of regular dual-layer DVDs. “However, manufacturability of dual-layer HD DVD discs has been already proved,” Toshiba said. “Memory-Tech, for example, has produced over a million discs so far on its HD DVD/DVD compatible lines, at a current production yield of 90-95%, which is almost the same as that of DVD. HD DVD uses the same disc material as DVD, and the current production cycle time of dual-layer HD DVD-ROM disc is 2.8 seconds against DVD's 2.4 to 2.6 seconds.”

Toshiba said the production cost of dual-layer HD DVD will be 10-15% higher than for a dual-layer DVD in the beginning, but the disparity will decrease as volume increases. At last month’s Media-Tech Expo in Las Vegas, Toshiba said, leading replication equipment suppliers such as Singulus, M2 and Unaxis announced they were starting to sell HD DVD-ready, DVD replication machines, and they represented that their machines support dual-layer HD DVD. “This is a clear fact to prove the manufacturability of dual-layer HD DVD discs,” it said.
 

sly

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The thread title grabbed my attention :lol I guess Toshiba won't be going down as easy as I thought.
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
*Obligatory fuck toshiba and their HDDVD comment*
 

Teddman

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I thought it was odd that Panasonic came out firing off about "manufacturing feasibility" of disc media, seeing as they have no track record/experience in making DVD's/HD-DVD's/Blu-ray discs. Their recent commitment to make Blu-ray discs is the first time the company ever got into the disc replication business.

Complete newbies at making discs and then start spouting off about feasibility of manufacturing issues... This repudiation by Toshiba seems to confirm that.
 
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