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60% of millennials earning over $100,000 say they're living paycheck to paycheck

Mihos

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Exactly. If they are staying in that house, then all of that equity is essentially meaningless aside from paying higher property taxes. You move to another house in the same area or a similar area, and the prices have skyrocketed there as well. You only really get ahead if you sell and move to some lower cost area, such as moving from a big city to the suburbs or the country, in which case your standard of living is lowered and potentially your career prospects as well, unless you are working remote jobs only.

My property tax + insurance on my paid off 4800 square foot home, not counting the sun room, huge deck, and 2 car garage is $7200 a year... and if I move, I get %130 of what I put in it back (to date)

I am 'getting ahead' every month compared to renting.
 

MacReady13

Member
and make your money grow if you can.
This is where i'm at right now... How can I make my money grow? I am 41. Have just purchased a new how and about to purchase a new car but have some money put aside. What to do with this money instead of letting it just sit in our savings account???
 

Raven117

Member
My property tax + insurance on my paid off 4800 square foot home, not counting the sun room, huge deck, and 2 car garage is $7200 a year... and if I move, I get %130 of what I put in it back (to date)

I am 'getting ahead' every month compared to renting.
Have a family? Need that space?

I hope you are also calculating what amounts you could be investing with the lower rent costs and that pulled out 30 years on an investment schedule.
 

Raven117

Member
This is where i'm at right now... How can I make my money grow? I am 41. Have just purchased a new how and about to purchase a new car but have some money put aside. What to do with this money instead of letting it just sit in our savings account???
I'd consider maxing out 401K (if you aren't already). Perhaps consider a financial advisor (if you dont' want to spend the time do it yourself). I use a Financial Advisor and find the bit I pay them a year absolutely worth it.
 

MacReady13

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I'd consider maxing out 401K (if you aren't already). Perhaps consider a financial advisor (if you dont' want to spend the time do it yourself). I use a Financial Advisor and find the bit I pay them a year absolutely worth it.
I'm going to assume 401K would be what we call Superannuation, which is basically a retirement fund? I really need to put more funds into that as we are basically only contributing 9.5% or so of our total wage towards it. I was thinking of upping that to 15-20% and see how we go with that.
 

Raven117

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I'm going to assume 401K would be what we call Superannuation, which is basically a retirement fund? I really need to put more funds into that as we are basically only contributing 9.5% or so of our total wage towards it. I was thinking of upping that to 15-20% and see how we go with that.
Don't know exactly how that works. In the U.S., it is portion of your wages that can go into an investment account tax free. There is a limit to what can go in tax free though. So after that, you may want to put cash in other investment vehicles.
 

Mihos

Gold Member
Have a family? Need that space?

I hope you are also calculating what amounts you could be investing with the lower rent costs and that pulled out 30 years on an investment schedule.
I am retiring in 4 years... ten years ahead of schedule.

I don't need to rely on the theoretical.

But rerun your numbers, but include your rent as an investment with a 100% loss every month.
 
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rofif

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The basics of finance need to be taught in middle schools or even younger. Pretty ridiculous that, at least the ones I went to, there were basically no instruction on different ways to save, grow, conserve money.

You only live once though and there's no afterlife. "OOOOooooh heaven is a place on Earth!" Spend that cash how you want, G.
if you gotta manage your income, you ain't earning enough !
so yeah, learn to manage :p
 

Raven117

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I am retiring in 4 years... ten years ahead of schedule.

I don't need to rely on the theoretical.

But rerun your numbers, but include your rent as an investment with a 100% loss every month.
Great news! Glad to hear its worked out for you.

Yup, I sure have run my numbers with 100% loss of my rent. My rent is so low (because I don't need to utilize a home asset) that it is barely over taxes and insurance on a place...let along maintenance and those other hidden costs of homeownership.

My point being is that many folks tend to focus on homeownership first as the primary means of investing. My point is that it is not always the best choice in all circumstances. Significant gains (and higher gains), can possibly be made doing other things.
 

kiunchbb

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Just because they are living paycheck to paycheck doesn't mean they are being dumb with their money. They could spent most of their money on their mortgage, retirement contribution, investment, private school for children, risky ventures etc; things that cost them current luxury for long term benefits.

Not many that made over 100k have bunch of cash sitting around, because most of them are not stupid.
 

gatti-man

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I make a little over a 100k a year. Have 300k in savings, an 800k home that I owe 380k on, and I drive a 2019 nsx wtf are these people doing with their lives seriously

Owning a home has been my most solid investment over the last 15 years. More than doubled my money invested every time plus I got to live there. For many home ownership is integral to building wealth and credit.
Yup, I sure have run my numbers with 100% loss of my rent. My rent is so low (because I don't need to utilize a home asset) that it is barely over taxes and insurance on a place...let along maintenance and those other hidden costs of homeownership.

My point being is that many folks tend to focus on homeownership first as the primary means of investing. My point is that it is not always the best choice in all circumstances. Significant gains (and higher gains), can possibly be made doing other things.
 
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Raven117

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I make a little over a 100k a year. Have 300k in savings, an 800k home that I owe 380k on, and I drive a 2019 nsx wtf are these people doing with their lives seriously

Owning a home has been my most solid investment over the last 15 years. More than doubled my money invested every time plus I got to live there. For many home ownership is integral to building wealth and credit.
Home ownership is often not a DUMB financial investment. As I said, it very much depends on a host of other factors and there are plenty of other options that can yield the same if not higher returns...especially over the long term.
 

Dr.Guru of Peru

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I make a little over a 100k a year. Have 300k in savings, an 800k home that I owe 380k on, and I drive a 2019 nsx wtf are these people doing with their lives seriously

Owning a home has been my most solid investment over the last 15 years. More than doubled my money invested every time plus I got to live there. For many home ownership is integral to building wealth and credit.
You drive a 2019 NSX on a 100k a year salary and only 300k in savings? Did you mean a TSX or something?
 

gatti-man

Member
You drive a 2019 NSX on a 100k a year salary and only 300k in savings? Did you mean a TSX or something?
300k savings is plenty. I didn’t say I’m worth 300k. I’m worth close to a mill all in. The point was that you can enjoy your money, save, and still not live paycheck to paycheck. If you’re making six figures and not able to save your life style is out of control.
 

godhandiscen

There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
A very interesting study about millennials. I also have never heard of the HENRY term before, thanks for the enlightenment. By the way, help me decide. What years were millennials born? Which option do you lean towards more?
I believe millennials are people born between 1981 and 1995. I am a millennial. Millennials are also described as the worst financially responsible generation, however I feel they also fell pretty to some of the worst financial traps, credit cards, powerful behavior defining advertising, media addiction, drug legalization, the financial crisis, etc. Those situations as a cumulative worked against the millennial generation.
 
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StreetsofBeige

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I believe millennials are people born between 1981 and 1995. I am a millennial. Millennials are also described as the worst financially responsible generation, however I feel they also fell pretty to some of the worst financial traps, credit cards, powerful behavior defining advertising, media addiction, drug legalization, the financial crisis, etc. Those situations as a cumulative worked against the millennial generation.
Modern day is commercialized with so much useless shit compared to the old days of the 70s and 80s where our parents biggest strive for luxury shit was buying a nice TV and a VCR. Now its endless crap from big ticket items like BMWs and Audis and Cadillac marketed to young professionals when these were historically cars for old dudes with executive level jobs, to all the media/tech to blowing your money on espresso machines, Kitchenaid or Le Creseut (whatever the fuck it's called) expensive kitchen brands.

Back then a lot of parents were either coming from either broke grandparents or immigrants, so I'm pretty sure the average 60+ year old parent we all have was much more about saving money and being modest (or cheapskates like mine), whereas younger people know that mom and dad saved a tons and have a house to go back to, so they can blow their money knowing they can still fallback on mom and dads place till they are 45 years old. Mom and dad probably couldnt do a fallback plan on their broke ass immigrant parents who came after WWII, so they tried their asses off and saved.

My parents came in I think the late 50s and they didnt buy their first car till they were about 35 years old! And it was a shit car too. Before that it was taking the bus as a family everywhere.
 
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NecrosaroIII

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If someone is making over $100,000 and still having trouble buying a home in their 20s, 30s or even 40s, they got issues.

Spend less or aim the sights down a few notches.

It's a different era. Expecting to buy a giant family home like mom and dad bought in 1985 for $160,000 at a 12% mortgage rate(!) isn't happening anywhere anymore. If the going rate is a small modest condo for $300,000+, and thats all you can qualify for then that's what you got.

And if someone doesn't like it and would rather spend all their money so they cant qualify for anything but a Mercedes loan, that's fine. That's the lifestyle they want to live, then dont cry about not having money to buy a small home with a six digit salary.

My wife and I make about 120k a year. With a 20% down payment we are qualified for a 500k loan.

The only houses that are that cheap are houses are bad neighborhoods in socal. We're talking Compton bad. Gangs and sex offenders and shit bad.
 

sendit

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This is where i'm at right now... How can I make my money grow? I am 41. Have just purchased a new how and about to purchase a new car but have some money put aside. What to do with this money instead of letting it just sit in our savings account???

One of the biggest disrupters going on right now is crypto. Learn, research, and don’t go in blindly.

I would almost compare this to the .com boom. Possibly at a much larger scale.
 
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StreetsofBeige

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This is what 500-600k gets you in SoCal
All comes down down to how much you want to live in SoCal. If $500k gets you crap, consider moving.

In Vancouver a decent condo downtown is probably $1 million. You can also get a modest family home with a yard and garage in Alberta for probably half the cost. But if someone has to live in Vancouver, then youre paying $1M+.
 

NecrosaroIII

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Other pricing tidbits for Socal. My parents had a two bedroom house in North Long Beach. They were paying about 1800.00 a month on for 1050 Sq ft. Super rough neighborhood. My sister was mugged once and my car was broken into several times.

I'm currently renting a pretty nice apartment in Irvine for 1950. About 750 Sq ft. One bedroom. Much better town. Doesn't make sense to own a house. I can pay the same and live in a shitty dangerous place.
 

oagboghi2

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Other pricing tidbits for Socal. My parents had a two bedroom house in North Long Beach. They were paying about 1800.00 a month on for 1050 Sq ft. Super rough neighborhood. My sister was mugged once and my car was broken into several times.

I'm currently renting a pretty nice apartment in Irvine for 1950. About 750 Sq ft. One bedroom. Much better town. Doesn't make sense to own a house. I can pay the same and live in a shitty dangerous place.
how far away is your commute? You can find cheaper homes if you are willing to live in the inland empire like Riverside or Moreno Valley.
 
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NecrosaroIII

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how far away is your commute? You can find cheaper homes if you are willing to live in the inland empire like Riverside or Moreno Valley.
My office is down in Carlsbad. I'm actually a remote worker now (thanks to the pandemic, it opened up an opportunity for me to say I'm just as efficient at home) but I have to into the office for meetings and such. My wife works in Irvine and her family is here too.

Riverside isn't bad. Moreno valley though... I dunno. You're starting to get to the fringes of society once you're out that far.
 
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oagboghi2

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My office is down in Carlsbad. I'm actually a remote worker now (thanks to the pandemic, it opened up an opportunity for me to say I'm just as efficient at home) but I have to into the office for meetings and such. My wife works in Irvine and her family is here too.

Riverside isn't bad. Moreno valley though... I dunno. You're starting to get to the fringes of society once you're out that far.
…..I grew up in Moreno Valley.
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But yeah, I get it. House prices were getting insane before I left California, but I knew that the IE housing rices were always a little more stable than orange counties or Los Angeles.

I would recommend if your okay with suburban life, and want to start a family that area isn’t to bad. Atleast 600k gets you an actual home.
 

Porcile

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If I earned 100k in Japan where I live right I could literally live in anywhere I wanted in the city just outside of Tokyo and have a lot leftover. I really cannot imagine the living expenses in these American cities if 100k can put you on your arse if you're not careful. Right now I earn a pretty damn unremarkable and average salary and can still save money each month and buy whatever I want really. Eventually, I'll be able to buy my own small place.
 

NecrosaroIII

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…..I grew up in Moreno Valley.
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But yeah, I get it. House prices were getting insane before I left California, but I knew that the IE housing rices were always a little more stable than orange counties or Los Angeles.

I would recommend if your okay with suburban life, and want to start a family that area isn’t to bad. Atleast 600k gets you an actual home.
Where did you end up moving if you don't mind me asking? And what are you paying?
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I left Cali for an software engineering job in Jacksonville FL.

I'm currently in the house hunt as well, but I'm looking for homes that are around 400-500k




You get way more house at a lower price over here

$450k (about $575k cdn) could get a decent family home in most places in Canada, with total no-no in Vancouver/Toronto metro areas.

I sold an investment condo 5 years ago (about 1000 sq ft) for $650,000 cdn. Its now worth $1 million. Maybe more. That fucker who bought it off me made more money than I did on it and I bought it as a ground up development.

It's amazing at what kind of stuff you can buy for cheap outside giant metro hubs.

I'd say that slick looking house you posted would be worth $1.5M is the Toronto burb cities. Anywhere close to the core, I'd say $3M minimum.
 
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Star-Lord

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Whatever, go argue semantics with someone dull enough to care. Six figures is plenty enough to afford a lot of luxuries, if your point is to pick on my use of the word rich.
I think we have our wires crossed somewhere. I was trying to explain that £100K is considered rich, not just on the cusp. If someone struggles to live on £100K/year, they have a problem.
 
Am what people consider wealthy but live like a normie middle class. Dont need a Porshe, or a big ass house to live in. Good food, good games and post covid, good travelling.
 

AngelaLifman

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The basics of finance need to be taught in middle schools or even younger. Pretty ridiculous that, at least the ones I went to, there were basically no instruction on different ways to save, grow, conserve money. Now that I'm older, I certainly devote more time to my financial literacy. I use financial affirmations to become rich every day and you know, they work. You can also go now here to choose the right affirmations for you and finally start taking control of your life. It is important to completely change your thinking and stop thinking poorly. Imagine that you already have everything you desire. The universe sees only such signs. Then you will definitely succeed

You only live once though and there's no afterlife. "OOOOooooh heaven is a place on Earth!" Spend that cash how you want, G.
I hope that in a few years many such holes will be closed in the education system.
 
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LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
Damn laughable. Downsize and always live within your means.

Grow up humble and don't expect the best of the best at all times.

Me and the wife are living this as we've both recently in the last year had major promotions and aren't changing our lifestyle. Paying off debt aggressively and having more disposable income for fixes, vacations, and general rainy day type things.

Everyone isn't going to be the same but even if living in CA or NYC means 100k is more like 80k, that's still a modest living so long as you don't need the highrise condo in Manhattan or need the BMW LT XXX package.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Damn laughable. Downsize and always live within your means.

Grow up humble and don't expect the best of the best at all times.

Me and the wife are living this as we've both recently in the last year had major promotions and aren't changing our lifestyle. Paying off debt aggressively and having more disposable income for fixes, vacations, and general rainy day type things.

Everyone isn't going to be the same but even if living in CA or NYC means 100k is more like 80k, that's still a modest living so long as you don't need the highrise condo in Manhattan or need the BMW LT XXX package.
Yup.

Who knows, everyone says SF is ultra expensive so maybe $100k gets you nowhere there. But for the vast majority of places, $100k cdn or US or euro etc.... should be enough to lead to a decent living.

Now if someone is forcing themselves to blow their budget on dumb shit, or life or death have to live in SF then ok that's different.

The issue with the entire income/cost of living analysis is nobody ever looks at someone's spending habits or if they live in a more modest place or farther out outskirts of town. There's this weird mentality where people go extreme and bee-line cost of living to SF or Manhattan.

Hey perk up people, with covid everyone is working from home more. I know people at work who moved to a other city an hour+ away from the office. Bigger place or cheaper or both. You can always following them. Nobody says you have to live in the core where's it's expensive.

Like your mention of BMW, which seems every young fucknut wants, these kinds of cars and brands were historically for middle aged career people who already made bank and want to blow it. Exec types wearing a suit to work driving Mercedes, Jags etc....

But if you 26 year olds want to blow you money and have crazy monthly payments killing your mortgage qualifications go ahead. First car I bought was a Civic. And that was 20 years ago when real estate was way cheaper. And I still dumbed down to a Civic so I would have enounh money for other shit.

Everyone knows real estate has been going up for 10 years. It's not an overnight thing. So for those of you (and you know who you are) who blew your money so you could never buy even a shitty condo, and now it's worse because prices have zoomed, you got yourself to blame. You had time to budget and save 8 years ago.

I dont expect anyone making bad money to ever afford buying a house. Even in the cheapest part of town I don't think someone making $12/hr can ever buy a place, but for anyone making $100,000+ (the equivalent of making $50/hr), if you are living broke, you got budget issues or simply, you are living in a part of town that is over your head.
 
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lillars

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Damn laughable. Downsize and always live within your means.

Grow up humble and don't expect the best of the best at all times.

Me and the wife are living this as we've both recently in the last year had major promotions and aren't changing our lifestyle. Paying off debt aggressively and having more disposable income for fixes, vacations, and general rainy day type things.

Everyone isn't going to be the same but even if living in CA or NYC means 100k is more like 80k, that's still a modest living so long as you don't need the highrise condo in Manhattan or need the BMW LT XXX package.
Agreed. Live below your means if possible. Give yourself room to splurge when you need it. Following that simple rule will lead you to an early retirement provided you maintain a steady source of income.
 

dorkimoe

Member
300k savings is plenty. I didn’t say I’m worth 300k. I’m worth close to a mill all in. The point was that you can enjoy your money, save, and still not live paycheck to paycheck. If you’re making six figures and not able to save your life style is out of control.
Its location based too...some states dont have state income tax...others tax the FUCK out of you
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
I should note since the state tax thing was brought up that I live in FL. I've lived in MI and CA as well so I know the pinch and how to make it.

I'm in a very fortunate and blessed place now and yes, it's work, but we are starting to make our dream retirement come closer into focus.
 
We've said this at least a dozen times in this thread. It's a combination of things one of which is that $100K isn't what it used to be. Six figures sounds rich but it's really right on the cusp.

Personally, that's in the neighborhood of what I earn and we don't currently have a second stream of income. We have everything we need, but occasionally we have to burn our savings to cover some big unexpected expenses. We then spend several months rebuilding it only to knock it out again. We budget. We know where a lot of our money goes (usually eating out at dine-in restaurants) when we're not covering big unexpected expenses.

So we know we can trim some fat from our expenses. We have plenty of money to buy "toys." But even if we did save instead of buying toys and eating out, there's this feeling that it would just get eaten up by other expenses. We have a long list of things that need to get done eventually. Some of it is home and landscape. Some of it is repair. There will always be plenty of things needing your money, gaf. You will always have more things to throw money at.

I'll just contribute again.

I have owned my property now since early 2020 - had nothing to do with covid. It is a medium sized townhome. I was able to reduce mortgage by a little over $200 a month; now just under $2100. Unfortunately, houses in my direct community have now all appreciated past $1,000,000, and my home appreciated past the cost of a medium sized home in many areas, so I doubt I will be able to purchase a stand alone here unless I get married; which I'm never in a rush to do so, and not sure I even care. My community also burned down [see post history] so I'm very concerned about price appreciation on homes next year.

Solid raise of about 10% [what I typically get]. I raised my 401k contributions enough to just barely miss the maximum [over doubled the contribution]; so my paycheck size changed by about $50.
I was able to get to about 6-7 months of emergency finances. This allowed me to make some purchases that I had been wanting to make for quite a while. Of course, after I made these purchases, I started having emergency expenses, so now I have about 3 months of emergency finances [if I changed nothing about my life]. This makes me feel mildly pinched, but I know I can't really complain.

I have some financially beneficial things happening this year, so I just need to figure out how to make that work for me. Originally, this money was going to be my entry into buying a home, but I made the decision to jump in earlier because I couldn't keep up with the price appreciation in my community before covid, which was a great move, and I wish I did it sooner.

On the negative side of things, my vehicle is over 20 years old, it will pass over 200,000 miles this year; so a vehicle is going to be in play within the next 0-3 years. I had wanted it to survive long enough to get an appropriate EV SUV, but I don't know that it will. I'm far more into function than style on a vehicle, and the only EV SUV that does what I require for my vehicle is the Rivian R1S, and I really doubt I will just dunk money into one. My vehicle was the $$$$ emergency expense of the year, rather than allowing myself to pay MARKET ADJUSTMENT PRICES on a newer vehicle. This might not have been the smartest decision, but it's what I did. I'd love for it to make 2-3 more years.
 
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