A Consolidated List Of All PS Vita Flaws

I only care about the lack of multiple account support and the crappy state of storing PSP (and soon, Vita) games on my PS3. Fix those two problems and you've sold me a Vita. Hell, it doesn't even need to support as many accounts as the PS3, 2 would be fine (though 3 would be ideal).

I don't understand the whining about the UMD Conversion program at all. Sony were only ever going to do one of two things: This or absolutely nothing. The fact that there's an option at all is an improvement. Still don't like it? Don't do anything then, that UMD will still run on your PSP just fine. Which leads me to another point, you own exactly what you paid for, the idea that you're suddenly entitled to a PSN version for free is ridiculous. They're two different versions of the game. Just because I've got a number of retail PC games doesn't mean I expect Valve to give me Steam versions of them for free.

As far as the other "flaws" go, there's a chance the last two will have already been fixed by the western launches so I fail to see why they deserve that much criticism at this point. And comparing the lack of PS1 game support to the complete lack of an entire online store on the 3DS is completely daft.
 
Nearly every thread that I make is common to both Gamespot and NeoGAF. I try and post uniformly across forums. Beyond this, I honestly do not see the need to do any more explaining.
 
Luigiv said:
I just remembered another minor fault that bugs me about the Vita;

>>No generic mass storage capabilities therefore no DRM free Japanese demos

They will be missed. Makes the whole single account thing even worse for me (I find switching accounts on the PSP too cumbersome, fat chance I'm doing that shit on the Vita).
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Yea that restore to factory settings step is really crappy.

LiquidSolid said:
I only care about the lack of multiple account support and the crappy state of storing PSP (and soon, Vita) games on my PS3. Fix those two problems and you've sold me a Vita. Hell, it doesn't even need to support as many accounts as the PS3, 2 would be fine (though 3 would be ideal).

I don't understand the whining about the UMD Conversion program at all. Sony were only ever going to do one of two things: This or absolutely nothing. The fact that there's an option at all is an improvement. Still don't like it? Don't do anything then, that UMD will still run on your PSP just fine. Which leads me to another point, you own exactly what you paid for, the idea that you're suddenly entitled to a PSN version for free is ridiculous. They're two different versions of the game. Just because I've got a number of retail PC games doesn't mean I expect Valve to give me Steam versions of them for free.

As far as the other "flaws" go, there's a chance the last two will have already been fixed by the western launches so I fail to see why they deserve that much criticism at this point. And comparing the lack of PS1 game support to the complete lack of an entire online store on the 3DS is completely daft.
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Here is your new bubbles and you're gonna like it :p (needs to be able to move to a folder though)
 
I have to say that if you've ever bought the original first (launch) revision of any handheld since the original Game Boy, you got screwed. Seriously. Always wait for the first redesign, by then the price will have dropped a lot too!
 
LiquidSolid said:
I don't understand the whining about the UMD Conversion program at all. Sony were only ever going to do one of two things: This or absolutely nothing. The fact that there's an option at all is an improvement. Still don't like it? Don't do anything then, that UMD will still run on your PSP just fine. Which leads me to another point, you own exactly what you paid for, the idea that you're suddenly entitled to a PSN version for free is ridiculous. They're two different versions of the game. Just because I've got a number of retail PC games doesn't mean I expect Valve to give me Steam versions of them for free.
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You know that you can redeem some boxed copies (not Steamplay enabled games) of regular (older) games on Steam for no cost? Origin does this with some games too, as well as redeeming some of your Steam keys on it for Origin copies too.

Personally, I would rather mail them my UMDs and they give me a code and make it take like 5 weeks instead of having to pay the $10.
 
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Infinite Justice said:
Here is your new bubbles and you're gonna like it :p (needs to be able to move to a folder though)
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Well yeah, I'm over the fact that 15GB's of PSP games became absolutely useless overnight. My main issues at the moment are that you can't sort them (so it's pointless even keeping them on your PS3) and that Sony did this without bothering to inform anyone about this. The latter issue alone kills any trust I had in Sony.

Thoraxes said:
You know that you can redeem some boxed copies (not Steamplay enabled games) of regular (older) games on Steam for no cost? Origin does this with some games too, as well as redeeming some of your Steam keys on it for Origin copies too.

Personally, I would rather mail them my UMDs and they give me a code and make it take like 5 weeks instead of having to pay the $10.
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Some of them can be redeemed, yeah, but the list is relatively small. And Origin only lets you redeem EA games from the last couple of years. Any games before that (like Mass Effect 1) and it won't work.

As for the trade-in system you mentioned, it would be exceedingly expensive on Sony's end (setting it up in every country they sell games) and what would they do with the UMDs anyway? Dig a hole and throw them away ET cartridge style? I don't think it was ever a real option.
 
DR2K said:
Vita is a fucking ugly piece of shit compared to the GO. That's one of the biggest reasons I'm not going anywhere near it.
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What are you smoking? the GO is one of the most overrated designs ever. I absolutely hate its awful D-pad and its cramped form factor.


marc^o^ said:
In the revision I want the PSP Go design - a bit bigger, a 3D screen, internal storage, TV out, and all this at a lower price. I expect it mid 2013, unless Vita sells extremely well.
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Yuck. No thanks.
 
shidoshi said:
Yeah, sorry. No matter what pirated may or may not do, that isn't an excuse for screwing over your paying customers.
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Yes you're right but things like battery replacement (Pandora), propietary Memory (You needed to change MSticks during the first hacking procesess on PSP) are direct consequences from that. Sony is only protecting itself. Bad and shit news, right but I can understand it.
 
>Battery Life: I rarely play for longer than 2 or 3 hours with my portable consoles and I very rarely play outside. I also treat my batteries with care so I haven't had one dying on me yet.

>Entry Price: It's a good price for what it is and it will go down, this isn't a flaw.

>No on board memory: I agree on this one, they should have included 512MB or something like that. I don't think it will impact much our daily gaming but it's silly not to have it.

>Memory Cards are a requirement for many games, games won't even start without Memory Cards: Who wasn't going to buy a 4GB card for $25? Who would use their Vita without one? The real flaw is not having on board memory, memory cards themselves are fine.

>No TV output: Not a flaw, just a design choice. I doubt even 2% of users would use it.

>Backwards Compatibiltiy is a mess: No, using UMDs would have been a mess. Ditching UMD and using cartridges is much much much better. I have a PSP for my PSP UMDs. You sometimes gotta choose between BC and a better new machine. It's like if PS4 had PS3 BC at the cost of being 50% slower than other solutions. No thanks.

>Only one account per system: Only one account at the same time. If you need japanese games and use DD so much you'll need more than one memory card anyway, just swap them and bam there you go. You don't even need to have more than one, it's just for the convenience. If changing WiFi, theme and wallpaper settings is so terrible for you then yeah, you're fucked. I guess you prefer not having the option of accessing other regions at all.

>You can't use the browser while playing games: It would be cool to have it but it will eventually come, I'm pretty sure. Almost every time I'd rather use my PC to browse anyway.

>PSOne Classic Games Won't Be Available At Launch: Same as UMDs, I already have 2 consoles where I can play PSOne Classics, if they matter so much to me. I wouldn't buy a $250 machine to play PSOne Classics, too.

>You Can't Manage Your Vita With A Mac: I don't have a Mac.


There, not so doomy and gloomy now.
 
I might have to forgo getting the PSP Vita at launch because I'm already hurting from having gotten the 3DS at launch. Yes the 3DS sucking so much at launch might cause me to not purchase a Vita at launch. Buying the 3DS at launch may be one of the worst purchases in video gaming I've made. It's not like I'm hurting that bad financially either.

Plus I have so many games in my backlog......
 
Only thing really bumming me out is the lack of internal memory. I was really hoping Sony would continue what they started with the Go.

The rest of the list doesn't affect me, or borders on nitpicking.
 
pramath,

They do have their incentives in making sure there is a good revenue stream from PS Vita accessories and they did not want to increase the unit's production costs too much (which is why they went against GB of built-in flash storage), but that is a restrictive point of view. The problem with external memory cards becomes complex to handle because of the fact that you are not just going to use them as memory cards for save data and DLC content. These are the same memory cards you use to download full games into and then install them. The PSN games will have to run from it.

Simply using SD cards might have not provided the sustained Read and Write speeds necessary to assure game developers the same performance they get from retail releases. Leaving it up to users to make sure they get the right SD card for the job, provided that Sony's solution is not technically better than SD cards on the market today (which might not even be true), is a recipe for disaster and could fragment the platform's experience beyond what the platform holder can control.
Of course, this is a problem ultimately caused by Sony themselves which has not provided built-in storage.
 
Takao said:
Until the PSPgo, the TV out on PSPs required you to still have the PSP in your hands. For touch things, that can still work. I really do believe that they're saving TV out for a revision due to fears of hurting PS3 sales in Japan.
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I think too. Latest debug units seem to have hdmi output so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Wouldn't be surprised, also, if the need for the memory card ended up being corrected in western retail games. Still seems like an odd thing to me.
 
Risk Breaker said:
>Only one account per system: Only one account at the same time. If you need japanese games and use DD so much you'll need more than one memory card anyway, just swap them and bam there you go. You don't even need to have more than one, it's just for the convenience. If changing WiFi, theme and wallpaper settings is so terrible for you then yeah, you're fucked. I guess you prefer not having the option of accessing other regions at all.
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You realise resetting to factory settings will also mean wiping the account, right? And if it's anything like the PS3, redownloading a decent sized trophy list from scratch will take between 30 minutes to an hour (probably more if you've got an enormous one). It's hardly a simple 2 minute matter of quickly getting your settings back to how you want them.

It also means that you can't play any games you buy on a different store on your main account. No friends list or trophies, so it's gimping those games. And that's why comparisons to the PSP, 3DS or whatever are stupid. Those handhelds didn't have a system like PSN as one of the main features of the device.
 
Any neogaffer active in an armpit community like Systemwars (lol) is not worth anyone's time. Off to the ignore list with you.
 
LiquidSolid said:
It also means that you can't play any games you buy on a different store on your main account.
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This part we don't know yet. The only games that work like that on PSN are the two infamous Capcom games.

I've deleted plenty of random one-offs accounts on GAF and could still use the content. It all depends what factory reset actually does. If it formats the drive it makes the whole thing unfeasible. Nobody is going to want to lose all save games and redownload all games.

If factory reset deletes the account and the preferences + settings then the one account per system will be merely a big inconvenience.
 
bandresen said:
This part we don't know yet. The only games that work like that on PSN are the two infamous Capcom games.

I've deleted plenty of random one-offs accounts on GAF and could still use the content. It all depends what factory reset actually does. If it formats the drive it makes the whole thing unfeasible. Nobody is going to want to lose all save games and redownload all games.

If factory reset deletes the account and the preferences + settings then the one account per system will be merely a big inconvenience.
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On PSP you have to play with the account you bought.

It'd be great if Vita worked like PS3 rather than PSP in this respect, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It seems to follow the same 'it's a personal device, one system per user' philosophy as PSP.
 
When it comes to gaming hardware the decision usually isn't based on: "Which one is the best" but more based on: "Which one is the least terrible"
 
pramath said:
>No on board memory: And for a 2011 system, this is flat out unacceptable. The last system to be sold without on board memory was the Xbox 360 Core, and that was discontinued years ago.
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The PSP doesn't have onboard memory and was sold without bundled sticks for for a large part of its life.
 
gofreak said:
On PSP you have to play with the account you bought.

It'd be great if Vita worked like PS3 rather than PSP in this respect, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It seems to follow the same 'it's a personal device, one system per user' philosophy as PSP.
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Even on PS3, you need to have the account on the system and have it activated. Download a game and then delete the user it's attached to and the demo won't work anymore. bandresen seems to be saying the opposite works but having tried it myself, I can pretty comfortably say that you can't just delete accounts.

Oh and I seriously doubt resetting to factory settings would wipe memory cards. What it'll wipe is most of the data stored on the small internal storage its got (which will hold the firmware, settings, your account, trophies, etc).
 
LiquidSolid said:
You realise resetting to factory settings will also mean wiping the account, right?

It also means that you can't play any games you buy on a different store on your main account. No friends list or trophies, so it's gimping those games. And that's why comparisons to the PSP, 3DS or whatever are stupid. Those handhelds didn't have a system like PSN as one of the main features of the device.
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Well, obviously, you switch one account for the other. But I never had much problem synchronizing my trophy list (level 9 here) on different consoles to be honest, something like 3 to 5 minutes.

The second part is the problem, account locked content, but it's the same on PSP.

@bandresen: you can always take the card out, I really doubt it can make you format your card to use a different account. It would be stupid :/
 
LiquidSolid said:
Even on PS3, you need to have the account on the system and have it activated. Download a game and then delete the user it's attached to and the demo won't work anymore. bandresen seems to be saying the opposite works but having tried it myself, I can pretty comfortably say that you can't just delete accounts.
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Yeah, think the account has to still be there. Obviously with Vita only one account can be there at a time anyway, so...

LiquidSolid said:
Oh and I seriously doubt resetting to factory settings would wipe memory cards.
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I'm sure it won't. It's still a pain the bum to reset but I don't think it's format-your-memory-card-bad.
 
LiquidSolid said:
Even on PS3, you need to have the account on the system and have it activated. Download a game and then delete the user it's attached to and the demo won't work anymore. bandresen seems to be saying the opposite works but having tried it myself, I can pretty comfortably say that you can't just delete accounts.
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Interesting that you have a different experience. There must be around 20 threads on this forum where people have shared early demos or exclusive betas and I have not once kept the throwaway account on my PS3 to be able to play them.

Also I didn't know the PSP locked content per account. If the Vita does this then all hope is lost.
 
Jesus some peoples fanboyish defence mechnisms are fucking hilarious, don't try to turn clear negatives and stupid design choices into positives. The devise has clear obvious flaws... along with every piece of technology that has ever been released. Just accept its not perfect, no one is judging you on what you choose to purchase, if your looking forward to it and willl enjoy using a vita thats cool, you don't have to justify it. But there is no need twist reasonable objectivism into blaten ignorance and lies :p the 3ds has a fuck ton of issues at launch and tons of ongoing stupid deign choice that grind gears, doesn't mean alot of people love it and have fun playing there games on it, and that justify the price paid to them.
 
DMeisterJ said:
The lack of PSOne classic support is huge for me. Not deal breaker huge as it's coming, but an issue nonetheless.
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Can't wait until the they reveal the reason behind the delay as preparation for PS Suite and how the merge necessitates re-purchasing all your games. :teehee
 
Ah, another Vita hate thread! I wake up every morning hoping for one and GAF never let's me down.
Also OP, you forgot to include "CANCEL YOUR PRE-ORDER" in your thread title. Seems every Vita thread title has it now. Why stop here?
 
ace3skoot said:
Jesus some peoples fanboyish defence mechnisms are fucking hilarious, don't try to turn clear negatives and stupid design choices into positives. The devise has clear obvious flaws... along with every piece of technology that has ever been released. Just accept its not perfect, no one is judging you on what you choose to purchase, if your looking forward to it and willl enjoy using a vita thats cool, you don't have to justify it. But there is no need twist reasonable objectivism into blaten ignorance and lies :p the 3ds has a fuck ton of issues at launch and tons of ongoing stupid deign choice that grind gears, doesn't mean alot of people love it and have fun playing there games on it, and that justify the price paid to them.
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Yep, but currently the best handheld ;P
yadayada not released yet blah
 
chickdigger802 said:
I agree with most of your points except this. Were you one of the guys that was ok that ps3 still doesn't have hdmi cables packaged in?
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I'm ok with it since HDMI cables are so cheap. I think i payed $25 or $30 for 4x 6feet HDMI cables about 3-4 years ago and i still use them without any problems :) Xbox 360 doesnt have a HDMI cable included either for that matter.
 
Why don't you guys just scream "YOU'RE A FANBOY!" to each other out loud?

This thread is some kind of annoying passive aggressive hall of shame.
 
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