AC: Unity's devs: 60FPS doesn't look real and is less cinematic, 30FPS feels better
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Oh of course, it's not like the Asscreed series is famous for having a great and stable framerate right?
Again, in my eyes MGSV has better animations and Arno's character model (dem dead eyes) looks like a fucking joke compared to Big Boss.
It's pretty hilarious since Unity is a next/current-gen only game and MGSV is a cross-gen game running at 1080p and 60FPS with a day & night cycle, seamless transistion from cutscene to gameplay etc. so why would you even try to argue here, there is absolutely no excuse for Unity to run at 30FPS (or below LOL!)
but yeah let's not turn this into a Unity vs MGSV thread. Different opinions etc.
Handy Fake
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When's Jim Sterling's next video out?
Should be a cracker.
Should be a cracker.
Sanctuary
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LOL. Sorry if this is old news, but it deserves reposting.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/its-unimaginable-that-assassins-creed-quality-will/1100-6422077/
What the fuck is he implying? Why do most franchises last? Where do they get these people? I also like the part where this guy practically pats himself on the back for getting rehash down to a science.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/its-unimaginable-that-assassins-creed-quality-will/1100-6422077/
What the fuck is he implying? Why do most franchises last? Where do they get these people? I also like the part where this guy practically pats himself on the back for getting rehash down to a science.
When I first played ME3 at higher frames on my PC (vs my console) I admit at first I was wierded out by how slidey and smooth everything was. Within days though I got used it though. Do I prefer it? Maybe. Probably. I haven't played it for a while due to my PC being out of commission but I believe I liked the effect.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I doubt that anyone who has ever worked on a triple A game would honestly agree that 60fps is not superior in every way. He's lying because a large majority of gamers don't know anything about framerates in the first place.
Passion does not run through your QA department, Ubi. I think what does run through your QA department is diarrhea.
I'm talking mostly about the fucking framerate, this is what this thread is all about. Are you trying to say below 30FPS is acceptable? have ever seen a game that runs at 20-25FPS?
Also, lol @ people saying Unity has better animations than MGSV. I completely disagree.
Best running animation ever.
Having watched the MGSV video from the other day, I was struck by how MGSV has a mix between some amazing fluid animations and some completely awful, wooden, robotic ones.
Sanctuary
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Yeah, but it's robotic at 60fps!
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I don't understand why developers can't just be frank with why they can't go 60fps. 30fps isn't that big of a deal as long as there are no drops. But no, you have to drop stupid BS alongside your explanations that makes you sound incompetent.
any examples for those "completely awful, wooden, robotic" animations?
EventHorizon
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I actually don't mind 30fps. It's the lying double talk I can't stand.
SerTapTap
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yum
They need to just drop the lame excuses of trying to tell us what is best for us because they will always be wrong.
They just need to straight up be honest with us like Evolution was with DriveClub and say that the consoles aren't capable of giving the visual experience that we want AND the best frame rate so we picked one vs the other.
I swear it's like some companies just can't say they were wrong about something.
Speculation: I think what is happening with devs at this point is that they are coming to the realization that the new consoles are not as powerful as they thought they would be so now, all of a sudden, after they've been working for years on these titles with the assumption that the hardware would just be better than what it actually is, they are having to make sacrifices to one of two things, the visual quality or the frame rate.
They just need to straight up be honest with us like Evolution was with DriveClub and say that the consoles aren't capable of giving the visual experience that we want AND the best frame rate so we picked one vs the other.
I swear it's like some companies just can't say they were wrong about something.
Speculation: I think what is happening with devs at this point is that they are coming to the realization that the new consoles are not as powerful as they thought they would be so now, all of a sudden, after they've been working for years on these titles with the assumption that the hardware would just be better than what it actually is, they are having to make sacrifices to one of two things, the visual quality or the frame rate.
CyberPunked
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The animations for Snake's wood, robot hand
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Did you see the digital foundry vs AC4 article on ps4? Or the Watch Dogs vs Digital Foundry article, they had to actively get a shit ton of police cars for the framerate to experience noticeable drops, Big Ubisoft games on ps4 have been very optimized so far this gen, no reason to expect anything less from AC Unity. And I honestly don't see how you could possibly find BB's animations better, I don't even recall him compensating for different levels of elevation.
I think there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that the teams are very passionate about their job. You have to wonder how some teams feel, can't see the passion in MW3 compared to BO2 etc.
GameSeeker
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It is good that Ubisoft keeps talking about ACarity. Every interview helps explain the lack of technical competence in the AC and Watch Dog teams.
Ubisoft doesn't know how to program 60fps, so they target 30fps.
Ubisoft doesn't know how to program 1080p, so they target 900p.
Ubisoft doesn't actually reach their target so what they actually have is a 900p/25fps game with no anti-aliasing solution.
I think Ubisoft should lock the PC, Xbox and PlayStation versions of ACarity to 720p, 30fps with anti-aliasing. Maybe, with a lot of hard work, they might achieve this after a Day 1 patch.
arity. Every interview helps explain the lack of technical competence in the AC and Watch Dog teams.Ubisoft doesn't know how to program 60fps, so they target 30fps.
Ubisoft doesn't know how to program 1080p, so they target 900p.
Ubisoft doesn't actually reach their target so what they actually have is a 900p/25fps game with no anti-aliasing solution.
I think Ubisoft should lock the PC, Xbox and PlayStation versions of AC
arity to 720p, 30fps with anti-aliasing. Maybe, with a lot of hard work, they might achieve this after a Day 1 patch.Chezzymann
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Apparently our eyes see reality at 30 fps now? I'm pretty sure its much higher than 60 fps if there is some sort of limit to how many frames we can see.
Memorabilia
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Got out my hip-waders BC the PR bullshit is flowing deep and fast yet again...
dragonelite
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I dont get what framerate has to do with being cinematics.
Thought cinematics means a good story and well scripted events.
Seems something that is possible to do at 60fps.
Why not just tell we use 30fps to ensure paris really looks good.
Thought cinematics means a good story and well scripted events.
Seems something that is possible to do at 60fps.
Why not just tell we use 30fps to ensure paris really looks good.
Personally I think the slower running animation and the jump animation could be polished. I don't think they are awful personally but I think they are not as good as ones like the fast running you posted.
Late to dis thread, but
I agree with him.
The hobbit and parts of 2012 looked like a made for TV movie when it switched from 30 to 48+ fps.
movies just end up looking like a soap opera on TV when they up the FPS.
But guess what. VIDEO GAMES ARE NOT MOVIES
The higher the FPS, the BETTER since we need to CONTROL THE ACTION.
The more fluid the game runs, the easier it is to control.
Hey UBI DEVS! Try controlling a game at 1 FPS vs 60 FPS and tell me which one was easier to control....
Seriously, Its like they want to totally demolish any sense of brand loyalty with their customer base at this point. Why are they so dim?
I agree with him.
The hobbit and parts of 2012 looked like a made for TV movie when it switched from 30 to 48+ fps.
movies just end up looking like a soap opera on TV when they up the FPS.
But guess what. VIDEO GAMES ARE NOT MOVIES
The higher the FPS, the BETTER since we need to CONTROL THE ACTION.
The more fluid the game runs, the easier it is to control.
Hey UBI DEVS! Try controlling a game at 1 FPS vs 60 FPS and tell me which one was easier to control....
Seriously, Its like they want to totally demolish any sense of brand loyalty with their customer base at this point. Why are they so dim?
the reloading animation is one that comes to mind... but mgsv's weirder animations are all in service of the gameplay and that's intentional to prevent the player from having their play style slowed down by the game just running through a long, if realistic animation
but about ass creed, i have no idea what this dev is talking about. everybody knows the 'double speed' effect of 60fps goes away when your eyes adjust and has the same 'cinematic' look as 30, but the smoother animations, motion blur, camera movement, and more responsive controls remain.
BigTnaples
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While 60fps is always "better", you are also always going to have devs that want to push fidelity to the max at 30 instead of less at 60. And with consoles they always have to make that choice.
Nothing wrong with that.
That said, they worded this horribly and tried to sugar coat it. Also poor timing.
Nothing wrong with that.
That said, they worded this horribly and tried to sugar coat it. Also poor timing.
Chezzymann
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I think the argument in movies is that high frame rate makes CG effects in live action movies stick out more as 'fake' because we can see all the little errors in the animations that make it more obvious it isn't real. Creating that cheap 'soap opera' effect. Buuuut, there isn't live action stuff being mixed with special effects in games so that shouldn't be an issue.
yiepekaiyei
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Them brainwashing me? are you sure?
If you can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps, then i suggest you go to a doctor to check your eyes. First time I saw something at 60 I was amazed at how good it looks and plays and I don't even had internet back then. How can I be brainwashed by myself?
The problem with you guys is that you are conformists. You take whatever pr bullshit and embrace it. It's clear that they don't have the competence to do something but, instead of acknowledge their mistakes, they go trash talk their blind fans. It's not because they want it to be cinematic or the human eye can't perceive. It's because they couldn't do it, just that! Too much work for gamers that play games with framerate lower than 20 for 10, 15 years. Why should they bother if they can sell anything?
:l....
If they just said "We couldn't achieve 60FPS with this game, so we decided to roll with 30FPS to ensure a stable and fluid gameplay experience" many of us would have been cool with their statement but NOPE, just say that "It doesn't look real! And besides, all games can be 30FPS!!!".....
Them comparing it to Ratchet and Clank is just so stupid X(; Into the Nexus suffered because of its frame rate (unstable 30FPS...felt so off compared to past games in the series; still playable and fun but still
...) and the games are ACTION games, so 60FPS make them play better :l...
I guess Ubi wants to keep on digging that hole their XD! I say lets just get some popcorn and see how far they want to dig themselves.
If they just said "We couldn't achieve 60FPS with this game, so we decided to roll with 30FPS to ensure a stable and fluid gameplay experience" many of us would have been cool with their statement but NOPE, just say that "It doesn't look real! And besides, all games can be 30FPS!!!".....
Them comparing it to Ratchet and Clank is just so stupid X(; Into the Nexus suffered because of its frame rate (unstable 30FPS...felt so off compared to past games in the series; still playable and fun but still
...) and the games are ACTION games, so 60FPS make them play better :l...I guess Ubi wants to keep on digging that hole their XD! I say lets just get some popcorn and see how far they want to dig themselves.
I know it makes almost no difference and that the game will sell a lot again, bit I can't support shit like this, my £ will be going on something like SO instead.
It's always a race to the bottom with Ubi, with their 700 man conveyor belt developments and recycling of game mechanics.
It's always a race to the bottom with Ubi, with their 700 man conveyor belt developments and recycling of game mechanics.
Yeah, I had a lot of friends who hated Hobbit 48fps and thought it looked like a sitcom rather than a movie. I thought it looked great but I felt like I was the minority.
CyberPunked
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Do you know why 24fps is used as cinema standard? It's because it's the minimum frame rate that is perceived as a moving image. So back in the day when cinema was new, they just stopped at that FPS because anything higher wasn't absolutely necessary. This dosing mean that going higher is bad, it's just everyone is used to the bare minimum.
This is stupid thing to say. Sorry.
It's not actually stupid at all. The way it works is this. If a company does something wrong and mistreats its customers, it is appropriate for a customer to hope that the product fails so that the company in question learns from their inappropriate actions and doesn't continue them in the future.
If it is just a success despite the backlash, they learn they can continue to mistreat customers as long as they like.
Savantcore
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I wish Ubi would give Assassin's Creed a year off, rebuild a single, core team to handle development, and then just release it when it's ready. Would be amaze.
one is a movie, one is a game. different things.
I think it's an understandable sentiment that's focusing on the negative aspect.
I imagine you don't really hope for the game to bomb, you hope for Ubi to develop a better game and become more consumer friendly and the game bombing is a means to that happening.
It's a hope for a positive outcome but the statement itself is focusing on the negative that needs to happen for the positive to come about.
It actually has more to do with the motion blur, or lack thereof. The motion blur in 24 FPS footage is a lot more pronounced than in 48 FPS footage, and that can contribute to the 'cinematic' look that people are so used to.
Of course, it's also worth noting that 60 FPS is extremely useful for reducing input lag in video games, something that is completely inapplicable to movies.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
All of those are untrue. Pretty sure that the majority of ubisoft games on ps4 run at 1080p. A good amount of them also run at 60fps, CoL, VH, and Rayman to name a few. And also, the game uses a custom temporal AA solution. It's not about "not knowing how to program 60fps or 1080p."
Always-honest
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Well, with character design like that it will look like shit in any framerate.
Disappointed in what i've seen since the reveal.
Disappointed in what i've seen since the reveal.
ZeroMaverick
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Ubisoft is right.
cleveridea
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So I guess Shadow of Mordor is an abomination then