at least outfit it with a nice lian li!Rentahamster said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112172
but otherwise, add firewire 800, 400, leopard, and optical in/out soundcard.
Adobe CS4 Is Out -- Impressions/Reviews
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112172
but otherwise, add firewire 800, 400, leopard, and optical in/out soundcard.
Rentahamster
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Okay, then. With 2 Xeons, the PC build comes out to $2,329.89Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
The Mac Pro, on the other hand, comes out to $2,799.00, a $469.11 difference.
Manabanana
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HEY GUYS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH CS4...oh
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Please read my posts.Rentahamster said:
Rentahamster
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giga said:
Okay, you can replace the Asus mobo with a TYAN S2696A2NRF (SATA) Dual LGA 771 Intel 5000X Extended ATX Server Motherboard, ($75 more). No optical, but I don't need that for Photoshop.
Leopard costs $109.95 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832110040) on Newegg, but for this build we're using Vista x64 anyway, so that's $139.99 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116478).
But anyway, we really should be talking about CS4. I think the point of interest was that the 64bit PC take advantage of 64-bit CS4 whereas the Mac Pro can't.
eso76
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Flo_Evans said:
yeah i know, i'm not complaining because i know that's not really what flash is for, but i find flash interface so much more comfortable to work with and i wish i could use if for everything; actually i do : )
As for trying to make videos with flash, heh, i do it all the time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gcfVS-yLlA
(some bullshit commercial i did around the time cars came out, client asked for a cars rip off btw. nothing special but it was done in 2 days for a very small local tv)
WordAssassin
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Holy shit, really? :O :O :OFlo_Evans said:
What if I make a web animation, but want to submit it to Spike & Mike, and it has to be on a DVD, playable in a DVD player? I honestly don't know if DVD player play .swf files, but I doubt it. So it'd have to be an AVI or WMV or MOV file. And really, none of your suggestions replicate the animation features in Flash. So, I tried to get it from Liu Kang but couldn't, do you know of any other programs that are just like the animation portion of Flash, but not Flash?
eso76
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WordAssassin said:
yeah, it works, i just tried
it has bugged me for years and i've been searching for solutions on internet and never came across this : \
Best option is to export movie in image sequence, import it in premiere and make an avi out of it.
Like i said, i suggest making flash movies half the desired speed than speed it up to 200% in premiere to obtain smooth animations
Always-honest
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huh.. sorry, wrong thread.. i thought this thread was about CS4.
WordAssassin
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Oh Lord, talk about extra work, though. I already keyframe everything in Flash, export it as a GIF sequence to redraw all frames in Sketchbook Pro so they look decent and don't dance all over the place, import them to Photoshop so that I can then import them back into Flash on transparent layers, and then export as a video file. To have to them export it as another image sequence and open it in another program and tweak the timing again.... uggghhhhhh....eso76 said:
I wish that there was just one program that could do all this. Honestly, I LOVE the look of drawings in Sketchbook Pro. It can even do layers. If they could make a pug-in called Flipbook Pro that added a timeline like Flash's, oh God, I would shit and come all over myself. It'd be the PERFECT tool for doing pencil tests.
One thing that puzzles me about CS4 is why Adobe is so proud of the multiple artboards in Illustrator. I'm not an Illustrator user myself, so I have no idea why this is supposed to be impressive. Could any Illustrator users shed some light on how/why the multiple artboards are useful?
Other than that, I'm loving the OpenGL stuff in Photoshop, as that's the one I use. I don't normally use Flash, but some of the new features are tempting me real bad... The "new" (we've seen it since Lightroom, etc, so it isn't actually new), darker and more workflow-based UI style is excellent as well.
Other than that, I'm loving the OpenGL stuff in Photoshop, as that's the one I use. I don't normally use Flash, but some of the new features are tempting me real bad... The "new" (we've seen it since Lightroom, etc, so it isn't actually new), darker and more workflow-based UI style is excellent as well.
phillipgessert
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aku:jiki said:
Multiple artboards is like the equivalent of mulltiple pages, and when you import the AI into InDesign it can act just like a multi-page pdf. Also, if you are setting up several documents that all use the same graphics (like a branding project), you can do as much of it within a single file as you like.
Shogmaster
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The cost is one thing, but total misuse of parts is another. You are wasting money on parts that does not help you in your CS4 efforts what so ever (infact, it hinders!). And Apple does not give you a choice on that.VNZ said:
Phoenix
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Yeah, and you probably want to check out the performance envelope between comparable machines as well. Adobe is in the midst of porting their whole suite to Cocoa - but when the benchmarks come out I think people will see that in the average case (where most people are) 64bit STILL isn't paying off yet.giga said:
WordAssassin said:
Have you ever even opened after effects? It's WAY more powerful than flash. People that say it's no good for animation have no idea what they are talking about... That's the core purpose of the program! You have keyframes, layers, movieclips (called compositions in AE) and WAY WAY more animation tools, blending options, and easing/velocity controls. Not to mention TONS more effects! There is definitely a bigger learning curve to it, but if you are serious about animation you should try and learn it.
Burger
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aku:jiki said:
Partly because it's a useful feature that shouldn't have been complicated to implement, yet has been missing from Illustrator for years. Freehand has had it for the longest time, and seeing as how Adobe brought Macromedia, it should have been included in CS3.
Anyway, if I'm setting up promotional stuff, I might need 2 artboards at 400x500mm and 3 at 300x600mm, currently they all have to be in separate files. If they could be all in one file, exported all at once to PDF/EPS automatically at the click of a button, auto named etc that would be awesome.
Somehow I suspect that such a basic feature eluded one of the biggest CAD firms in the world. Sure multiple artboards are in there, but I doubt they thought about all of the above.
Epic elitism in this thread, amazing.
Anyway, if anyone is still interested in talking about the actual Adobe CS4 suite, let is be know that the changes to the interface are great, especially in OSX. The 3D rotation tool in Flash also is such a welcome addition, no more faking perspective with bizarre methods.
Anyway, if anyone is still interested in talking about the actual Adobe CS4 suite, let is be know that the changes to the interface are great, especially in OSX. The 3D rotation tool in Flash also is such a welcome addition, no more faking perspective with bizarre methods.
WordAssassin
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Oh wow, really? I actually have a copy of after effects on my iMac, but I've never used it because I have no idea how. I've always knows it has a ton of effects (my friend and I used it to green-screen some CG in high school, he's used it for the overdone light saber effect, etc) but I was always told that traditional hand-drawn animation is better suited for programs like Flash. Can you draw IN After Effects, then, or do you have to do your frames in something else and import them in? (Something I LOVE about Flash is the ability to scrub animations in progress to make sure it looks right as you draw it.)Flo_Evans said:
So I just picked up CS4 to try out and I've found a problem.
I've did a bit of research around the web for people with similar problems but I haven't found anything yet so I'll throw this here and maybe with some luck someone will know what's wrong.
I use a Wacom tablet to do my art and with CS4 when I'm drawing or doing anything involving strokes the sensitivity occasionally 'skips' out and I get a full width line as if drawn with a mouse instead of the stylus. This is incredibly frustrating.
I have updated drivers, reinstalled Photoshop CS4, deactivated certain parts of the tablet functions and still nothing has changed. I've tried using CS3 and Corel Painter 10 also and the problem does not pass over to those programs.
I've also tried turning off the new GL function in CS4 preferences, that didn't change anything.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
I've did a bit of research around the web for people with similar problems but I haven't found anything yet so I'll throw this here and maybe with some luck someone will know what's wrong.
I use a Wacom tablet to do my art and with CS4 when I'm drawing or doing anything involving strokes the sensitivity occasionally 'skips' out and I get a full width line as if drawn with a mouse instead of the stylus. This is incredibly frustrating.
I have updated drivers, reinstalled Photoshop CS4, deactivated certain parts of the tablet functions and still nothing has changed. I've tried using CS3 and Corel Painter 10 also and the problem does not pass over to those programs.
I've also tried turning off the new GL function in CS4 preferences, that didn't change anything.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
DarkAngelYuna
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Wow, how do you people afford legal copies of photoshop? :lol
phillipgessert
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It's out, dude.so_awes said:
Edit: Ha, missed the 'try out' part.
GoldenEye 007
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As a student, I was able to pick up Adobe CS3 Design Premium for like $300. Not terrible when you figure books for one or two classes can cost the same price.DarkAngelYuna said:
Shogmaster
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I know that was supposed to be clever, but I'm not sure if it delivered....Phoenix said:And you think that all of the parts of CS4 are good for you?
Anyways, just tried it out. The screen rotation part totally outdoes the Painter. What's even better (for us drawing / Painting with it) is that holding down shift key and using the brushes is kept to our orientation and not the canvas's orientation. This is something Corel dropped the ball on and Adobe totally got it right.
zoku88 said:
I'm not running a top of the line machine, this is just my personal laptop but I think 3GB of Ram is fine. I dedicated 1500 of it to Photoshop like I do usually.
I didn't clean the registry, I'll do that tonight.
As for 'skipping' imagine you're drawing lines normally in Photoshop with your tablet, it's got it's sensitivity right, well my problem is that actually Photoshop is not reading the sensitivity and it will just put out a line as if it were drawn with a mouse, full width, no sensitivity etc. Sorry, it's a bit hard to explain.
And I got my hands on it from work. Personally I don't find it that appealing given the problem but the other Artists are liking it. Maybe it's time I bought that new Macbook Pro.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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By doing one thing ever in Photoshop and charging a person for it and being able to buy Photoshop for the next three versions at least.DarkAngelYuna said:
Seriously, what's going on here? I feel like such an elitist saying these things about actually affording it, but I shouldn't because it's just doing one thing, ever. I guess it's just a recurring theme on the Internet where everyone wants to do freelance work at some point but no one ever actually does it. It's really much easier than you'd think, but you have to actually have the motivation. It's unreal considering the great Photoshops that pop up here every now and then and the frequency at which some people do them. Just one real project.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Make something, put it up somewhere, start talking to people and show your work to them. Your question right there is exactly the problem. It should be obvious, and if it isn't, a quick Google search on freelancing immediately lands you some hints and some blogs where people are talking about it.Slurpy said:
Well, there's a little bit more to it than that. If he wants to be serious about freelancing, then he needs to learn how to write a boiler-plate and a working contract to take real advantage of his skills and not be taken advantage of.Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
How the hell does Adobe expect students to upgrade every year? Master Collection with student discount is $1000 -_- I think they just gave up that sector to piracy and are concentrating on businesses.DarkAngelYuna said:
Woah. So if you're creating a slide-show style presentation, you can do it all in one file and export as a multi-page PDF? That sounds really handy.Adol said:
Firestorm said:
What sector? One you've made up in your head? What degree could possibly need a student to have access to every component of the Master Collection? And what student would upgrade their perfectly serviceable software every year anyway regardless of the cost?
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At my school (graphic design) we are trained to use:Burai said:
* InDesign
* Photoshop
* Illustrator
* Acrobat
* Flash Professional
* Dreamweaver
* Fireworks
* After Effects
* Adobe Premiere Pro
* Encore
That's 10 out of 11 apps included in Master Collection (not including bridge etc. because those are just some tools included)
CS4 is worth it, too, I'm saving a lot of time already in Photoshop.
Erhm, what?Burai said:
Let's see, I know how to use all of the following:
Photoshop
Flash [really good in both AS2 and AS3]
Illustrator
InDesign/Quark
Dreamweaver
Final Cut Pro
Premiere
Pro Tools
Acrobat
And if I wanted, I could take a class on After Effects [as it intrigues me heavily].
I design websites for a living! You know, that field that would actually take advantage of each and every one of those mediums listed above!
Although, I was smart enough to identify what I want to focus on in the web field. At my school, you get to choose if you want to take a front-end path in web or the backend side of stuff, but either way you will be taught to use many different programs so that you can identify what you want to do after you graduate as a professional.
If you ran a traditional art school, would you only allow your students to learn how to draw in crayons?
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My copy of the Design Premium upgrade arrived today. I only got about an hour in to play with it, but I did notice that Version Cue is handled a bit differently. You can't access your Version Cue server from Bridge CS4, though apparently there will be a patch or something mid-November so you can. It did come with something called Adobe Drive, though-- you can use it to mount your server kind of like an external drive.
I didn't notice an 'Adobe Dialog' option either, which I guess could be a little hinky regarding versioning; but maybe Adobe Drive isn't as picky about what's checked out and what's not, or maybe there's a preference I haven't enabled yet.
Had to try Blob Brush right away-- it's great. You can set it up just like a regular Calligraphy Brush, pressure sensitivity and all.
I didn't notice an 'Adobe Dialog' option either, which I guess could be a little hinky regarding versioning; but maybe Adobe Drive isn't as picky about what's checked out and what's not, or maybe there's a preference I haven't enabled yet.
Had to try Blob Brush right away-- it's great. You can set it up just like a regular Calligraphy Brush, pressure sensitivity and all.
phillipgessert
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If you have two monitors, you might like the fact that CS4 lets you dock your pallets to the edge of your secondary monitor the same way you could dock it to the edges of the primary monitor in CS3. Palettes can also float in their iconified state, which I don't think was possible in CS3.
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