CuteFaceJay
Member
2nd hand 3090 should be plenty.
Advice: New PC for my son’s 10th birthday
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Zathalus
Member
Honestly not a bad build for the price, I'm in NL as well, are you using a specific site or store?Thanks for the advice
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
This isn't 2007, these days there's no such thing as an overkill CPU thanks to all the CPU heavy issues games have these days: shader compilation stutter, traversal stutters, Ray Tracing, Path Tracing, DLSS upscaling (makes games CPU limited by reducing strain on GPU ). Back in 2007 u got a CPU, it got 60fps in games and you were set Direct X would take care of everything else, now games are way more complicated and dev mistakes using DX12 and Vulkan have big consequences on performance most of them being CPU related.
The only protection gamers have is getting the best CPU they can reasonably afford, no such thing as an overkill CPU in the stutter era.
demigod
Member
$1900 for a 5070? Where do you live? My advice, build the PC.
MrAlwaysRight
Member
looks fine for a pre-built, go for it, it's an investment into his future.
Cyborg
Member
Its via Bol.com
hououinkyouma00
Member
This is my advice as well. I don't know the situation in Europe though.
Here in the states looking at only Microcenter that build would be around $1500-1600. So you could get an upgrade to a 5070ti or a 9070XT alongside what I'm sure is a better mouse and keyboard or have money for a monitor.
Plus you could shave off some money by choosing cheaper parts where possible (I simply allocated like $150 for the case, $150 for the PSU, $100 for a SSD, and matched the rest of the parts as exactly as I could).
Hideous Snake
Gold Member
Solid build although my advice is to build it yourself. Also that 12GB VRAM is not good for the long run
Because he's a fucking legend thats why.
delirium trigger
Member
Only like 10% of steam users have more than 12 GB of vram. I think a 10 year old can survive, lol. You guys are ridiculous.
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
Yeah everyone has 32 gb ddr 5 ram+ryzen 7 7800 3d alongside their 8gb gpus. Kids can survive with anything. But this one doesn't want to just survive, he wants to feel the master race in his veins!!!!
iQuasarLV
Member
3 things I wish I knew before trusting Steam's hardware survey data
Maybe do not take that as the unskewed truth.
PeteBull
Member
Bro, when i was 10yo(early 90s) i couldnt afford any pc(back then they were super expensive and tech advanced so quickly even highend gaming pc was junk for new games after 2 years) i was just buying 4(basically all avaiable at that time in my country) pc paper magazines monthly and just reading articles/reviews/news instead, dont underestimate kid's love for gaming/pc tech, very likely its gonna last 4ever and it will be even passed down to his children(at least boys)
delirium trigger
Member
The average pc gamer has a 60 class card.
VolticArchangel
Member
OP, in order to get help online, provide necessary info on what you're looking for, exactly.
Specify which country you're from and which SI you're getting this pre-built quotation from.
That build can be made way better, if you build it yourself. Are you ready to or can you assemble a PC by yourself?
The only info we have, to help, is that you're from the EU and the budget is (+/-) €1650. What is the maximum budget that you're willing to stretch? What is the monitor is he going to play on? Is it 4K or 1440p? Depending on resolution, you can cut the 7800X3D to a lower bidget CPU and add that budget to a more faster GPU.
So, name your country, possible list of online retailers in your country for PC parts, total/maximum budget, and the monitor this rig is going be used on, to get a more accurate quote from people here (possibly even from your country).
Specify which country you're from and which SI you're getting this pre-built quotation from.
That build can be made way better, if you build it yourself. Are you ready to or can you assemble a PC by yourself?
The only info we have, to help, is that you're from the EU and the budget is (+/-) €1650. What is the maximum budget that you're willing to stretch? What is the monitor is he going to play on? Is it 4K or 1440p? Depending on resolution, you can cut the 7800X3D to a lower bidget CPU and add that budget to a more faster GPU.
So, name your country, possible list of online retailers in your country for PC parts, total/maximum budget, and the monitor this rig is going be used on, to get a more accurate quote from people here (possibly even from your country).
Cyborg
Member
Guys,
Thanks for all the replys, I orderd a bit more futureproof PC for him. His birthday is on Wednesday, I hope he will be surprised.
www.megekko.nl
Thanks for all the replys, I orderd a bit more futureproof PC for him. His birthday is on Wednesday, I hope he will be surprised.
- Case: NZXT H5 Flow RGB Black
- Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D (8Core 16 Thread 5 Ghz)
- Cooling: NZXT Kraken 240 RGB Black
- Moederboard: MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB (2x16) 6000Mhz CL 30 DDR5
- Card: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5080 16G
- SSD: Kingston KC3000 2 TB PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD
- Power: NZXT 850W Gold
- Windows 11 Pro
- And this monitor:
Megekko.nl - Gigabyte M27UA 27" 4K Ultra HD 160Hz IPS Gaming monitor
De Gigabyte M27UA is een krachtige 27-inch 4K Ultra HD gaming monitor met een snelle 160Hz IPS-paneel.
kiphalfton
Member
9070 and 9070 XT were only worth getting before they jacked the prices up and the 5070 Ti was still out of stock.
Zero reason to buy either the 9070 or 9070 XT now.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Guys,
Thanks for all the replys, I orderd a bit more futureproof PC for him. His birthday is on Wednesday, I hope he will be surprised.
- Case: NZXT H5 Flow RGB Black
- Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D (8Core 16 Thread 5 Ghz)
- Cooling: NZXT Kraken 240 RGB Black
- Moederboard: MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB (2x16) 6000Mhz CL 30 DDR5
- Card: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5080 16G
- SSD: Kingston KC3000 2 TB PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD
- Power: NZXT 850W Gold
- Windows 11 Pro
- And this monitor:
Megekko.nl - Gigabyte M27UA 27" 4K Ultra HD 160Hz IPS Gaming monitor
De Gigabyte M27UA is een krachtige 27-inch 4K Ultra HD gaming monitor met een snelle 160Hz IPS-paneel.
Great build i came in just to say make sure you have 6000mhz cl 30 memory but you've nailed it.
Great build.
I would lose my mind if my dad bought me that.
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Cyborg
Member
I appreciate it
thanks
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ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
Great build, happy birthday to your son! I still remember my first pc and I'm grateful to my family for it. I hope it won't be an overkill roblox machine thoughGuys,
Thanks for all the replys, I orderd a bit more futureproof PC for him. His birthday is on Wednesday, I hope he will be surprised.
- Case: NZXT H5 Flow RGB Black
- Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D (8Core 16 Thread 5 Ghz)
- Cooling: NZXT Kraken 240 RGB Black
- Moederboard: MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB (2x16) 6000Mhz CL 30 DDR5
- Card: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5080 16G
- SSD: Kingston KC3000 2 TB PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD
- Power: NZXT 850W Gold
- Windows 11 Pro
- And this monitor:
Megekko.nl - Gigabyte M27UA 27" 4K Ultra HD 160Hz IPS Gaming monitor
De Gigabyte M27UA is een krachtige 27-inch 4K Ultra HD gaming monitor met een snelle 160Hz IPS-paneel.
PeteBull
Member
Inbefore u get tens if not hundreds dms from fellow gaffers asking to adopt them, solid unit btwGuys,
Thanks for all the replys, I orderd a bit more futureproof PC for him. His birthday is on Wednesday, I hope he will be surprised.
- Case: NZXT H5 Flow RGB Black
- Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D (8Core 16 Thread 5 Ghz)
- Cooling: NZXT Kraken 240 RGB Black
- Moederboard: MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB (2x16) 6000Mhz CL 30 DDR5
- Card: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5080 16G
- SSD: Kingston KC3000 2 TB PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD
- Power: NZXT 850W Gold
- Windows 11 Pro
- And this monitor:
Megekko.nl - Gigabyte M27UA 27" 4K Ultra HD 160Hz IPS Gaming monitor
De Gigabyte M27UA is een krachtige 27-inch 4K Ultra HD gaming monitor met een snelle 160Hz IPS-paneel.
Cyborg
Member
I mean a good Gaffer would gift my son his first Steam gameInbefore u get tens if not hundreds dms from fellow gaffers asking to adopt them, solid unit btw
Mister Wolf
Member
Guys,
Thanks for all the replys, I orderd a bit more futureproof PC for him. His birthday is on Wednesday, I hope he will be surprised.
- Case: NZXT H5 Flow RGB Black
- Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D (8Core 16 Thread 5 Ghz)
- Cooling: NZXT Kraken 240 RGB Black
- Moederboard: MSI B650 Tomahawk Wifi
- Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB (2x16) 6000Mhz CL 30 DDR5
- Card: Nvidia Geforce RTX 5080 16G
- SSD: Kingston KC3000 2 TB PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD
- Power: NZXT 850W Gold
- Windows 11 Pro
- And this monitor:
Megekko.nl - Gigabyte M27UA 27" 4K Ultra HD 160Hz IPS Gaming monitor
De Gigabyte M27UA is een krachtige 27-inch 4K Ultra HD gaming monitor met een snelle 160Hz IPS-paneel.
Good dad.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Some have said this is overkill, but with those specs at least you won't need to worry about upgrades for a while.
I would say that you could do this for cheaper if you bought the parts separately and build it yourself.
Cyborg
Member
I looked into that option! In the Netherlands it was maybe 100 EUR cheaper so it was not a big difference. I also first went with 5070TI but the difference between 5070TI and 5080 was 160 EUR.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
If it's only 100EUR then just go with the pre built. Saves a lot of hassle.
That's also a very good price. A similar pre built PC in the UK (5070ti, Ryzen 7, 1TB SSD) would set me back £2,699, or around 3116EU.
I only looked at one store, so might be cheaper elsewhere, but it sounds like you're getting a steal.
BacklashWave534
Member
I did this and he uses it to play Roblox 
Edgelord79
Gold Member
It's for a 10 yo. I'm sure he'll be fine with that. Most likely he's going to be spending a lot of time on Minecraft and Roblox. May even decide it's not for him and find other interests.
In other words, don't overspend trying to futureproof at that age.
In other words, don't overspend trying to futureproof at that age.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I built my 11 year old daughter a PC over the summer for like $500. Went for used parts and came up with the following:
Honestly she couldn't be happier and she can play literally every game at 1080p/60fps with no issues. Including modern, demanding games like Spider-Man 2, Hogwarts Legacy, etc.. you name it. I just let the Nvidia app automatically assign the quality settings for each game to keep it as simple as possible for her.
Don't forget that a 10 year old doesn't give a flying fuck about 4k visuals or max settings or 120fps or anything like that. They just want their games to work without much messing around.
- AMD Ryzen 5700x CPU
- Nvidia RTX 3070 GPU
- 32GB RAM
- 1TB SSD
- 1080p/165hz 27" Monitor
Honestly she couldn't be happier and she can play literally every game at 1080p/60fps with no issues. Including modern, demanding games like Spider-Man 2, Hogwarts Legacy, etc.. you name it. I just let the Nvidia app automatically assign the quality settings for each game to keep it as simple as possible for her.
Don't forget that a 10 year old doesn't give a flying fuck about 4k visuals or max settings or 120fps or anything like that. They just want their games to work without much messing around.
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ecosse_011172
Banned
Trying to imagine the reaction if I as a a 10 year old told my dad I needed a 1500EUR PC for my birthday as the PS5 isn't enough...
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Check out a proper system integrater like PC Specialist. Should be able to get a build for much less than £2,699, surely?
Topher
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Trying to imagine the reaction if I as a a 10 year old told my dad I needed a 1500EUR PC for my birthday as the PS5 isn't enough...
Meanwhile, a PC gamer dad's reaction.....
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Yep.
Had a look on PC Specialist and I could do it for around £1600.
What the fuck are Currys smoking where they think they can sell a PC with the same specs for £2.6K?
Topher
Identifies as young
If Currys is like Best Buy then they are daring you to buy it at that price, but will offer a steep discount eventually if it sits too long.
AltruisticFormality
Neo Member
Talking about playing games, there is such thing if you want a balanced system. A 7800X3D is over twice the price of a 7600X in my region. That's a decent chunk of money that can be directed towards a better GPU.
You won't get much performance gains out of a 7800X3D/9800X3D paired with the GPU performance level of the 5060Ti/9060XT. Not even with 5070/9070 if you target 1440p with high/highest settings.
A bunch of recent games have CPU related problems and a stronger CPU might help mitegate them, but the lack of software optimization is the main issue and high end hardware is also affected by it.
Most games are still GPU bound before being CPU bound, unless you scale back on graphics settings and resolution.
And while ray tracing can have a significant performance impact on the CPU side, it's more substantial on the GPU.
If you are playing at 1080p and medium settings then yes, the CPU will be a more differentiating factor. But if you target 1440p with the highest settings that your graphics cards allows, a lower end but still very capable CPU will do fine.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
Problem with this is you're looking at average fps not frame time health. You could grab the worst stuttering UE5 game and make an average fps bar chart and the game would look fine. The problem is the user will still suffer the stutters regardless of how many average fps the graph is reporting.Talking about playing games, there is such thing if you want a balanced system. A 7800X3D is over twice the price of a 7600X in my region. That's a decent chunk of money that can be directed towards a better GPU.
You won't get much performance gains out of a 7800X3D/9800X3D paired with the GPU performance level of the 5060Ti/9060XT. Not even with 5070/9070 if you target 1440p with high/highest settings.
A bunch of recent games have CPU related problems and a stronger CPU might help mitegate them, but the lack of software optimization is the main issue and high end hardware is also affected by it.
Most games are still GPU bound before being CPU bound, unless you scale back on graphics settings and resolution.
And while ray tracing can have a significant performance impact on the CPU side, it's more substantial on the GPU.
If you are playing at 1080p and medium settings then yes, the CPU will be a more differentiating factor. But if you target 1440p with the highest settings that your graphics cards allows, a lower end but still very capable CPU will do fine.
If a game is well optimized like say Valorant or CS2 or Doom TDA then you're absolutely right in your assessment problem is this isn't the DX9 era many games are going to be UE games or stutterfests like Elden Ring. DX12 and Vulkan raise the bar higher for devs than DX9 did and with how many things modern games have to juggle it's easy to see how the devs would just dump this work on the CPU and call it a day, but you won't see it on a bar graph.
AltruisticFormality
Neo Member
The numbers in those charts include 1% lows. It's not a frametime graph but its a good reference point to infer minimum framerates and consistency.
They are also an average of the results from multiple games. The complete article here has more data points.
Just an example that shows a very consistent framerate. Even at 1080p with medium settings there is basically no performance difference between 9800X3D and 7600X while using a RX9070 or lower GPU.
The 5600 also does well, the 1% lows are worse but with 154FPS it's far from being a subpar experience.
With DX12 I had some problems. But Vulkan in particular has worked great for me for the most part. I use DXVK with some old DX9 games.
Older games usually only use 1 or 2 CPU threads, sometimes resulting in bad performance and frame pacing. But Vulkan helps to spread the load more evenly among CPU threads.
Rodolink
Member
if my son asks for this when his 10 ill, give him 300€ max old laptop, and give him to play old school (my old school) games before he even attempts to open Call of Duty 3000, Fortnite, Minecraft or whatever the heck they would be playing then...
And get me a 1600€ PC for myself instead
And get me a 1600€ PC for myself instead
cinnamonandgravy
Member
when i wanted my first pc, i had to save up for a year and could only afford used parts.
so ~13yr old me had to figure out what to buy (and what'd give the best bang for my buck), how to put it together (yay jumpers), figure out why it wasnt booting (yay used parts), how to install windows, etc etc
it was wild--but in hindsight, glad my dad didnt just give me a pc like i asked him to
so ~13yr old me had to figure out what to buy (and what'd give the best bang for my buck), how to put it together (yay jumpers), figure out why it wasnt booting (yay used parts), how to install windows, etc etc
it was wild--but in hindsight, glad my dad didnt just give me a pc like i asked him to
chorizosausage#3774
Member
I regret buying my son a PC, the amount of time policing I have to do is fucking exhausting.
Fahdis
Member
delirium trigger
Member
That's an awesome systyem you put together for your son.
I do always get a kick out of people asking
I think it's awesome that OP got his kid a great system but it's threads like these that give a warped view of pc gaming and leads people to think you need to spend 2k+. You don't have to have an 80 class card and x3d chip to play modern games, not even close.
I do always get a kick out of people asking
I think it's awesome that OP got his kid a great system but it's threads like these that give a warped view of pc gaming and leads people to think you need to spend 2k+. You don't have to have an 80 class card and x3d chip to play modern games, not even close.
Cyborg
Member
Tommorow is the day, I will be picking up the PC! Last minute advice
- Is there a overview what software I should download? Or what do you recommend?
- Is Gforce Experience the same as Nividia app? Should I go for the app?
- I asked them to create a partition! One for windows + software and others for all the games
- I play to start with steam and epic stores! We never used it before but I think it will be easy to download and launch games (I plan to make a seperate folder ''games'')
Any good tips are welcome
- Is there a overview what software I should download? Or what do you recommend?
- Is Gforce Experience the same as Nividia app? Should I go for the app?
- I asked them to create a partition! One for windows + software and others for all the games
- I play to start with steam and epic stores! We never used it before but I think it will be easy to download and launch games (I plan to make a seperate folder ''games'')
Any good tips are welcome
ecosse_011172
Banned
ImportantTommorow is the day, I will be picking up the PC! Last minute advice
- Is there a overview what software I should download? Or what do you recommend?
- Is Gforce Experience the same as Nividia app? Should I go for the app?
- I asked them to create a partition! One for windows + software and others for all the games
- I play to start with steam and epic stores! We never used it before but I think it will be easy to download and launch games (I plan to make a seperate folder ''games'')
Any good tips are welcome
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Nvidia app is the "new" GF Experience. You just "need" it.
Other than that you may need only a software for your controller if it's not an Xbox's or PS5 controller.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Isn't it only for 4k gaming or something?
I'm running a 4070 in 1440p have no issues with new games to run 140+ fps
RickMasters
Member
Make sure you personally Build it with him. That's some quality father-son time right there! He will never forget it.
Plus it's a good opportunity to teach him how to build a computer from scratch.
Plus it's a good opportunity to teach him how to build a computer from scratch.