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[Violater]

This is relatively low hanging fruit. Also, people can focus on more than one thing at once.

To end racism in the US is to change it's DNA. Something much harder and nearly impossible to do.

Well at least now everyone should know for certain to avoid Alabama.

I don't think you get where both sides are coming from.

I have not experienced the situation from both sides true.

 

[Van Bur3n]

no history is being purged, just purging the idolization of a figure who fought for immoral values, that contradict your founding values, and represented a torn nation.

 

[Kreed]

Dude, it was Australia, and the game was invented by Gaborn (RIP) in this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305487

Granted, it was a twist on the old Love Line game "Germany or Florida," but Gaborn read and posted a lot of weird news, and noticed a weird trend in Australian weird news at the time, and decided to add it.

It was Austrian news that was the trend. And in the same thread I posted which predates Gaborn's (RIP), they comment on the meme of GAF confusing Australia and Austria in Austrian threads.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11168263&postcount=25

And here's one with Gaborn (RIP) responding to the "correction" as a bonus:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13075283&postcount=19

That said...

In summation, G/A/F has always been, and will always be "Germany/Australia/Florida" on this forum.

...I'll leave this alone and move on.

EDIT: Or I should have just found this post earlier: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16202653&postcount=11

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1380477

 

[hamsjams]

Motherfuckers, they were REBELS. They no longer wanted to be part of the United States. If citizens and lawmakers want to take it down, take it down! Why should citizens of this country be forced to suffer foreign propaganda in their public spaces?

Confederates broke from the country. We're not erasing *our* history, because by the confederates' own actions they no longer were part of our history in the first place. They wanted their own, made their own, and ended their own in unconditional surrender. Time to put the relics of fallen civilization into a museum where it belongs.

 

[Cocaloch]

If citizens and lawmakers want to take it down, take it down!

Did you read the OP? The problem here is the opposite. Citizens and Lawmakers do not want to take it down, even though it should be taken down regardless of what the majority of Alabamians (?) think.

 

[mreddie]

They fucking lost.

 

[LumpOfCole]

The correct response to this is to ninja-attach additions and plaques all over the existing Confederate monuments in the state that highlight the suffering of slaves under Confederate rule and the surrender of tattered Confederates to a victorious Union.

After all, they'll now be illegal to take down.

 

[Kraftwerk]

Question from a Canadian;

Why do I always hear people saying Florida Is the worst, but most Florida news articles seem to be wacky and just bizzare.

But whenever I read something about Alabama, it's just seething with pure evil and hatred.

 

[Lonestar]

The correct response to this is to ninja-install statues and plaques all over the state that highlight the suffering of slaves under Confederate rule and the surrender of tattered Confederates to a victorious Union.

After all, once those monuments go up, they'll now be illegal to take down.

They wouldn't be older than 40 years old.

 

[hamsjams]

Did you read the OP? The problem here is the opposite. Citizens and Lawmakers do not want to take it down, even though it should be taken down regardless of what the majority of Alabamians (?) think.

I was referencing the other people in the state and country that do want the stuff down.

 

[Cocaloch]

Question from a Canadian;

Why do I always hear people saying Florida Is the worst, but most Florida news articles seem to be wacky and just bizzare.

But whenever I read something about Alabama, it's just seething with pure evil and hatred.

By a large number of metrics Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi are the worst preforming states in the country. Florida just has wacky stories because they are all released publicly.

I meant the other people in the state and country that do want the stuff down.

I'd agree, but that's a fundamentally different argument.

 

[Fuchsdh]

Because Reconstruction was sabotaged in order to woo Southern states back into the fold of regular governance, because white northerners didn't live as black men in the South and realize how desperately total uprooting of its racial ideologies was needed, and considered orderliness preferable.

The Confederacy should have been treated like post-World War 2 Japan, occupied until they agreed to act like non-savages and demonstrated this change would stick. It is one of the great failures in world history of a government to its citizens that this was sabotaged. Fuckin' Johnson!

Given that Johnson was largely continuing the same policies Lincoln was propagating (though I highly doubt Lincoln would have vetoed the 14th), I don't think he was the ultimate reason for the long-term failure of Reconstruction to redress the racial legacy of slavery. Even among the Republicans there wasn't sufficient political will to sustain Reconstruction, especially after Stevens' death. It was a group fumble.

 

[hamsjams]

I'd agree, but that's a fundamentally different argument.

I'm not following. Maybe my first post was poorly constructed.

My argument is that there are two groups of lawmakers and citizens here: one group of assholes who want the monuments to remain and have passed legislature to force that and another group that wants the monuments gone and have been successful in removing some in multiple states. Due to the Confederacy's own actions and intentions monuments to them are symbols of oppression and foreign propaganda, meaning that the first group's reasonings for preemptively legislating against the second group are weak and the second group is in the right and should be favored.

Where is the disagreement?

 

[FStubbs]

Because Reconstruction was sabotaged in order to woo Southern states back into the fold of regular governance, because white northerners didn't live as black men in the South and realize how desperately total uprooting of its racial ideologies was needed, and considered orderliness preferable.

The Confederacy should have been treated like post-World War 2 Japan, occupied until they agreed to act like non-savages and demonstrated this change would stick. It is one of the great failures in world history of a government to its citizens that this was sabotaged. Fuckin' Johnson!

Wouldn't have worked. The South was too racist to its core. Nothing short of completely depopulating the South and giving it entirely to the slaves would have worked. And there were some guys like Hannibal Hamlin that IIRC considered that option.

Note: Depopulation meaning exile, though I think some wanted what first comes to mind.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I guess I'd be OK with this if every one got a huge-ass "TRAITOR" sign next to it.

They can't legislate against that, can they?

 

[Cyan]

The fuck is with these people.

They're delicate snowflakes who need a safe space where they can look at all their participation trophies.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Gotta protect those monuments to racist traitors

 

[RPGCrazied]

Alabama, stopped right there. All you need to know really.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

Great, memorialize traitors.

Sigh.

 

[KeyBladerXIII]

Well, we were gonna put them in museums for education, but now we'll just destroy them, k?

Tear them down.

 

[Nepenthe]

Great, memorialize traitors.

Sigh.

White conservatives will sell out if it means letting black people how much we're hated.

 

[boiled goose]

Lol.
What about freedom of speech?

Clearly these southern racists prefer slavery and treason than the constitution.

 

[Ganhyun]

I saw a news story today about a history museum here in Georgia that had a bunch of Union and Confederate stuff that closed down. The museum claimed it was due to the county commissioner trying to force them to take down any and all Confederate flags at the museum.

edit: link to the story for reference.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/national-...es-after-feud-over-confederate-spat/526918168

 

[boiled goose]

I saw a news story today about a history museum here in Georgia that had a bunch of Union and Confederate stuff that closed down. The museum claimed it was due to the county commissioner trying to force them to take down any and all Confederate flags at the museum.

Link please.

 

[reKon]

"End the wave of political correctness"........

Fucking racists man. Move this shit to museums where they belong. Your heritage is seeped in fucking racism you fucking idiots.

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[Zolo]

So much for county rights.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Wouldn't have worked. The South was too racist to its core. Nothing short of completely depopulating the South and giving it entirely to the slaves would have worked. And there were some guys like Hannibal Hamlin that IIRC considered that option.

Note: Depopulation meaning exile, though I think some wanted what first comes to mind.

It was a generational project, could potentially have worked with 2-3 decades of continuous occupation, vigorous restriction of organizations like the Klan, and seeding of abolitionist Northerners into the populace, but the political will simply was not there as healing the country was seen as more important.

Shame, as it allowed the ridiculous "Lost Cause" narrative to solidify into 140 subsequent years of varying levels of awful for the South's citizens of color, an ethos that now appears to be metastasizing into the entirety of rural America.

 

[dpunk3]

”Where does it end? Are all parts of American history subject to purging, until every Ivy League professor is satisfied and the American story has been re-written as nothing but a complete fraud and a betrayal of our founding values of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?" Allen said.

As long as you are a straight white male.

Seriously, a betrayal? Not celebrating historic racism is PROMOTING our values of life and liberty for all regardless of who you are and happiness for those who want and work for it in equal measure.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

I've seen posts circulating on Facebook on since Confederate staues are being removed, MLK statues should as well.

Where do people even begin to find that a suitable comparison?

 

[The Sum of Zero]

I've seen posts circulating on Facebook on since Confederate staues are being removed, MLK statues should as well.

Where do people even begin to find that a suitable comparison?

Majority of people here are idiots.

 

[UltraMagnanimous]

Maybe instead of removing them they can add a pink tutu and red nose to all of these monuments?

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

I've seen posts circulating on Facebook on since Confederate staues are being removed, MLK statues should as well.

Where do people even begin to find that a suitable comparison?

Same people who think they're being clever when they say "Why isn't there a STRAIGHT pride parade?"

 

[ArkkAngel007]

Majority of people here are idiots.

It's just going to be an interesting moment when I look upon Fort Sumter for the first time and wonder how people didn't learn anything at all from that war.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

I've seen posts circulating on Facebook on since Confederate staues are being removed, MLK statues should as well.

Where do people even begin to find that a suitable comparison?

Facebook really need a security feature that auto-deactivates accounts when they click "Post" on dumb shit like this.

 

[geomon]

One man and a truck can make all the difference.

 

[TheCochese]

Facebook really need a security feature that auto-deactivates accounts when they click "Post" on dumb shit like this.

Or simply actually taking profile complaints seriously. I don't think I've seen them lift one finger about abusive accounts. They don't fucking care.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

One man and a truck can make all the difference.

I really do hope someone does something, but the outrage would be greater than when Hilary murdered innocents with her bare hands in BenjaminGossy

 

[wenis]

The fuck is with these people.

big fans of slavery. sad to see it go.

 

[FyreWulff]

not even surprised it specifically protects all the ones put up as a response to the Civil Rights Movement

 

[Korigama]

”Where does it end? Are all parts of American history subject to purging, until every Ivy League professor is satisfied and the American story has been re-written as nothing but a complete fraud and a betrayal of our founding values of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?" Allen said.

So everything that the Confederacy embodied, then?

Pathetic clinging to a pathetic legacy.

 

[geomon]

I really do hope someone does something, but the outrage would be greater than when Hilary murdered innocents with her bare hands in BenjaminGossy

It worked for Bree Newsome

 

[Sianos]

I've seen posts circulating on Facebook on since Confederate staues are being removed, MLK statues should as well.

Where do people even begin to find that a suitable comparison?

The simple answer is that they genuinely see it as a fair parallel: they "disapprove" of civil rights just as we "disapprove" of slavery.

Or in even simpler terms, they're just straight up racist. And the media can pontificate all it likes about why they are, but it doesn't retroactive change the words they say.

 

[Raptor2155]

I've seen posts circulating on Facebook on since Confederate staues are being removed, MLK statues should as well.

Where do people even begin to find that a suitable comparison?

Being rascist is usually the starting point. People like that view black people as like the opposing side or something. If they start "giving in" to their demands, they'll want more! You know, being treated like human beings.

So, it has to be a give and take. They always have to have the upper hand. Power is incredibly hard to give up.

And Alabama, once again, on the wrong side of history. Fuck that state.

Civil Rights "era" wasn't really that long ago.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Racists going out of their way to prove how big of snowflakes they are about their racist memorabilia and FREEDOM. School by me just renamed one of the buildings on campus after finding out the guy was a big segregationist. Hope the wave continues.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

What's funny about this snowflake talk is that these people have convinced themselves that they're the tough patriots protecting this country from snowflakes. The mental gymnastics are really impressive.

It worked for Bree Newsome

I had to look this up. That is quite badass.

 

[Melkezadek]

I've seen posts circulating on Facebook on since Confederate staues are being removed, MLK statues should as well.

Where do people even begin to find that a suitable comparison?

The fact that they use MLK statues as their counter argument is pretty telling.

Nothing to do with race, though. Fucking morons.

 

[wesleyshark]

"We hate blacks" - Alabama officials

 

[Vincent Alexander]

The fact that they use MLK statues as their counter argument is pretty telling.

Nothing to do with race, though. Fucking morons.

That is a pretty damn good point. Their counter argument---if they are going to continue down the bullshit line of 'history is important and that is all this is'---probably shouldn't utilize MLK when they're trying to pretend this has nothing to do with race.

 

[Sunset Samurai]

"We hate blacks" - Alabama officials

I live in Al and This is pretty much every red neck cop when I pass through a road block and they cant find nothing on me.

 

[ArkkAngel007]

The fact that they use MLK statues as their counter argument is pretty telling.

Nothing to do with race, though. Fucking morons.

I certainly understand why people are posting it and where that part is coming from.

I guess I just can't comprehend where Civil Rights leader vs failed rebellion (especially from folks who a re such self-preservation Patriots to this country) makes sense.