After all, the Xbox One offers thousands of Dollars of value.
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Albert Penello puts dGPU Xbox One rumor to rest
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After all, the Xbox One offers thousands of Dollars of value.
That's my interpretation of the article on Eurogamer: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-how-the-crew-was-ported-to-playstation-4
Reading over it, it seems it's a Leadbetter assumption.
lostsouldier
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Okay, I totally understand that. Im satisfied.
I suppose we wont really have an understanding on how much the power gap matters for at least a couple years. That being said, Deep Down and Infamous SS are noticeably better looking than any of the announced X1 titles, visually speaking. Those games have the same effect Fight Night and Ghost Recon did last generation. That "holy shit this is the next level!" feeling.
PopcornMegaphone
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lol I love the jilted lover posts too. I can't imagine being that emotional invested in gaming devices.
Really? I just take the first I see and be done with it. I've never tasted a bottled water that I'd say: Man this is some quality ass water right here.
Not saying there isn't a difference.
lol, I can't help but be passionate about my favorite hobby. I just find it baffling as to why MS can't shift the focus to talking about the games and services instead of power battles and specs.
Andvary
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I don't think we've seen enough of Deep Down to say it's noticeable better looking than any of the announced Xbone titles.
That little bit of ustream or niconico footage we got a day ago certainly isn't enough to make a statement either way.
(And gameplay to gameplay should be the comparison. Or in-engine real-time to in-engine realtime.)
Yep if I start typing all the things they are doing wrong with PR it will be one huge ass essay. It boggles the mind really.
anexanhume
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The problem is that you made a technical claim (power difference isn't true), without providing a technical explanation.
There are GPU inefficiencies, yet no data to support this. Directly contradicted by taking time to look at a graph of SLI/crossfire scaling.
You can add the RAM bandwidths. No explanation of a scenario where all the bandwidth can be used at once.
Your programmers are competent, yet no explanation of why they're better than PS4 programmers. Moreover, Xbox programmers were never accused of incompetence.
The problem is that you wanted to come in and dispute technical claims with conclusions and no data that led to those conclusions.
Insane Metal
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Damn, this discussion is so ugly 
Can't we all just get along and be happy playing our games?
Can't we all just get along and be happy playing our games?
2dshmuplover
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Yeah of course there will always be other variables, but let's be honest here, looking at first party studios; neither Evolution, Guerilla or Sucker Punch are amateur programmers, they created some visually outstanding games on PS3 and really made the tech shine. I'm not saying their latest games don't look great because they do but not 50% better than X1 exclusive line up, nothing like imo. I understand there is an element of subjectivity there but I think if people are being honest with themselves they can see that.
The tools and optimisations are all part of this equation, an area MS feel confident they have Sony beat.
qa_engineer
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Andronicus
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im still waiting for him to say "oh...that bandwidth thing doesn't really work like that my bad..."
Half Life 3 confirmed.
To be fair, they have been talking about games. And showing games, and allowing people to play their games. They are only really discussing specs on these internet forums. Their main PR will never touch spec battles.
And they have been talking about their services. In fact, they revealed their system speaking about their services.
I believe this is now 5 posts from you narrowly focused on this. After nearly each one, Albert has posted a response that indicated he is reading posts that follow his. Yet he hasn't specifically answered you (nor many other specific criticisms/questions that have been brought up). I find your determination hilarious, but I'm starting to become concerned for your well being. It's time to take the hint, fellow gaffer.
slicedmass
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I went and talked to my people, they confirmed to me $500 is less than $400. I trust what they are saying because they are the professionals, the 25% more expensive claims just aren't true.
qa_engineer
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Damn, this discussion is so ugly
Can't we all just get along and be happy playing our games?
This is what sets GAF apart from the n4gs and gamefaqs. Its scary and I need an adult.
Fair enough on the point that you've made other observations throughout the thread, but that doesn't change what the two posts I've quoted so far said. Again, those thoughts were unnecessary, and I stand by that they were only put there for the sake of garnering a feeling of superiority over those continuing in the debates; Even if that really wasn't your intent, I don't see any other way to interpret them.
On that note, I do apologize for the tone I used in my initial reply.
I would argue that the thread's pace is primarily due to the continued feedback from a direct MS representative which intensely fuels the already contentious on-going debates on the difference in graphical capabilities between the hardware, what the developers will actually end up doing with said power, etc.
Have you seen WaterFall?
Syphon Filter
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how do you know it happened and how will they have power to make that decision?
Nastrodamous
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these microsoft post have really got my thinking about just going to playstation. I dont care about the power of the systems, but the constant trolling they are doing is very annoying.
Well I think this says all that needs to be said. There is no way you can justify in any way the higher price point and being a weaker system. So like everything else we fall back to how amazing kinect is or will end up being. A lot of us on here(not all, but a lot) do not care what so ever about the camera and don't want it. So that extra 100 dollars is going to be a really HARD sell. Titanfall isn't enough (for me) sorry.
You also said this:
So a meager 6% GPU boost will net you a few FPS increase in real world huh?
1) A PR guy trying to sell us on his console
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2) A known dev (one that worked on an 360 exclusive game no less) who has no interest at all in which platform has the beefier hardware
I know who I trust more.
Don't feel singled out hawk2025, it's not you.
I've been ignored by Albert since July when he first said the machine with the weaker specs can end up more powerful.
By refusing certification if you don't meet the requirements.
Interesting article regardless
Agree with this so damn much. I liked it better when MS was downplaying the importance of specs and they were right to a certain degree.
Nah, their scrambling to make their precious box look better. Ps4 is obviously the stronger console and it will show more and more as time goes on. I will not believe those liers at Microsoft.
Jack Torrance
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But it is, all you have done to try and refute it is to make a bunch of wildly inaccurate statements about scaling of graphical processing and adding RAM bandwidth (which is like claiming that because you have a speed boat and a large slow boat that the speed boat somehow can transfer 100 people at a time just because the large boat can!)
Quote
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Haha, so good.
Syphon Filter
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yea but isnt that their loss?
You are right, I am being insufferable with this. It's time to give up
No sarcasm, by the way -- you are right, and thanks for pointing it out.
AustinFelix
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So the experts you asked said to add the memory bandwidths together to give us that bus speed ?
Insane Metal
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Ha!
I mean, the questions I see here... and Penello trying to answer.... Idk, it doesn't seem fair. If they have a weaker system, there's no way he'll just come here and say "hey, our system is 50% weaker and costs $100 more... but buy our console! It's great!"... there's no way we will know before the consoles are released if the power gap is true or not... there are many aspects involved which we have no idea about... all this debate is pointless... that's just what I mean.
With all these questions and answers and people getting nervous about it, all I can see is that some people might get banned or something like that. And that's not cool :/
Sony is using a very mature CPU compiler (LLVM iirc) and they no doubt have a very good shader compiler for the GPU (based off one from AMD no doubt).
The Avalanche guys said a few months ago the PS4 dev tools are ahead but they are confident Microsoft will catch up. Doesn't sound like they are exactly beating them. Of course we don't know what happened since but there are no reports indicating one has an advantage over the other in this regard.
Pseudo judo
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True. The value of Kinect has not been proven and will only really be determined through daily use and interesting games. I'm getting the Xbox One for the games, pure and simple. If Sony switched it's present and near future line up with X1's and vice versa I'd be getting a PS4. When graphics are clearly comparable, discussions about the difference in power becomes rather pointless. The only question that's worth talking about is "what kind of gaming experiences will I get out of the box".
PS4 will come later when the box has compelling games, it certainly has the power and the developers to see that through and I look forward to seeing the software that will finally make me take the plunge.
2dshmuplover
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Can't say I ever recall a time where MS have embellished the power of their consoles. Neither Xbox or 360 let me down on that front. Looking elsewhere though..
3rdamention
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I would love to hear your thoughts Albert, or Technical Fellow's explanation of this post I quoted. These statements contradict nearly every number/spec breakdown that Technical Fellow shared with you.
This is personally what I would like to see a response too....
And please allow me to help out your PR department a little. 204gb/sec, according to your understanding of the number, actually implies the old clock rate of 800mhz. The new number should be 853 * 128 * 2 (simultaneous read/write per cycle) = 218gb/sec. They can thank me later.
Please do tell us more about Sony's audio chip, or do you actually not know like the rest of us?
You are combining read and write bandwidth again for your side, while using the one-way bandwidth for your competition. Not quite being honest there, are you?[/QUOTE]
I have a question: was that expert someone who worked on the Xbox One? & do he/she work for MS or AMD? if it's MS wouldn't that mean that he only know 1/2 the story because he wouldn't know how good or bad the PS4 preforms with the changes that was made to it's processors?
And even if it's someone from AMD do you think he is going to say "hey man look I'm sorry we made the PS4 chip a lot better than we made your chip" ?
I'm guessing that the expert told you about the enhancements that was made to the Xbox One Chip & letting you know how much better it preforms compared to a off-the-shelf part.
Vox is composed of tears from the Scientology God.
Ha!
I mean, the questions I see here... and Penello trying to answer.... Idk, it doesn't seem fair. If they have a weaker system, there's no way he'll just come here and say "hey, our system is 50% weaker and costs $100 more... but buy our console! It's great!"... there's no way we will know before the consoles are released if the power gap is true or not... there are many aspects involved which we have no idea about... all this debate is pointless... that's just what I mean.
With all these questions and answers and people getting nervous about it, all I can see is that some people might get banned or something like that. And that's not cool :/
Then don't make voodoo math and insult us. Then talk about your strength like Major Nelson did when cornered regarding DRM ........ Tell us " have you seen Titanfall ,end of discussion "
Liers at Microsoft? Lordy. These are just electronics man. If they really wanted to spread fud they would be hitting up the media. Not making one off comments in a gaf thread. I think he's really just trying to engage and participate in the community.
Pseudo judo
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Lol, not even close.
It will happen this gen, 360 had the better multiplats last gen, ps4 will have them this time and I like it. No more garbage multiplats tainting the play station brand.
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