roosnam1980
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I hope we get this guy showing up
Alien Earth Open Spoiler Thread
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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roosnam1980
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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One of favorite scenes from the show
roosnam1980
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dude is human with some synthetic parts
the children are hybrids
timothy olyphant is a synthetic
acc to wiki
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clarky
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Technology in this is in line with the og's vision of what the future might look like.
Like Star wars. its a retro future aesthetic. Didn't you like it in Alien isolation?
IDKFA
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I really hope they don't. The Harvesters are completely different to anything in the AvP universe. They just don't fit in at all.
They're 100% going to try AvP again. Fede Alvarez is certainly up for it. Although he did say that in his mind, the best AvP film would be a stealth trick and just throw a Xenomorph into a Predator film.
"The way I would do it, most likely, if it could be done this way… It's harder to keep secrets online… The best AVP will be the one that you don't know is AVP until the other guy shows up. You think you're watching a Predator movie, and then they land in some place and there are creatures, and fucking hell, it's a Xenomorph. That would get me"
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Maybe Badlands is a secret AvP film?
We'll still get stand alone Alien films. I hope so anyway.
Alex11
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So be it then, maybe they're trying to capitalize with both fanbases. IMO it's risky with the Alien, as I see there's way more resistance from Alien fans.They're 100% going to try AvP again. Fede Alvarez is certainly up for it. Although he did say that in his mind, the best AvP film would be a stealth trick and just throw a Xenomorph into a Predator film.
"The way I would do it, most likely, if it could be done this way… It's harder to keep secrets online… The best AVP will be the one that you don't know is AVP until the other guy shows up. You think you're watching a Predator movie, and then they land in some place and there are creatures, and fucking hell, it's a Xenomorph. That would get me"
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Maybe, but it's obvious it's heavily related from the Weyland-Yutani stuff and the synth.
1K times hope so too.
Melon Husk
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Yeah, escalation. They show the alien too soon. Pacing is random and as I said, modern editing sucks. The ideas in this show are cool but bigger than the dialogue and editing allows for. "Alien" franchise has always been about dumb people but it's done the thriller part and the escalation of horror part really well.
Earth shows us *the* alien too soon. 20 minutes later characters are wondering "are these claw marks?". Yes, we the audience just saw it. The little alien critters were cool but they're ineffective scares when we've seen the big boy like 5 times before. They had a nice cliffhanger moment in episode 2 that could've been an ending but it kept on going. Instead, anticlimactic fade to... butt rock.
And the walking. So much walking in corridors without interesting dialogue to accompany it. So much walking.
Episode 2 was dumb as hell. Faux Zuckerberg saying the dumbest things about how it's not about the money but wanting an equally smart person to talk to? How it's an "intelligence race"? The writers just took modern bs and implanted it into this guy. He's like a 2020s AI hype man and we're supposed to be in the 2120s where AI has plateaued. This isn't "Alien" at all.
I predict I'll rate this show 7.5/10 by the end. Bordering on Prime Video tier content but not that bad. Go watch some Mothership or Alien TTRPG sessions by a bunch of random Alien nerds on Youtube for tighter writing, there are some good ones.
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xrnzaaas
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The pilot episode was promising, but the second episode got worse and worse as time went by. I was expecting this to be something slower, taking more time to reveal xenomorphs and the eggs and it's actually turning into a popcorn flick. having the same guy survive two xeno encounters and then get taken to have a new plot for episode 3.
Also, the net thing wasn't used in the movies, right? It's strange that WY wouldn't rely on the same toy in the future.
Also, the net thing wasn't used in the movies, right? It's strange that WY wouldn't rely on the same toy in the future.
kpopSuperstar
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This was bad, I am shocked that so many in here like it.
- They make immortal androids with kids minds? and then send them on a alien retrival mission while they play and tickel each other on the way there? what a fuck am I watching here.
- Silly trillionare kid is a "free spirit" because he always wear pyjamas and sits sideways on his chair.
- The only character that works is Wendy, everyone else is flat.
- Joe, her brother, after running into the alien that just killed everyone, and seeing the cyborg dragging the alien away, wakes up and starts looking at a baseball like nothing happened.
- Every character doesn't really give a shit about the fucking murder alien and no one is scared or talks about it to the others.
- Unserious and unrealistic tone throughout, like the soldier girl with dreadlocks under her helmet, or the soldiers not sealing off the spaceship or use protective gear.
- The kid androids walking around with Timothy Olyphant like a kindergarden.
- The brother and sister storyline is bad, and they got plot armor.
- They all use walkie talkies that never work when the alien is around so they can never report it.
Characters are badly written, plotholes galore, and characters are unserious so there is almost no tension. This is some low-brow ho-hum trash.
- They make immortal androids with kids minds? and then send them on a alien retrival mission while they play and tickel each other on the way there? what a fuck am I watching here.
- Silly trillionare kid is a "free spirit" because he always wear pyjamas and sits sideways on his chair.
- The only character that works is Wendy, everyone else is flat.
- Joe, her brother, after running into the alien that just killed everyone, and seeing the cyborg dragging the alien away, wakes up and starts looking at a baseball like nothing happened.
- Every character doesn't really give a shit about the fucking murder alien and no one is scared or talks about it to the others.
- Unserious and unrealistic tone throughout, like the soldier girl with dreadlocks under her helmet, or the soldiers not sealing off the spaceship or use protective gear.
- The kid androids walking around with Timothy Olyphant like a kindergarden.
- The brother and sister storyline is bad, and they got plot armor.
- They all use walkie talkies that never work when the alien is around so they can never report it.
Characters are badly written, plotholes galore, and characters are unserious so there is almost no tension. This is some low-brow ho-hum trash.
RCX
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You've put into words what I was feeling about it.
They're kids in what I can only imagine are colossaly expensive synth bodies and their first test is to throw them into the heart of a disaster zone to just see how they get on? Recklessness is one thing but this is utterly insane. How can they not imagine that at least one of them will be damaged or destroyed?
And yep, the brother witnesses multiple horrific alien attacks and doesn't bug the fuck out right then and there? If anything I'd just chill in the murder apartment with the weird party dudes corpses, relatively safe in the knowledge that the alien has no reason to come back here if I just shut the fuck up and keep still for an hour. Then grab the lift and GTFO.
I get the sense that character stupidity is going to be a growing issue. Think I'll still watch it though. The alien operating as a batshit murder machine is at least some fun to watch.
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Ulysses 31
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Oof, seems like there's a lot of modern writing in this show as well(characters stating obvious things, characters telling each other info they already know, lots of walking & talking in hallways, etc.)
MrAnthrope
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We put kids' minds in adult bodies because...why? Make a kid-body synthetic. Then transfer the consciousness into an adult-synth body after maturity. No? Ok. The "boy genius" has a budget. Someone said, earlier in this thread, hopefully the "kids in adult bodies" won't be too annoying. They already are. It's an interesting concept, but ultimately winds up on-screen as actors being goofy to sell the "I'm a child" angle.
Next, in a future with deep-space exploration as a norm, there is no protocol to handle out-of-control vessels and, more importantly, those on collision-courses with major metropolitan centers. Fucking Revenge of the Sith had fire-hose ships, at least. But, ok. The ship has to crash on Earth. They could have at least crashed the thing somewhere more believable, an Earth location to which suspension of disbelief could apply.
Regardless, a spaceship crash-lands downtown. Send emergency medical services? No. Let's send "security services" who are also "search and rescue," apparently...with guns. Time to put on the Spirit Halloween "space marine" costumes. They will save the injured with their pulse rifles. (The show probably blew its money load on sets - those look great. When it came time to spend money on costumes...yikes.)
We have a medic, though! We can help them! If that guy is a combat medic, I'm, as Ash exclaims in Army of Darkness, "a Chinese jet pilot." When's the last time this guy had any type of basic training? But, the Elysium robot told him he has to complete his contract, so I guess they hire anyone and "Security Services" has to work with what it's got. Ok.
What are me missing? Oh! Gratuitous gore. The xenomorph is ripping people in half now? The queen could do that to Bishop because of its size. I mention that bit from Aliens because there seems to be a lot mimicry of the other films without establishing good context first.
On the positive side, the effects and creatures look good and the new "specimens" are neat.
I love the first three Alien films (the restored workprint of 3, not the theatrical release - that needs to be said) and like Prometheus (although the characters in that one behave moronically). I think the first few seasons of Fargo are great. I guess my expectations are too high because I believed this was going to be a homerun - especially given the internet praise.
It's another Romulus.
This is "monkey see, monkey do," aesthetically, which does not a great show make. I want to like this...I really do (the opening exposition card, very Bladerunner-esque, and the Alien-throwback title design sets a great mood to start; as mentioned: the sets and effects are mostly impressive). I go in enthusiastic...and then the stupidity begins and does not cease.
Speculation: They're going to do a flashback episode to show "what went wrong on the ship," given the flash inserts in the first episode (you don't waste budget shooting just inserts given the cost of those effects and sets)...and it will have, as far as I can tell, almost no stakes because the show had to get to Earth quickly given the show's title and, for the most part, the crew is already dead. Not necessarily looking forward to that one.
Hopefully, this ends with them nuking New Siam, not necessarily from orbit.
I'm a masochistic completionist, so I'll suffer through this one until the end. Maybe it will get better.
Next, in a future with deep-space exploration as a norm, there is no protocol to handle out-of-control vessels and, more importantly, those on collision-courses with major metropolitan centers. Fucking Revenge of the Sith had fire-hose ships, at least. But, ok. The ship has to crash on Earth. They could have at least crashed the thing somewhere more believable, an Earth location to which suspension of disbelief could apply.
Regardless, a spaceship crash-lands downtown. Send emergency medical services? No. Let's send "security services" who are also "search and rescue," apparently...with guns. Time to put on the Spirit Halloween "space marine" costumes. They will save the injured with their pulse rifles. (The show probably blew its money load on sets - those look great. When it came time to spend money on costumes...yikes.)
We have a medic, though! We can help them! If that guy is a combat medic, I'm, as Ash exclaims in Army of Darkness, "a Chinese jet pilot." When's the last time this guy had any type of basic training? But, the Elysium robot told him he has to complete his contract, so I guess they hire anyone and "Security Services" has to work with what it's got. Ok.
What are me missing? Oh! Gratuitous gore. The xenomorph is ripping people in half now? The queen could do that to Bishop because of its size. I mention that bit from Aliens because there seems to be a lot mimicry of the other films without establishing good context first.
On the positive side, the effects and creatures look good and the new "specimens" are neat.
I love the first three Alien films (the restored workprint of 3, not the theatrical release - that needs to be said) and like Prometheus (although the characters in that one behave moronically). I think the first few seasons of Fargo are great. I guess my expectations are too high because I believed this was going to be a homerun - especially given the internet praise.
It's another Romulus.
This is "monkey see, monkey do," aesthetically, which does not a great show make. I want to like this...I really do (the opening exposition card, very Bladerunner-esque, and the Alien-throwback title design sets a great mood to start; as mentioned: the sets and effects are mostly impressive). I go in enthusiastic...and then the stupidity begins and does not cease.
Speculation: They're going to do a flashback episode to show "what went wrong on the ship," given the flash inserts in the first episode (you don't waste budget shooting just inserts given the cost of those effects and sets)...and it will have, as far as I can tell, almost no stakes because the show had to get to Earth quickly given the show's title and, for the most part, the crew is already dead. Not necessarily looking forward to that one.
Hopefully, this ends with them nuking New Siam, not necessarily from orbit.
I'm a masochistic completionist, so I'll suffer through this one until the end. Maybe it will get better.
MrAnthrope
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There's some really bad exposition dialogue. The bit in which corporate control as a concept in the show is communicated to the viewer is a stand-out. A crew member is explaining to his son (who looks to be, at youngest, in his late teens) what "the corporations are" because he, I kid you not, "missed social studies." I about fell out of my chair in regard to that one.
EDIT: But who cares? There's a xenomorph!
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Melon Husk
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Couldn't have said it better myself MrAnthrope
This is the only part that I liked in the premise because it's so ridiculous, on par with zany Mothership scenarios. It's something new at least.
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Alex11
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One one hand it pains me this negativity toward the Alien franchise, on the other this was expected, I said I'm going into this show as neutral as possible with no expectations.
But man, I just can't help but agree to almost all the negative points made here, and I'm trying hard to make some excuses for the show, lol.
Yeah, I don't know what's going on with the writing.
But man, I just can't help but agree to almost all the negative points made here, and I'm trying hard to make some excuses for the show, lol.
Yeah, I don't know what's going on with the writing.
MrAnthrope
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Oh, I totally feel the same way. This (Alien) needs a good, fresh start and I actually do hate being pessimistic/overly-critical. Having said that, I'm not coming around on this show until there is something akin to a complete 180. Like, they killed the fucking cat, man. At present, this is Alien: Jump the Shark.
Poppinfresh
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The kid angle is ruining the show for me. It might be OK if it were just Wendy, but the addition of the other kids is just stupid.
So far, Timothy Olyphant's character and the black cyborg are the only two characters I like. Everyone else could get killed in Episode 3, and I'd be perfectly fine with it.
Also, I'm really hoping this entire show doesn't take place on the crashed spaceship and the building it crashed into. Having to deal with Xenomorphs running wild on Earth would be entertaining, but if the contain everything to the ship/building or even the small area around it, the show is going to grow old, fast.
Alex11
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I've arrived at this conclusion as well after this show - not really expecting it to be anything more than what we've seen in these 2 episodes.
Just go in the future a bit, soft-reboot the franchise, fuck, make low-key self-contained back to horror roots movies, just stop fucking around the alien more and more.
They also keep changing the Xeno design (as if this is the actual problem) and IMO for the worst, for me the best design after the OG is the Isolation Xeno.
BTW, Giger is not even credited in this show, lol, that's great.
If they want to change the design, why not make it logical, evolutional. To keep the OG design and go from there, who's to say that was its final evolution. Cameron did it sort of this way, so did Alien 3.
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Grildon Tundy
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Two episodes in. The show isn't perfect, but it's entertaining. I like the weird concepts like the kid consciousness transference, kitty octo-eye, aristocratic dinner party. Even if some of it doesn't make sense, at least it's MEMORABLE when so many other shows just aren't.
And to see this level of visual fidelity, set design, and lighting in a TV show is impressive. Hope it keeps up that production value.
And to see this level of visual fidelity, set design, and lighting in a TV show is impressive. Hope it keeps up that production value.
Lloyd Frontera
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True. I was confused as to how nobody knew a freaking huge spaceship is crashlanding. They have no space radar nor anti-air defense. Some nutjob in a battleship can destroy the whole city and they can't do a thing. lol
FatallyYours
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I'd say the tech is just fine
We have robots in factories now, but we need humans overlooking them in case of errors. Computers and AI doing our work, but humans programming and keeping track.
Also, going off Ash in Alien, not every crew were aware that androids/synths were on board, and Ash and its entire line was recalled/deactivated/upgraded as per Bishop in Aliens, but if left alone, would Ash on his own, once he started to malfunction, be able to fully pilot the ship without any issues? A mixed crew is useful, for one reason or another. Great hosts for Aliens if nothing else
I imagine it's much cheaper to hire humans for labour than an entire crew of synthetics
The computers on board the Maginot are at least 65 years old remember, that ship could be twice that age or older. Possibly like the nostromo before it, maybe it wasn't always a science ship, the nostromo served as a freighter (if I remember correctly) for years before being decommissioned and moved to Wey-Yu for dirt cheap, refitted and sent out to work for as cheap as possible as a hauler. The Maginot could be a super old ship that Wey-Yu bought in auction and sent out to do its work
I've just rewatched Prometheus this evening, that science ship was purpose built around the same time as Alien Earth takes place, and every panel is digital or holographic, but it and the journey cost a trillion dollars (according to vickers), that cost may include David, the life boat, the medical pod and the secret cargo though. Still, no company is spending that amount on every spaceship in its fleet. The nostromo cost 42 million on its own according to Aliens, the refinery and ore in the back would have added much more to its cost
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roosnam1980
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Dice
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I pretty much love everything in this show. I especially love the cyborg guy being an all-business badass, the synth leading the children looking a lot like the dude from the original Bladerunner, and them making sure to showcase how the alien can kill a whole room of people in like 5 seconds if it wants. The only thing I don't like is ending each episode with songs from popular rock groups. That screams FX executive insecurity and they should just let it be its own cool thing instead of trying to boost it with cheap commercialization like that. It is cringe but at least it is only right as the credits roll.
TrueGrime
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I love everything about this show. I swear since Aliens and Alien 3 we've been getting the same boring replicated formula. Directors and writers that touch this franchise have been scared to try something new until now. It feels like Aliens, but the tone is different and I'm very much entertained. This has shot up to my favorites list behind Aliens and Isolation. Finally I can consume some media for this franchise where I feel like I'm not watching the same fucking thing every time with a different title. Praise be to Hawley. 94% on RT deserved.
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AJUMP23
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I like how the Alien is a murder machine, except with the girls brother. Alien just wants to hug that guy.
What good is coating an alien in some sort of flexible container if it can get out in seconds when it wakes up.
Everyone is dumb in this show. I think it is pretty decent but plot holes abound just to make a "cool" scene.
What good is coating an alien in some sort of flexible container if it can get out in seconds when it wakes up.
Everyone is dumb in this show. I think it is pretty decent but plot holes abound just to make a "cool" scene.
RCX
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Another issue I was thinking about: on the ship while the cyborg is using mother, the alien attacks and kills the woman (who is unarmed) but it takes a little time, she's fighting for her life and scraps with it before obviously losing. Very traditional for the franchise.
Then in episode 2 the same alien literally tears apart four well armed marines in less than 2 seconds?!
There's a lot of stuff here that seems to be done to look cool without paying any attention to how it breaks immersion.
On the upside, I'm secretly hoping they show some Working Joes in one of the episodes.
Then in episode 2 the same alien literally tears apart four well armed marines in less than 2 seconds?!
There's a lot of stuff here that seems to be done to look cool without paying any attention to how it breaks immersion.
On the upside, I'm secretly hoping they show some Working Joes in one of the episodes.
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Apart from the novelty of seeing the Alien franchise on the small screen there is little here to hang your hat on story-wise. As others have mentioned the speed / viciousness of the Alien varies from scene to scene with plenty of plot armor for the core cast. The occasional familiar music notes that call out to the movies feel misplaced as the tension hasn't been built up to warrant them. As a fan of the franchise its just about watchable but the search and rescue premise is a bit of a bore.
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spookyfish
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VERY cool scene -- but it kills them all in less than 2 seconds, yet takes forever to get the brother in its grasp, and when it does, it g-o-e-s s-o s-l-o-w-l-y -- so this guy can taze it. Also: The xenomorph would have identified this guy as a threat, and would have killed him too -- except that he ALSO has plot armor.
Loving the carnage, and seeing the specimens do their thing. But -- some of the writing. mmmmkay. EDIT: I realize he's a cyborg, or whatever, so maybe the xeno won't key in on him -- but he's already demonstrated he's a threat.
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roosnam1980
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it also took a while to kill the marine with the bite , the one who was with the medic , brutal kill
Ulysses 31
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And what's the rationale behind sending synths with volatile child minds and no experience to the crash site?
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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And what's the rationale behind sending synths with volatile child minds and no experience to the crash site?
spookyfish
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it also took a while to kill the marine with the bite , the one who was with the medic , brutal kill
I was expecting that, but not expecting THAT, if you understand. I like seeing the xeno run free, even if it does completely break the lore.
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AJUMP23
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Well letting the tension build was a key to the first movie. There is not much tension building in this show. Maybe in the Lab with the eyeball. But for the most part when the alien shows up, everyone that is not a plot device will die.
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