roosnam1980
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i get it , you hate the show
Alien Earth Open Spoiler Thread
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Dr.Morris79
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No
If you know people that would do this in an emergency medical setting, you need to instantly inform someone that they shouldnt be near a table, or people..
It's not the 1700's anymore. And this shows set in the future..
It's pure, unthought out bunk.
Even from my own experience, if you'd of pulled this shit, you'd be out
Okay, it's TV, but can we please go back to having at least semi competent writers. It's actually depressing.
T8SC
Gold Member
Don't spit your dummy out because people have valid opinions and reasoning behind the decisions & actions made in this show. That's like us saying "we get it, you love the show", for your inability to see what the majority of others are seeing & discussing.
roosnam1980
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No
If you know people that would do this in an emergency medical setting, you need to instantly inform someone that they shouldnt be near a table, or people..
It's not the 1700's anymore. And this shows set in the future..
It's pure, unthought out bunk.
Even from my own experience, if you'd of pulled this shit, you'd be out
Okay, it's TV, but can we please go back to having at least semi competent writers. It's actually depressing.
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Toots
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Debatable if you know about Clapton's "Tool stole my 80M$ dying alien laser show setup concept" story
Dr.Morris79
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roosnam1980
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im saying , sometimes people make mistakesYeah?
I bet they still wore a mask though
Dr.Morris79
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Aye, they do, but the ones I the show are not your average. Anyone in that particular situation would be grabbing the PPE
It's fine, its a show. But imagine how much better it would be with even the basic of competence in writing..
I'm just pissed off at the fact they have an awesome I.P, yet again, and it's being shat on, again
I swear, any one of us could write a better show, for half the money
What is going on!
Did I.Q's drop sharply whilst I wasn't away?
TV shows are a fluid medium. I can voice my criticism (because I live in America, not the UK) and hope that the showrunners hear it, rethink their approach, and course correct for season 2 (if there will be one). I LOVE this IP, I have Alien shit all over the place. It is too much to hope for perfection and at least demand basic competence?
There are parts of the show I like, which is why Timothy Olyphant is probably gonna get killed off in ep8 and we will never see what happened to pervy android and his muse.
I don't think its unfair to the show or the intelligence of the positive fans to say that the backwards writing style (we need the ship to crash in a city, ok so we will disable the engines and ignore the fact that any kind of orbital, much less interstellar speed ship would just vaporize into a multi megaton nuclear explosion upon hitting atmo...etc) highlights the weakness in the writing staff because they just want certain events to happen and will shoehorn characters into MAKING them happen, no matter how silly. They spend far too much time on dreamy sequences instead of what should have been the horrifying realization that their pod system is compromised and the saboteur has been sneaking in an out right under their noses. This COULD have led to a dramatic scene between the doctor and the security officer, presumably two folks with some level of joint responsibility for the welfare of the cryosleepers and protection from abuse (which we DO see, but no one seems to care).
The way the show it written robs almost every scene of tension and thrills because the characters are basically saying "gee, look at that big shark in the water, let me jump in with it".
Ultimately I think the show is just overstuffed. Too many concepts, too many aliens, too many underbaked characters. It's gone waaaaay beyond "ambitious" into being foolhardy. And the sad thing is that its 10000000% the fault of the writers, as virtually EVERYTHING else, maybe some dodgy human in an alien suit running aside and the choices of music, has been top notch. They clearly had the money, the time, and the talent to make a gripping, visceral, intense horror experience fit for Alien and with 8 eps enough space to explore 1, maybe 2 other concepts like the eye-lien and human consciousness transferance. But they are throwing in so much other stuff on top its like anti-synergy.
RCX
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It presents itself as high concept, upscale, thoughtful sci-fi. It invites criticism based on its detail and commitment to being authentic.Aye, they do, but the ones I the show are not your average. Anyone in that particular situation would be grabbing the PPE
It's fine, its a show. But imagine how much better it would be with even the basic of competence in writing..
I'm just pissed off at the fact they have an awesome I.P, yet again, and it's being shat on, again
I swear, any one of us could write a better show, for half the money
What is going on!
Did I.Q's drop sharply whilst I wasn't away?
Then it populates its world with unbelievable morons and people defend it by telling you that you're "overthinking" it.
It's absolute trash that has no business being spoken in the same breath as the first two movies. Those are art and entertainment combined beautifully. This is a burning turd that thinks its a Rembrandt.
You can absolutely enjoy something thats shite. I am. I'm really having fun watching and rolling my eyes at the next dumb thing it does each week. But its not a good example of cinema by any objective measure.
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roosnam1980
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Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Episode 5. This is the most unprofessional, childish and idiotic crew I've ever seen in scifi. They were even more dysfunctional than the Farscape characters. It's like some bizarro universe to the original Alien movie. I mean, almost parody levels. Honestly, most of them deserved to die and it took away any sense of tension. The younger mechanic had no place on a mission like that, he was on the mental level of a ten-year old.
The creatures getting loose in the lab were just the result of pure laziness and incompetence.
I have nothing against autistic people, but I'm a bit tired of the autistic comic relief character that seems to be in many shows nowadays.
The creatures getting loose in the lab were just the result of pure laziness and incompetence.
I have nothing against autistic people, but I'm a bit tired of the autistic comic relief character that seems to be in many shows nowadays.
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March Climber
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As a few others online have stated, the sabotuer should have been the one to plant the seeds that would cause the aliens to escape and wreak havoc.
I think they incorrectly decided to subvert expectations by making the crew the actual fault behind it all.
The only rationalization I can give is an in-universe reasoning that these guys were all a bit sloppy because their top priority was a good paycheck, which is why Morrow kept holding it over them.
T8SC
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Spyxos
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What I find strange is that every alien race can simply use humans as hosts. With Xenomorphs, it's clear, we've known that for a long time. But the fact that everyone can do it without any problems was too much for me.
roosnam1980
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Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
1. That would have been more satisfying than what we got and would have been more aligned with the themes of greed in the Alien universe.
2. I hate writers who think they are clever.
3. Unfortunately that was the same priority the Nostromo crew had and they were still highly skilled and competent. But yeah, it's basically the only rationalization one can have with this episode. They were like drunk and high teenagers working on McDonalds.
roosnam1980
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meat is meat. I'm ok with handwaving protein utilization, chemical composition, atmospheric pressure differences, oxygen requirements, just like I'm ok with the magic artificial gravity. Some stuff is inherent in the genre and accepted work-arounds to difficult shooting (golf clap to The Expanse for tackling these things).
Of course we know nothing about where these things came from. All from the same planet? Off different ones? Are they all native to that planet? What else was there?
I can only assume these are just a sampling of creatures, gained mostly from the bodies of crew members who suffered their attacks, other than the xeno eggs, which maybe were gathered without anyone knowing about the lifecycle as seems to be the case. Though they seem to have no knowledge of the eye-liens capabilities or the leech/roach, so I guess they might have just scooped up shit with no period of observation.
But they also have a population of lab rats (unless those are infesting the ship, hence the need for a cat on all these ships) so clearly they anticipated a need for them.
I'm not sure how the eye-lien is even controlling its host. Is the host dead (seems to be the case)? Being physically controlled only, like a marionette (seems to be at least partially the case) or is it firing impulses into the brain? Can it learn from the host? I at least hope someone has a bible with clear answers to these questions, but I suspect the writers are just winging it for each scene, leading to inconsistencies.
Grildon Tundy
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Some of you guys, Jason10mm in particular, have far sharper minds when noticing the details that are off than I do. The egregious stuff I notice (idiot sex & dead crew members lol boy at the start of ep 5), but a lot of it just feels "off" whereas Alien and Aliens feel like believable worlds. And I can't put my finger on why.
What I'm saying is I appreciate you putting concrete words to a vibe.
What I'm saying is I appreciate you putting concrete words to a vibe.
RCX
Member
Yep, it fucking sucks so much doesn't it? Keep watching and you'll find the entertainment lies in noticing the galaxy-sized plot holes in every episode.
They told the crew members that sex wasn't allowed. For 65 years.
2 possibilities:
Weyland Yutani is vicious beyond compare and enforces policies that will be materially detrimental to their major goals
or
The writers of this show are utterly brain damaged and have never spoken to any actual human beings and therefore have no idea what drives normal people.
I'll let everyone decide which is more likely.
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roosnam1980
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dude is like the digital foundry of alien verse.
I was REALLY hoping they would cut to some misshapen sex-bot in a closet and that fine-ass co-pilot just says "ewwwwww" while the engineers all grin excitedlyYep, it fucking sucks so much doesn't it? Keep watching and you'll find the entertainment lies in noticing the galaxy-sized plot holes in every episode.
They told the crew members that sex wasn't allowed. For 65 years.
2 possibilities:
Weyland Yutani is vicious beyond compare and enforces policies that will be materially detrimental to their major goals
or
The writers of this show are utterly brain damaged and have never spoken to any actual human beings and therefore have no idea what drives normal people.
I'll let everyone decide which is more likely.
I have a disgustingly large amount of alien stuff, particularly some of the more thoughtful game products of the 80s/90's (Leading Edge Games, etc) where some really nerdy well educated people spent a LOT of time sussing out Alien biology and fleshing out the universe to have it make a bit of sense.
Anyway, its a common thing with TV these days, the writing just doesn't concern itself with a scientific, linear flow, it's more about emotional beats, lots and lots of character drama, they just don't think a rational focus would sell. Maybe they are right, though virtually all of the really successful sci-fi properties stem from a source where there was a lot of thought put into the world building. They have this in Alien:Earth, if they would just choose to use it. But they also gotta respect the audience's intelligence.
The show is at least visceral and gory. I gotta respect that on Hulu. I expect some of these hybrid kids to devolve into really degenerate self-abusive freaks as well, if they get more seasons to explore them.
Listening to the A:E podcasts is kinda like listening to the House of the DRagon ones. The showrunners/writers can express their goals and ideas and they sound GREAT, but its the details of the scenes that just fall to shit and they never really address that stuff. Those podcasts are just extended marketing though, so I take them with some salt.
Revolutionary
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Honestly I thought it would have been kinda cool if it managed to burrow into the eye sockets that xenomorphs used to have inside their domes, but then I remembered that they've gotten rid of that aspect of xenomorph biology after the original Alien.To sweeten a bit the sorrow of us Alien big fans.
Instead, we get the latest spinoff of the Alien franchise:
Alien vs Michael Smiley
and I'll always think of Spaced when I see that man
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Alex11
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Honestly I thought it would have been kinda cool if it managed to burrow into the eye sockets that xenomorphs used to have inside their domes, but then I remembered that they've gotten rid of that aspect of xenomorph biology after the original Alien.
Instead, we get the latest spinoff of the Alien franchise:
Michael Smiley vs Alien
and I'll never not think of Spaced when I see that man
They've gotten rid of many things established in Alien, but the eye thing, IDK, I'm at 50/50 here. If we're to look at this logically with the DNA and how it inherits characteristics from the host, it should have eyes, just well hidden and the dome as protection.
I wouldn't mind - very much, lol - if the eyeball would have done that or some sort of fusion, you know, the xeno in the end managing to make the eyeball a part of it, extra intelligence and all.
But yeah this comical amateurish fight - lol, fight - we got is embarrassing.
Melon Husk
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Okay, talk of Episode 5 dragged me back in.
Fantastic episode! It's like episode 1 but done better. Editing, pacing, technically just excellent. Remake of the Nostromo incident (with dumber crew). But why the hell was this showed out of order?? It makes no narrative sense as a flashback episode. It's like in the bad old days when networks would mess up and air episodes in the wrong order.
And what's with the dad rock seriously. And The Ink Spots? That's a Fallout thing. Nobody's heard of The Ink Spots outside of Fallout. It's very specifically a Fallout thing. Licensing that music for Alien makes no sense.
Fantastic episode! It's like episode 1 but done better. Editing, pacing, technically just excellent. Remake of the Nostromo incident (with dumber crew). But why the hell was this showed out of order?? It makes no narrative sense as a flashback episode. It's like in the bad old days when networks would mess up and air episodes in the wrong order.
And what's with the dad rock seriously. And The Ink Spots? That's a Fallout thing. Nobody's heard of The Ink Spots outside of Fallout. It's very specifically a Fallout thing. Licensing that music for Alien makes no sense.
Gaining stress is the main enemy in the tabletop version, not monsters. This mechanic alone pretty much generates authentic variations of the original movie.
This one. Writers these days are very... niche kind of people with specific interests, and seem to only be able to write about what they know.
I was REALLY hoping they would cut to some misshapen sex-bot in a closet and that fine-ass co-pilot just says "ewwwwww" while the engineers all grin excitedly
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Romulus
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The 5th episode could have been 2-3 slow burn build ups that would have been unforgettable.
The characters, setting, acting, and in some cases the story set the groundwork for something legendary, but the pacing and machine gun exposition is amateurish.
The writers are too inexperienced to understand what needs to be cut. They're fanboying over this Alien stew with too many ingredients and they don't understand the power of things unsaid and slow burn. You can even have dopamine scenes everywhere, but cut the shit grenade of concepts.
Hell I even like many of the concepts but half baking them while gear changing and story whiplash?
If i could describe this, it feels like AI directing/writing it in a few years from now. Advanced in some ways with human like concepts and a massive budget but no restraint, just wild "what if we did this too!!" while trying to check boxes.
This definitely feels like writers and producers were hired based on meeting each other at parties versus scrutiny and proven skill.
The characters, setting, acting, and in some cases the story set the groundwork for something legendary, but the pacing and machine gun exposition is amateurish.
The writers are too inexperienced to understand what needs to be cut. They're fanboying over this Alien stew with too many ingredients and they don't understand the power of things unsaid and slow burn. You can even have dopamine scenes everywhere, but cut the shit grenade of concepts.
Hell I even like many of the concepts but half baking them while gear changing and story whiplash?
If i could describe this, it feels like AI directing/writing it in a few years from now. Advanced in some ways with human like concepts and a massive budget but no restraint, just wild "what if we did this too!!" while trying to check boxes.
This definitely feels like writers and producers were hired based on meeting each other at parties versus scrutiny and proven skill.
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Alex11
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I've read this was an on-and-off project, something like he was refused a bunch of times.
In 2019 I think, they - then 20th Century Fox - initially wanted to keep the Alien franchise exclusively theatrical, only after the Disney buy it was a sure go.
So maybe the story isn't even what it once was, when Disney got their hands in, I'm sure a bunch of things were written in an off to serve their views.
Could be, and yeah, I can only imagine the exec 'input' on a project like this. Fragments and echoes of previous plots linger, roles get collapsed or expanded.
Still, it doesn't excuse that the xenomorph is handled so gracelessly in its own show.
I have a horrible fear the season is gonna end with Wendy "translating" alien speech into a "We are coming, we are coming for YOU!" type cliffhanger.
Ulysses 31
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poppabk
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Aliens had the marines travel across space on a multi-billion warship with nuclear missiles on board. Then the entire crew left that ship in orbit unmanned so they could travel to a hostile planet. They have an extra dropship but apparently having an extra pilot to fly it would be too much, along with having crew on their warship.It presents itself as high concept, upscale, thoughtful sci-fi. It invites criticism based on its detail and commitment to being authentic.
Then it populates its world with unbelievable morons and people defend it by telling you that you're "overthinking" it.
It's absolute trash that has no business being spoken in the same breath as the first two movies. Those are art and entertainment combined beautifully. This is a burning turd that thinks its a Rembrandt.
You can absolutely enjoy something thats shite. I am. I'm really having fun watching and rolling my eyes at the next dumb thing it does each week. But its not a good example of cinema by any objective measure.
Then instead of regrouping and rearming with apropriate weapons the marines proceed in to an Alien nest armed literally with 'harsh language'.
Then in the middle of a full on cluster fuck massacre - the grizzled sergeant instead of taking charge is ponderously trying to get technical instructions on how to retreat.
Don't get me started on the marines - with technical plans in hand managing to miss the roof or how the Aliens kindly stop moving so Hicks can take a look.
If you want to find fault - Aliens is a terrible movie with some terrible writing. But it isnt a terrible movie because you just accept the giant holes in the plot because it makes the whole thing work and gives us great lines like the harsh language or 'all after incinerators' or the tension of Hicks looking up in to the ceiling and then the great firefight afterwards.
Heh heh, the best part was the "If I were to go to sleep for 65 years when I woke up I ciuldn't communicate with anyone because I don't speak arabic." followed by a bunch of nervous laughter and the comment "The police are gonna come knocking on your door, oh wait, you are not in ireland right now"
The dystopia is real.
The 65 year trip thing is really bugging me more and more, because it was so poorly thought out. The ONLY real explanation, and the engineer guy briefly touched on it, is that these space travelers were essentially stuck doing this, forever, and became a sort of separate culture. They -could- have drawn from Haldemans The Forever War on how this might look but of course that would imply the writers were educated in this genre beyond just watching movies.
Sadly, these types of military fuck-ups happen in real life. The brass send troops DELIBERATELY into situations with inappropriate gear, overly restrictive rules of engagement, known ambush areas, inadequate support, etc. All of that rings true in Aliens, especially if the force was sent with the intent for it to fail.
Yeah, the only really bizarre thing was EVERYONE going down in just one drop ship, but I guess the explanation is sending humans is the most expensive part so they are highly selective (which belies the MASSIVE size of these ships) but it is what it is.
Ulysses 31
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Yeah that part can indeed be questionable but space pirates/raiders don't seem to be a thing yet in that era. They were sent out to check why the colony isn't responding. Had they'd know about the swarm of hostiles I doubt they'd used the same approach tactics.
That's Gorman being retarded and showing his inexperience which was setup earlier in the movie. One of the soldiers does question those orders and several others disobey and pull out shots guns and bullet ammo for their weapons as characters with survival instincts would in that situation.
I don't think that comes anywhere near the stupidity of armed soldiers just standing there gaping for seconds while an Alien approaches them or the Alien jumping down next to its target and then attack it instead of on like in AE.
Ehm, the Aliens are crawling slowly through the space in the roof, even when Hicks takes a peek. Ripley did comment that maybe the Aliens found an opening not in the plans.
I don't think Aliens is anywhere near perfect either but calling it terrible is a bit hyperbolic. The Aliens finding a way in doesn't seem a plot hole to me and more like a sign they have higher intelligence than initially given credit for("How can they cut the power, they're animals").
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MSduderino
Banned
I'm enjoying it and liked this episode the most, but it does throw all ideas against the wall. The incompetence of the workers makes sense to me because of what a horrible deal it is to work on one of these ships, wasting 65+ years of life and having a low chance of survival, low class, inexperienced workers would be the only people Weylan Yutani could hire for these missions. I felt like they hinted at this a bit even.
Does it live up to the first two movies? Probably not, but it doesn't need to. I don't know what everyone was expecting and the number of new parasites is a bit much, but I'd rather they reached and experimented than held back with ideas and the newbies work for me. Just wish we had better names for them. Is the eye just "the eye"?
Does it live up to the first two movies? Probably not, but it doesn't need to. I don't know what everyone was expecting and the number of new parasites is a bit much, but I'd rather they reached and experimented than held back with ideas and the newbies work for me. Just wish we had better names for them. Is the eye just "the eye"?
MrTroubleMaker
Gold Member
No it doesn't, these vessels and research expeditions are trillions of dollars. The corporations would not hire dumb dumbs to do it (Alien 1 crew was not dumb). They are getting well paid. It's just poor writing to get these people in situations with the aliens.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Thats what I mean though, Aliens is an awesome movie and we allow it its weird plot points and questionable character decisions because we want the characters to end up in a fucked up situation and sometimes its just needed for the pacing of the movie.
Another classic - the Predator shoots the future governor of Minnesota - blows a whole right through his chest, he shoots the future Governor of California - its a mild boo boo, completely healed within minutes.
I think some people just need to take a step back and try and enjoy the show before trying to pick it apart.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
While I prefer eyelien I think the most formal and used name is Ocellus for it.
The tick/Species 19 which looks like some kind of worm with legs I like to call penis fish, because it looks like a penis fish with legs.
Penis fish in news:
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Ulysses 31
Member
I think it comes down to building up enough good will, we can more easily overlook some (minor) flaws if the movie was consistently good enough at other points.
But if a movie relies on several huge coincidences and people making dumb decisions then for it makes it harder to care for the characters or the story being told.
Sonik
Gold Member
Whenever Noah Hawley, the creator of the show, directs an episode it's fucking perfect, like a mini Alien movie, the man gets the atmosphere perfectly, whenever that fucking idiot Dana Gonzalez directs it, it's like an Alien vs Predator spinoff show.
The show is very inconsistent in its quality but despite that I like even the b-movie episodes because they're written competently. I like the show a lot, not gonna lie
The show is very inconsistent in its quality but despite that I like even the b-movie episodes because they're written competently. I like the show a lot, not gonna lie
Well, Dana directed the last 2 eps of the season, so good luck
He's worked at lot with Noah before on Legion and Fargo, so you'd think they would be in lock step.
Ep5 was Noah and that had some of the silliest alien action yet, this show just can't make the xeno feel threatening beyond a slow grin and hiss with a little slimy drool. It doesn't stalk or chase very well despite a lot of effort into that suit.
Alex11
Gold Member
Oh yeah, I completely agree.
You may be spot on, "can't wait" for ep 6 where she pets it again and they become BFFs.
Sonik
Gold Member
Well, Dana directed the last 2 eps of the season, so good luck
He's worked at lot with Noah before on Legion and Fargo, so you'd think they would be in lock step.
Ep5 was Noah and that had some of the silliest alien action yet, this show just can't make the xeno feel threatening beyond a slow grin and hiss with a little slimy drool. It doesn't stalk or chase very well despite a lot of effort into that suit.
I don't mind the show being kind of silly, sure the xenomorphs a couple of times looked like a dude in a suit, and the characters sometimes made very stupid decisions but the original trilogy wasn't perfect either on these. The atmosphere in the fifth episode was spot on, the characters interesting enough and the action pretty fucking good, it really felt like a mini Alien movie
Tbh the xenomorphs haven't felt scary or threatening to me since Aliens where they were getting killed by the dozens, it's not why I'm still interested in the franchise, the world, the atmosphere and all the horror elements derived from the desperate for the characters situations the xenomorph creates are much more interesting to me
edit: My God, you're right, the last 2 episodes are directed by Gonzalez. FUCK
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Pretty sure the man in a suit look is deliberate, they could easily go full cgi.
Sonik
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Which is why I don't even dare to complain about it, I'll take the man in the suit and any other practical effects over the completely unrealistic and incompetently made Hollywood CGI of the last few years. The man in the suit might move a little unrealistically but at least the show doesn't feel like a fucking videogame
MSduderino
Banned
Giving up 65 years to leave everyone you know behind is giving up something that is priceless. You wouldn't make that decision unless you lived a desperate life. There's dialogue where one worker talks about getting back to his wife, while the older worker reminds him his wife will be 65 years older than him. It would be basically impossible to find top tier talent for these expeditions, not because you couldn't pay them enough, but because of the other sacrifices of time/friends/family only relatively destitute people might actually agree to.
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