OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
It's been a while. Why do the angels only attack Japan? That specific part of Japan no less where they have a giant fortress underground.
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All three Evangelion Rebuild Movies are coming to Amazon Prime on August 13th
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The angels are trying to make contact with Adam, which they think is in the giant underground fortress.
This is all way, way past caring about making sense.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It is, and it makes me wonder if the intended message of the movie is to say that all this scifi bullshit nonsense is ultimately not important, since Shinji builds a new world devoid of Eva which is supposed to be the good ending.
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Ulysses 31
Member
I think the show always about human relationships and Shinji crawling out of his shell and all the tech/apocalypse stuff was window dressing(even if that was often the more interesting part).
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The mechanism isn't supposed to be important at all, i think the ending is that the world is partially the reality that we perceive to be. Shinji (stand-in for Anno) refuses to let his dark past dominate his view of the world, makes peace with it and moves onto a world free of Evangelion (both Shinji aka the robots in the world and Anno aka the show in his life). I think there are question marks about his role on future Evangelion stuff, he definitely won't be directing them but might be an producer. You probably know this but if you didn't. Anno suffered quite a bit from depression especially after the criticism of the ending of the season, had thought about suicide but couldn't do it. Mari if you don't know is supposed to be representative of his wife's introduction into his life. The battle scene between unit-13 and unit-1 is supposed to be breaking the fourth wall, it's like for like representations of the production sets that they used.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Probably. After all, Anno and the rest of the creators are on record from a long time ago saying that all the religious stuff doesn't have any deeper meaning and they just added because it's mysterious and sounds cool to Japanese people.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Good points. I didn't know that about Anno, and it puts the character strife in an interesting new context for me.
The fourth wall breaking was an interesting callback to EoE too. That, and the pretty blatant message of "You know, we're not going resolve any of this nonsense by way of giant robots beating the shit out of each other and pulling new lances out of their asses. Let's talk." was a big indicator of how to contextualize all of the craziness, IMO.
From a purely character driven view of the movie, sympathetic to these humans who constantly love and injure each other, it was cathartic to see them finally happy and at ease, in contrast to how epically fucked up End of Evangelion is.
Celcius
°Temp. member
Just finished the second one. The first two have been great and I realize that I do like Evangelion.
Also, the thread title mentions 3 movies... is 3.0+1.0 not part of this? The description makes it seem like a part 4?
I just don't like how it ends. I know the plot is about to get crazy in the 3rd moving so I'll strap myself in and get ready. Hopefully there's a better ending this time around though so I'm cautiously optimistic.
Also, the thread title mentions 3 movies... is 3.0+1.0 not part of this? The description makes it seem like a part 4?
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It is. It's the 4th one.
1. the new english dub for amazon is just off putting to me somehow; even with the old english cast from previous versions. something is just not right, so i had to watch it in JP sub.
2. after watching all these again, i think that the original tv series along with the end of evangelion is probably the better story exposition.
2. after watching all these again, i think that the original tv series along with the end of evangelion is probably the better story exposition.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
It's the first time hearing these Utada songs too, and they're fire. Eva's music selection and sound mix has always been great.
Saw the last movie 2 days ago, already saw the other three back in the day.
Good ending, good movie in general, ok but too many deus ex machina and nonsense. I mean, Evangelion is full of material which explain this and that, but it's often something out of the movies and the TV serie. So, without knowing anything, at some point you see both parts have some strategies and weapons out of the blue, and everyone have his own secret plan where you know they know you know.
3.0+1.0 work only when is not trying to be Evangelion.
Good ending, good movie in general, ok but too many deus ex machina and nonsense. I mean, Evangelion is full of material which explain this and that, but it's often something out of the movies and the TV serie. So, without knowing anything, at some point you see both parts have some strategies and weapons out of the blue, and everyone have his own secret plan where you know they know you know.
3.0+1.0 work only when is not trying to be Evangelion.
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(UN)official explanation:
Nerf is fully automated at that point, but mostly because the way the world works after the third impact, everything works in many astral planes and Evas are literally made of LCL.
Real explanation:
Fuck you viewers, it's
SidViscous
Member
Does he still jack off over that unconscious girl in these remakes? That scene (and whole original ending) was just too fucked up and made me dislike the show, the main character is such a whining bitch of a kid.
You're asking if the new movies retain any of the nudity of minors as the original fan service?
20cent
Banned
A 3 seconds scene that shows nothing in a movie that concluded a 26 episodes series made you retrospectively dislike the entire show? Or did you randomly watched the movie and *that* scene gave you a wrong impression on something you haven't heard of before?
SidViscous
Member
I watched the original series (or maybe it was a manga, it was that long ago!) and just found the main character to be too really unlikable, but stuck it out and got to that scene and some really druggy finale that seemed to come out of nowhere; I vaguely recall wondering what the fuck I just watched/read and went on geocities to be told me something about the show-runner having a nervous breakdown, and that they might go back and extend it or rewrite the ending.. thus my comment. Both this and kingdom hearts confuse me with their stupid naming schema, but my question is "did they change/remove the original ending?" and "is the main character more likeable now or still a mopey sex offender?" When I hear about it coming out on Amazon I figure it can't possibly be the same thing I watched all those years ago.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That scene you object to is not in the new movies. The new movies exist as their own thing, not directly connected (maybe), but still sharing the same characters and themes. The main character is still a "whining bitch of a kid" ( I don't think it's realistic to expect a 14 year old kid to process death, loss, and psychological abuse like a mature hardened military veteran), but his new experiences in the rebuild movies steer his resolution in a different, and arguably more wholesome direction.
Omega Supreme Holopsicon
Banned
Disliked the ending, typical old japanese ending.
Always the same, Lain, Raxephon, Escaflowne, etc. The world always goes back to normal, and people embrace the human condition with all its limitations.
This is not what's supposed to happen, either the world is destroyed or it is radically transformed, the human condition was for those of the past, people still in denial that the world is headed toward a new state of being or its utter destruction, the world is undergoing a wonderful transformation. Either case the end of the human condition.
This is not what's supposed to happen, either the world is destroyed or it is radically transformed, the human condition was for those of the past, people still in denial that the world is headed toward a new state of being or its utter destruction, the world is undergoing a wonderful transformation. Either case the end of the human condition.
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PrCat88
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Labolas
Member
Bit the bullet and finally watched it. Not as bad as the third movie but my God, was bullshit thrown in this. I legit eye-rolled when the phrase "Imaginary Eva" was said. I could totally see why someone saying Anno is a hack because that, THAT was fucking nonsense. In fact that whole fight scene was pretty dumb. And it wasn't the fight itself that was dumb, it was everything that was occurring in between that. But honestly, the human elements and characters interacting with each other were what held up the film for me. Like the only people possibly that would love this movie, would be the ones who aren't familiar with Eva or didn't love Eva to begin with. I can't imagine someone who immensely loved the tv series and movies would love this. And what was the point Mari? I mean, I like the character and all but what was the point of the character? She appears out of nowhere and apparently, is someone with a hidden past as indicated by Fuyutsuki but nothing was really revealed about her. Felt like she
I will say the things in 3.0 pissed me off way more than this did. So I guess in a way 3.0 made me acknowledge the bullshit in these movies.
Also, the movie's ending is very similar to the ending of manga and manga isn't weight down dumb jargon, overblown action scenes, and dumb looking mech designs. Point is READ THE MANGA.
was only there to be THE love interest for Shinji.
Also, the movie's ending is very similar to the ending of manga and manga isn't weight down dumb jargon, overblown action scenes, and dumb looking mech designs. Point is READ THE MANGA.
Fbh
Member
Just watched the fourth movie.
There's robots, the animation and overall presentation was great, every other thing is named in German for some reason and about three quarters into the movie I started to struggle to understand what was happening. So yeah, pretty much an Evangelion ending.
But seriously though, it was better than I expected, I really disliked the third one after having enjoyed the first 2, and IMO they made a decent job salvaging this movie franchise with this final entry. I'm not sure if I actually like the ending better than the og End of Evangelion one (probably not) but it's a pretty decent alternative take. I did get the broad concept of what was going on at the end but as in everything related to this franchise I'll now go google for some detailed explanation.
I'll always maintain my opinion that the biggest issue with this franchise is their insistence on making it unnecessarily convoluted.
There's robots, the animation and overall presentation was great, every other thing is named in German for some reason and about three quarters into the movie I started to struggle to understand what was happening. So yeah, pretty much an Evangelion ending.
But seriously though, it was better than I expected, I really disliked the third one after having enjoyed the first 2, and IMO they made a decent job salvaging this movie franchise with this final entry. I'm not sure if I actually like the ending better than the og End of Evangelion one (probably not) but it's a pretty decent alternative take. I did get the broad concept of what was going on at the end but as in everything related to this franchise I'll now go google for some detailed explanation.
I'll always maintain my opinion that the biggest issue with this franchise is their insistence on making it unnecessarily convoluted.
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NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Jesus galloping Christ, what a pile of self-indulgent bullshit this Rebuild has been.
I rewatched the whole thing before watching the final movie with a friend.
1 is almost insufferable with all those long silences, Shinji taking ages to do anything, the pacing all over the place compared to the original series.
2 is the best of the bunch, but still suffers from uneven pacing. It still seems to be going somewhere.
3 I remembered nothing about, and today I found out why. It’s the biggest nothing burger you can picture, with a couple cool scenes at the beginning and at the end.
4 is shit. Pure, absolute shit. Nothing makes sense. The amount of time wasted on nothing is staggering. The delivery is atrocious. Shinji is the only character that makes some sense, and since we’re talking about Evangelion here, that’s saying more than a thousand essays. Misato and the whole crew were butchered beyond recognition as characters. New stuff gets hinted at, exposed, revealed relentlessly and none of it makes a lick of sense. It’s just random names and stuff thrown at the spectator without the slightest respect for pacing, narrative, writing, patience, or intelligence. It’s the epitome of everything wrong with writing in Japanese works, dialed up to eleven. There’s just too much of everything, and at least half of it is superfluous. The Star Wars prequels are true poetry compared to this.
It took FOURTEEN fucking years to take this thing to the end, and there’s not one thing it does better than the original series except the animation. Since the original clocks in at about one hour more than all the Rebuild movies combined, if you’re interested in Evangelion, spare yourself the suffering and for the love of God, just watch the 1996 series.
I rewatched the whole thing before watching the final movie with a friend.
1 is almost insufferable with all those long silences, Shinji taking ages to do anything, the pacing all over the place compared to the original series.
2 is the best of the bunch, but still suffers from uneven pacing. It still seems to be going somewhere.
3 I remembered nothing about, and today I found out why. It’s the biggest nothing burger you can picture, with a couple cool scenes at the beginning and at the end.
4 is shit. Pure, absolute shit. Nothing makes sense. The amount of time wasted on nothing is staggering. The delivery is atrocious. Shinji is the only character that makes some sense, and since we’re talking about Evangelion here, that’s saying more than a thousand essays. Misato and the whole crew were butchered beyond recognition as characters. New stuff gets hinted at, exposed, revealed relentlessly and none of it makes a lick of sense. It’s just random names and stuff thrown at the spectator without the slightest respect for pacing, narrative, writing, patience, or intelligence. It’s the epitome of everything wrong with writing in Japanese works, dialed up to eleven. There’s just too much of everything, and at least half of it is superfluous. The Star Wars prequels are true poetry compared to this.
It took FOURTEEN fucking years to take this thing to the end, and there’s not one thing it does better than the original series except the animation. Since the original clocks in at about one hour more than all the Rebuild movies combined, if you’re interested in Evangelion, spare yourself the suffering and for the love of God, just watch the 1996 series.
Gp1
Member
I watched the og tv series in the 90's and this week I've been watching the rebuild too.
Besides the self indulgence and how the handled the 3rd and the 4th film changes, they really don't care to explain some things and the movies feels like a tv cut were they try to artificially reduce the runtime as so poorly cut they are.
I'm feeling like i was watching some of those cross media content were they explain half of the things in other products.
They simply don't work as a alone product to someone new or that is coming back to the series.
Besides the self indulgence and how the handled the 3rd and the 4th film changes, they really don't care to explain some things and the movies feels like a tv cut were they try to artificially reduce the runtime as so poorly cut they are.
I'm feeling like i was watching some of those cross media content were they explain half of the things in other products.
They simply don't work as a alone product to someone new or that is coming back to the series.
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Labolas
Member
Because it was a regression for a lot of characters and for the story. A lot of that movie turned off many OG Eva fans from the Rebuild films.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Me after watching all movies :
I watched the original series + end of evangelion many times, but the last week was my first time even watching one of the rebuild movies, so i watched all four of them in the past few days.
What have they done to the character development? It doesn't make any sense, and there's so many things that don't make sense unless you take into account some of the original series' development. They scrapped almost all of it. The characters' actions feel empty because there's nothing behind them unless you remember the original series. I mean if you never watched the original series and you watch these movies, i cannot even begin to imagine how it feels like, quick glimpses of a puzzle but never with a complete picture?
It's still cool to watch, i always loved NGE's fictional engineering, the breakers, the mechanical switches/bolts, the monitoring contacts, the outer worldly sizes of things, and the movies deliver on that front. But somehow they managed to make the ending and the impact even more complex and confusing, which i thought was the director's goal to avoid this time around? The series + End of evangelion is comparatively simple, imo.
I watched the original series + end of evangelion many times, but the last week was my first time even watching one of the rebuild movies, so i watched all four of them in the past few days.
What have they done to the character development? It doesn't make any sense, and there's so many things that don't make sense unless you take into account some of the original series' development. They scrapped almost all of it. The characters' actions feel empty because there's nothing behind them unless you remember the original series. I mean if you never watched the original series and you watch these movies, i cannot even begin to imagine how it feels like, quick glimpses of a puzzle but never with a complete picture?
It's still cool to watch, i always loved NGE's fictional engineering, the breakers, the mechanical switches/bolts, the monitoring contacts, the outer worldly sizes of things, and the movies deliver on that front. But somehow they managed to make the ending and the impact even more complex and confusing, which i thought was the director's goal to avoid this time around? The series + End of evangelion is comparatively simple, imo.
NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
Saw the final rebuild. Not gonna lie. Seeing Shinji as an adult made me a little emo. Great that we finally got a Gendo / Shinji confrontation
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I don't understand what the glasses girl with the big boobs was about. (her own description of herself) A happy ending for Shinji? Why not just pair him up with Asuka? Weird man.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Too much baggage built up between them. It's a symbol of reconciling then moving on.
pel1300
Member
Just watched the final film.
I loved the scenes in the village. In general I just love when Touji and Kensuke are around. I wish the movie was focused on the village (and exploring other villages for world building). Overall the movie is a mixed bag, but a big improvement over 3.0.
3.0 is tied with The Last Jedi as biggest piece of shit ever made in mainstream entertainment.
I loved the scenes in the village. In general I just love when Touji and Kensuke are around. I wish the movie was focused on the village (and exploring other villages for world building). Overall the movie is a mixed bag, but a big improvement over 3.0.
3.0 is tied with The Last Jedi as biggest piece of shit ever made in mainstream entertainment.
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