AMD 4900H mCPU reveiw! Do you believe 3.6Ghz w/ SMT can be sustained?
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ethomaz
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I believe that why X has an option with SMT off for devs with better clock.
Shin
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Not sustainable, my 6700HQ is 2.6GHz (3.5GHz boost), when surfing the net 1.5GHz, 2,3GHz -3.5GHz when gaming.
PlayStation will face the same problem that's just how variable frequency/boost clock works, min/max and constant fluctuation.
Therefor not guaranteed unless under constant high load that pushes the envelope (CPU stress test or games but those have moved to GPU so practically none).
PlayStation will face the same problem that's just how variable frequency/boost clock works, min/max and constant fluctuation.
Therefor not guaranteed unless under constant high load that pushes the envelope (CPU stress test or games but those have moved to GPU so practically none).
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ZywyPL
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It's still gonna be 3.7GHz with SMT vs 3.8 w/o SMT, so not far off.
SantaC
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A tower vs a laptop...hmmm
Futaleufu
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You have not seen this console.
ethomaz
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100Mhz do wonders in terms of power draw envelop.
If there is no issue the clock should be the same.
PS5 variable clock works the same way... it drops 50-100Mhz to keep the power draw constant.
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Shin
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Proof? Because that's an AMD CPU and will likely function like any mobile CPU found in a laptop.
The CPU is 35-54W? I believe, do the math 24H * 365D * electricity price, you're savings is negligible.
Elektro Demon
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Yeah, laptop chips crammed in a shitty miniature plastic box are bound to thermal throttle.
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M1chl
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He did not argue that, but power draw is significant even few Mhz up could mean double the power draw.
Which shows how stupid is run GPU on 2.23GHZ....lololololol
ethomaz
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That has nothing to do with electricity price... c''mon.
It is power envelope of the APU to not generate heat.
Shin
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I'll ask once again where's your proof that it will only drop 50-100MHz?
All we know is that power is shifted from A/B-B/A - AMD's SmartShift, how much the GPU/CPU downclocks to we might never know.
AFAIK adding CU's would have drawn less power than clocking it that high, looking at past decisions I can only guess that they took this route because it's most cost saving.
Great Hair
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Laptop suck ball these days. They are all outright bad, poorly specced.
The asus one lacks a camera, is loud as fuck, gets as hot as Pamela, has a most likely bad keyboard and a washed out TN? display ... on top of being a terrible gaming laptop for $2,000+?
It´s an office laptop with an oversized cpu in it. It´s the equivalent of buying an i9 9900KS and only use the iGPU.
what a laptop-manufacture should prioritize:
portable, light, silent, streaming, youtube, netflix, good enough photoshop, office, keyboard, battery autonomy, noise levels below 44db, gaming (proper, no iGPU), <14"
The asus one lacks a camera, is loud as fuck, gets as hot as Pamela, has a most likely bad keyboard and a washed out TN? display ... on top of being a terrible gaming laptop for $2,000+?
It´s an office laptop with an oversized cpu in it. It´s the equivalent of buying an i9 9900KS and only use the iGPU.
what a laptop-manufacture should prioritize:
portable, light, silent, streaming, youtube, netflix, good enough photoshop, office, keyboard, battery autonomy, noise levels below 44db, gaming (proper, no iGPU), <14"
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TTOOLL
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ethomaz
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Cerny.
PhoenixTank
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Console warring in the title? 
For the readers, Gordon did a write up.
www.pcworld.com
Hopefully we can get some proper apples to apples gaming comparisons soon, but these are definitely competitive results. Amazing how quickly things can change. Getting an AMD laptop was a fucking joke just a few years ago.
For the readers, Gordon did a write up.
Ryzen 4000 performance benchmarks: Ryzen 9 4900HS beats Intel’s Core i9 mobile chips
AMD's Ryzen 4000 mobile CPUs finally break the curse that had the company losing to Intel in laptops over and over again. Our performance benchmarks prove it out.
www.pcworld.com
Hopefully we can get some proper apples to apples gaming comparisons soon, but these are definitely competitive results. Amazing how quickly things can change. Getting an AMD laptop was a fucking joke just a few years ago.
Shin
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Provide a link and/or timestamp otherwise you're flat out lying.
ethomaz
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Shin
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Get your head checked nutcase.
You've timestamped HRTF samples which has jackshit to do with your lies, therefor spreading wrongful information.
ZywyPL
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AMD was technically non-existen on mobile market for a decade, if not more, so I wouldn't call it "quick"... And that's just a one, I repeat - ONE CPU that's good so far, in a single laptop, let's wait for the full lineup in variety of models before we do any judgement. I'm personally mostly interested in an full AMD setup with SmartShift technology.
ethomaz
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Bullshit.
I posted the full video to see if you learn something and stop spread false information.
There is no timestamp in my link.
Watch it and see when Cerny explain how the clock management based in workload works... and see how he says that a coupe of percent drop is enough to 10% decrease in power draw.... he said too both CPU and GPU works most of time at the highest clock.
Now if you are denial of what Cerny said then it shows more about you than Cerny himself.
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Shin
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Yeah you can say that again.
I watched that presentation the day it was shown and know the content of it.
As I said you're making shit up as you go as he said nothing of sort.
ethomaz
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So you are in denial
Keep saying Cerny is lying lol
Because he says what I said even with the words I used.
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PhoenixTank
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The part of my post you didn't quote kinda negates any quick judgement on my part. I don't expect the others are going to fall particularly flat for each TDP envelope either but perhaps you've mistaken my post for trying to "claim a win for the team" or something?
Shin
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Reverse psychology doesn't work on me.So you are in denial
Keep saying Cerny is lying lol
Because he says what I said even with the words I used.
I'm not the one lying through their teeth to defend a company or always laughing at posts that proves them wrong like a maniac.
You have serious problems, but those aside the talk is at 38 min. mark and nowhere in that does he give raw numbers - as I've said you're lying through your teeth.
You do not know how much it will downclock/throttle down to, but pulled numbers from your ass and tried to pass it as a fact.
Then got called out and like a trapped rat you tried to scramble instead of apologizing like a man for spreading false information.
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ethomaz
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Reverse psychology?
I'm being direct with facts you can watch in a public video lol
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Shin
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Deflecting and passing blame on others for your wrongdoings. That's what reverse psychology is lmao.
Furthermore you are mistaken about what Cerny said, he mentions Tdp and throttling down. It is you and only you who made up 50-100MHz and ran with it.
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ZywyPL
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What I mean is, it took AMD quite a lot of time to actually get competitive, it didn't happen overnight, like your post suggested.
longdi
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Yeah, it is only with Zen2 that their cpu are worth it totally.
My 3950X performs really well, very happy with Lisa Su running of AMD and that stock rise!
ethomaz
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Nope.
That is your issue not believing Cerny.
50-100Mhz is based in Cerny words... a coupe of percent decrease in clock to about 10% decrease in power draw.
He is very clear too about the variable frequency not being like GPU in PC where it is based in TDP/temperature and indeed generate throttling.
The variable frequency in PS5 is based in workload.
He said too most of time both GPU and CPU runs at max clock.
Now bullshit is say things like the clock drops a lot with GPU going below 10TF or even 9TF when Cerny definitely said the opposite but that doesn't hold Xbox fans to spread these lies.
The video is public so your accusation you me making up holds no weight.
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Shin
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ethomaz
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See denial
Just be honest and says I don't believe Cerny
It is less shameful.
But he is the only actual info about PS5 we have instead the made up "theories" from Xbox fans.
BTW it is weird to cut the quote from somebody else lol keep the whole phase to others get more informed about the subject.
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Shin
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Nothing to deny, but you failed to understand a simple image. As they say a picture is worth a thousand words.See denial
Just be honest and says I don't believe Cerny
It is less shameful.
Your aprehension and math could use more work as you've blatantly lied.
That is all, kthxbbye.
Stilton Disco
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As I'm too busy to go through comparisons and speculation articles right now, can anyone give me a auick summary of how these new Ryzen laptop CPU's are going to hold up compared to what we'll be expecting next year?
I was planning on holding off until 2021 to get a new one, but the reviews posted here are making me reconsider.
I was planning on holding off until 2021 to get a new one, but the reviews posted here are making me reconsider.
longdi
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These new ryzen cpu are good value for money, but limited in vendor choices.
Next year will probably be better, as always for tech.
Depends on your needs really. If you need a new laptop now-ish, yes do consider 4000 Ryzen laptops in your selection. They are finally worth a look.
I have desktop based Zen2, and it has been really good.
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Shin
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That was the initial case and examples were given while remaining on-topic.
Unfortunately and as per usual an individual (whom has admitted to it) have issues facing reality and that's where the derail occurred.
I called it out as said person is making things up, putting out wrong numbers and false information, it is not the first time yet mods keep ignoring it.
Many forum members wonder why he's still not permanently banned (ethomaz) for the numerous console warring posts, threads and his obnoxious behavior all-around (incl. emotes).
To add to the above, a handful of things have been reported the past week but all went unanswered but the moment he cries bloody murder here you are, astonishing.
A person can only try and correct someone for so many times, but when they are intentionally behaving like that it becomes freakin' obnoxious and doesn't drive conversations.
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ethomaz
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That is a lie lol
I showed with proof in a public video what I said is true and you keep derailing the thread with blatant false accusations.
Of course it doesn't drive conversation if the only source of information (Cerny) is discredited by you lol
BTW my original comment was 100% on topic and you that started to derail the topic with freaking lies.
PS. I just looked at your post history... makes sense the made up narrative now.
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Stilton Disco
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Thank you, I'll stay strong and hold off until next year then when there's more choice.
My wife wants one for Photo and Video editing our outdoirs adventures, which being stuck indoors for the foreseeable she's not going to be getting much of. Meanwhile I want it for PC and Xbox games (I'm fine with lower settings and resolution to offset the likely power gap), so I may as well wait to see how the available options directly compare to the XSX performance.
PhoenixTank
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Overnight? Not sure how you got that impression? I used a time frame of years in my post... so sorry, but that is definitely not what I was suggesting.
How are you measuring this? Are we going way back to when Jim Keller started working on Zen?
I'm mostly measuring by the landmarks here: Carizzo and either generation of Ryzen laptops before this. From dogshit to "ehh" to offering actual competition in Intel's strongest sector in just a few years is impressive to me. Yes, we need to see how the other OEMs treat the chips and build the products as a whole for it to have success in the wider market... but so far so good.
SenjutsuSage
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At no point is it ever stated it drops only 50-100MHz. If it were that small, Cerny would have said it will never go below a certain threshold. He doesn't mention that baseline guarantee, why? You be the judge of that.