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AMD Readies Two New 3D V-Cache Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Desktop CPUs, 8 Core With 96 MB & 16 Core With 192 MB "Dual X3D"

AMD is reportedly preparing two brand new Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" 3D V-Cache desktop CPUs in 8 & 16 core flavors with up to 192 MB cache.

wccftech.com

Bye bye my 9950X3D

 

[rm082e]

Given this is the gaming forum, I just wanted to mention this video that Hardware Unboxed put out this morning:



I'm on a 5800x3d, I'm running a 9070 XT and a 1440 monitor. When they showed the Ultra settings tests, I was expecting the 5800x3d to be much further behind the 9800x3d. Unless you're running a 5090, they're dead even in a lot of games. At the rate it's holding up, I may wind up skipping their next generation and wait for the one after that.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Cool! I'm really interested to see how much advantage this has in gaming scenarios over the 9950x3D and 9800x3D, considering cross-CCD communication is expensive and most games don't scale well over 8 cores.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Given this is the gaming forum, I just wanted to mention this video that Hardware Unboxed put out this morning:



I'm on a 5800x3d, I'm running a 9070 XT and a 1440 monitor. When they showed the Ultra settings tests, I was expecting the 5800x3d to be much further behind the 9800x3d. Unless you're running a 5090, they're dead even in a lot of games. At the rate it's holding up, I may wind up skipping their next generation and wait for the one after that.

5800X3D still a LEGEND in 2025

I only game at 4K resolution so I guess I can just buy the 5090 and not really miss out on much if I refuse to overhaul my whole machine and just keep my 5800X3D wew

 

[Kataploom]

Given this is the gaming forum, I just wanted to mention this video that Hardware Unboxed put out this morning:



I'm on a 5800x3d, I'm running a 9070 XT and a 1440 monitor. When they showed the Ultra settings tests, I was expecting the 5800x3d to be much further behind the 9800x3d. Unless you're running a 5090, they're dead even in a lot of games. At the rate it's holding up, I may wind up skipping their next generation and wait for the one after that.

Games are mostly GPU bound, even any mid range Zen 2 CPU will give you at least 60 fps in all games (actually, given that they're GPU bound, I'm always getting way more than that)

 

[Self_Destructive]

lmao only 4 games... what a worthless CPU/GPU scaling review.

 

[Hoddi]

Cool! I'm really interested to see how much advantage this has in gaming scenarios over the 9950x3D and 9800x3D, considering cross-CCD communication is expensive and most games don't scale well over 8 cores.

Is there anything outside of gaming that truly benefits from the larger cache? Cities Skylines 2 is still the only game I've found that can genuinely benefit from more than 8 cores. CCD latency otherwise seems like it will be a bottleneck.

5800X3D still a LEGEND in 2025

I only game at 4K resolution so I guess I can just buy the 5090 and not really miss out on much if I refuse to overhaul my whole machine and just keep my 5800X3D wew

It's only a three year old CPU lol

I'd stick with it, personally. I upgraded my own 9900k (from 2018) to a 7950X3D last year and even that has mostly been underwhelming so far. Biggest benefit is that shader compilation is much quicker with 16 cores.

 

[KuraiShidosha]

Unless the 3D cache cores clock exactly as high as the frequency cores then this is not a gain for gaming. You never want to cross the CCDs when gaming because this incurs an enormous latency penalty making the performance gains (if any) from moving to more than 8 cores totally null.

With my 7950x3D, the frequency cores ran considerably higher than the 3D cache cores. This made sense for games that don't benefit from the extra cache, giving you basically the best of both worlds. You have an 8 core 3D cache chip and an 8 core high frequency stock cache chip all in one so you never lose out.

This became a lot less relevant with my 9950x3D. The clock speeds are very close between the two CCDs. Now there's almost no point to these 16 core 3D cache chips. No game is going to run better using both CCDs with increased cache, and frequency parity between the cores makes it pointless to have the extra cores vs a regular old 9800x3D. Weird choice for them to do this.

 

[Bry0]

Is there anything outside of gaming that truly benefits from the larger cache?

3D v cache was designed for "technical computing" applications for epyc servers. That it works great for gaming is just a bonus.

 

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AMD Readies Two New 3D V-Cache Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" Desktop CPUs, 8 Core With 96 MB & 16 Core With 192 MB "Dual X3D"

AMD is reportedly preparing two brand new Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" 3D V-Cache desktop CPUs in 8 & 16 core flavors with up to 192 MB cache.

wccftech.com

Bye bye my 9950X3D

Thats why i didnt upgrade from the 9800x3d to the 9950x3d. i knew something like this would happen. glad I didn't. would have been a waste of money considering these CPUs are not really cheap

with that being said, I don't really trust wccftech either. most of their rumors and reporting are garbage.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

will probably get this

still using 12700k
for 4k its perfectly fine, mostly... but DLSS makes better use of CPUs
and i just want to upgrade

 

[peish]

Cool! I'm really interested to see how much advantage this has in gaming scenarios over the 9950x3D and 9800x3D, considering cross-CCD communication is expensive and most games don't scale well over 8 cores.

Probably useless for most games. Amd z 16 cores zen are really 2 islands of 8 cores. They are connected with an infinity fabric of 64gb/s read and 32gb/s write, too slow to meaningfully improve games

 

[dgrdsv]

Two hundred watts tho.

I'd imagine that the only reason for that is that this one will be named some 9990X3D and "should" thus be faster than everything below it so they'll clock it higher than the 9950X.
Which is backwards to how they should be making this GAMING oriented SKU where clocks are less important than the cache size and letting it lose to 9950X in some non-gaming workload would be totally fine.

 

[StereoVsn]

Unless the 3D cache cores clock exactly as high as the frequency cores then this is not a gain for gaming. You never want to cross the CCDs when gaming because this incurs an enormous latency penalty making the performance gains (if any) from moving to more than 8 cores totally null.

With my 7950x3D, the frequency cores ran considerably higher than the 3D cache cores. This made sense for games that don't benefit from the extra cache, giving you basically the best of both worlds. You have an 8 core 3D cache chip and an 8 core high frequency stock cache chip all in one so you never lose out.

This became a lot less relevant with my 9950x3D. The clock speeds are very close between the two CCDs. Now there's almost no point to these 16 core 3D cache chips. No game is going to run better using both CCDs with increased cache, and frequency parity between the cores makes it pointless to have the extra cores vs a regular old 9800x3D. Weird choice for them to do this.

I would think these new chips aren't really targeted at games, and more at certain professional applications that can take advantage of 3D Cache and high core counts.

I think Adobe apps are one example of such.

 

[BWJinxing]

If it's any good for general computing ... Glad I got that micro center warranty. I'll think of something..