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[tusharngf]

AMD RDNA 3 & RDNA 4 GPU Rumors For Next-Gen Radeon RX Series Graphics Cards: Higher Prices, Higher Performance, 2H 2022 Launch​

MLID starts straight off by talking about the performance estimates and we have had several of those for a while now. We have seen previous rumors claiming a performance increase of up to 2.5x for RDNA 3 over RDNA 2 and MLID states that AMD was always targeting greater than 50% performance increase over the Radeon RX 6900 XT graphics card with its RDNA 3 architecture.

He states that he is confident that AMD will be able to achieve a performance improvement of 60% at a minimum but also states that theoretical top performance and real-world performance aren't the same things. This is MLID basically talking about that 2.5x improvement figure from earlier and that it could be based on a certain simulation or workload. The average performance improvement may change in the final silicon though several leakers are still confident about RDNA 3 hitting that 2-2.5x performance increase over RDNA 2.

It is also mentioned that like RDNA 2, the top RDNA 3 SKU has changed a lot over the last few years. This means that the product has seen several variations but the development and mass production of V-Cache chiplet stacking technology has improved the confidence of the team building the next-gen GPU in regards to its performance. Another interesting thing listed in the rumor is that RDNA 3 is expected to bring a big efficiency & ray-tracing performance increase while also simultaneously upping the power demand on the high-end models.

AMD RDNA 3 Navi 3X GPU Configurations (Preliminary)​

GPU Name	Navi 21	Navi 33	Navi 32	Navi 31
GPU Process	7nm	6nm	5nm/6nm	5nm/6nm
GPU Package	Monolithic	Monolithic	MCM	MCM
Shader Engines	4	2	4 (2 per GCD)	6 (3 per GCD)
GPU WGPs	40	20	40 (20 per GCD)	60 (30 per GCD)
SPs Per WGP	128	256	256	256
Compute Units (Per Die)	80	40	80 160 (Total)	120 240 (Total)
Cores (Per Die)	5120	5120	5120	7689
Cores (Total)	5120	5120	10240	15360
Memory Bus	256-bit	128-bit	192-bit	256-bit
Memory Type	GDDR6	GDDR6	GDDR6	GDDR6
Infinity Cache	128 MB	256 MB	384 MB	512 MB
Flagship SKU	Radeon RX 6900 XTX	Radeon RX 7600 XT?	Radeon RX 7700 XT?	Radeon RX 7900 XT?
TBP	330W	~200W	~300W	~400W
Launch	Q4 2020	Q4 2021?	Q4 2021?	Q4 2021?

In a speculative performance/pricing chart, it can be seen that the RX 7700 XT being as fast as the GeForce RTX 3090 for $599 US.

Source: AMD Next-Gen RDNA 3 & RDNA 4 GPU Rumors: Over 50% Performance Increase, Increased Radeon RX 7000 Pricing & Launch In 2H 2022 (wccftech.com)

 

[Haint]

Without a genuine DLSS competitor, +60% will only barely make them competitive with the then 2 old 3XXX's in supporting titles (and not even across the board, the $399 3060Ti has a a more than 300% advantage over the $380 6600XT in some Raytraced DLSS'd titles). Also of note their "mainstream high end" cards (not the stupid Titan class stuff) are targeting $1000 for RDNA3 and $1200 for RDNA4. I told y'all PC gaming was dead and the $5,000 PC was no longer a meme.

 

[killatopak]

Without a genuine DLSS competitor, +60% will only barely make them competitive with the then 2 old 3XXX's in supporting titles (and not even across the board, the $399 3060Ti has a a more than 300% advantage over the $380 6600XT in some Raytraced DLSS'd titles).

For lower prices than the direct competitor, it’s worth it. Better Raytracing will me more of a factor here.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

That's some high TDP. I guess it's to be expected without major node shrinks. I severly doubt we'll see mid gen console refreshes this gen.

 

[Sosokrates]

Will there be enough GPUs to have as a cereal?

 

[Self_Destructive]

Stop posting info from that guy. He's full of shit.

 

[DZ_b_EZ]

Does it even matter at this point? Also, wccftech is shit.

 

[Klik]

So PS5 Pro in 2023/24
-5nm
-20-25tf estimate
-much better RayTracing
-499$?

 

[GreatnessRD]

Very interested in the MCM chip designs. I wouldn't be personally getting one of the 40 series/RDNA3 cards, but can't wait to see how they stack up against each other. Prices creeping up is also a concern.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I'm always intrigued by stuff like this, but, honestly it's hard to treat him as someone with any credibility after some of the blatantly dishonest statements he has made on a number of things.

 

[kyliethicc]

So PS5 Pro in 2023/24
-5nm
-20-25tf estimate
-much better RayTracing
-499$?

PS5 slim
2023
6nm
10.28 TF
$499

 

[Great Hair]

Only +50%? Hmm expect more from gpus launching in 365 days.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Stop and consider this everybody. Both next gen consoles after PS5 and Series X, performance wise, are going to smoke an RTX 3080 in both pure rasterization performance and likely in ray tracing performance. How crazy is that?

 

[PUNKem733]

Stop and consider this everybody. Both next gen consoles after PS5 and Series X, performance wise, are going to smoke an RTX 3080 in both pure rasterization performance and likely in ray tracing performance. How crazy is that?

That is a low bar for consoles coming in 2027/2028. By then RDNA 4/nvidia 4xxx will be 3-4 years old.

 

[WitchHunter]

AMD RDNA 3 & RDNA 4 GPU Rumors For Next-Gen Radeon RX Series Graphics Cards: Higher Prices, Higher Performance, 2H 2022 Launch​

MLID starts straight off by talking about the performance estimates and we have had several of those for a while now. We have seen previous rumors claiming a performance increase of up to 2.5x for RDNA 3 over RDNA 2 and MLID states that AMD was always targeting greater than 50% performance increase over the Radeon RX 6900 XT graphics card with its RDNA 3 architecture.

He states that he is confident that AMD will be able to achieve a performance improvement of 60% at a minimum but also states that theoretical top performance and real-world performance aren't the same things. This is MLID basically talking about that 2.5x improvement figure from earlier and that it could be based on a certain simulation or workload. The average performance improvement may change in the final silicon though several leakers are still confident about RDNA 3 hitting that 2-2.5x performance increase over RDNA 2.

It is also mentioned that like RDNA 2, the top RDNA 3 SKU has changed a lot over the last few years. This means that the product has seen several variations but the development and mass production of V-Cache chiplet stacking technology has improved the confidence of the team building the next-gen GPU in regards to its performance. Another interesting thing listed in the rumor is that RDNA 3 is expected to bring a big efficiency & ray-tracing performance increase while also simultaneously upping the power demand on the high-end models.

AMD RDNA 3 Navi 3X GPU Configurations (Preliminary)​

GPU Name	Navi 21	Navi 33	Navi 32	Navi 31
GPU Process	7nm	6nm	5nm/6nm	5nm/6nm
GPU Package	Monolithic	Monolithic	MCM	MCM
Shader Engines	4	2	4 (2 per GCD)	6 (3 per GCD)
GPU WGPs	40	20	40 (20 per GCD)	60 (30 per GCD)
SPs Per WGP	128	256	256	256
Compute Units (Per Die)	80	40	80 160 (Total)	120 240 (Total)
Cores (Per Die)	5120	5120	5120	7689
Cores (Total)	5120	5120	10240	15360
Memory Bus	256-bit	128-bit	192-bit	256-bit
Memory Type	GDDR6	GDDR6	GDDR6	GDDR6
Infinity Cache	128 MB	256 MB	384 MB	512 MB
Flagship SKU	Radeon RX 6900 XTX	Radeon RX 7600 XT?	Radeon RX 7700 XT?	Radeon RX 7900 XT?
TBP	330W	~200W	~300W	~400W
Launch	Q4 2020	Q4 2021?	Q4 2021?	Q4 2021?

In a speculative performance/pricing chart, it can be seen that the RX 7700 XT being as fast as the GeForce RTX 3090 for $599 US.

Source: AMD Next-Gen RDNA 3 & RDNA 4 GPU Rumors: Over 50% Performance Increase, Increased Radeon RX 7000 Pricing & Launch In 2H 2022 (wccftech.com)

Running everything in 1080p. We soon need 1200 MHz monitors.

 

[TheRedRiders]

I'm always intrigued by stuff like this, but, honestly it's hard to treat him as someone with any credibility after some of the blatantly dishonest statements he has made on a number of things.

Dude gets super mad when you call him out on it too lol

 

[Andodalf]

I'm always intrigued by stuff like this, but, honestly it's hard to treat him as someone with any credibility after some of the blatantly dishonest statements he has made on a number of things.

Yeah this source probs deserves a ban

 

[tusharngf]

Stop and consider this everybody. Both next gen consoles after PS5 and Series X, performance wise, are going to smoke an RTX 3080 in both pure rasterization performance and likely in ray tracing performance. How crazy is that?

I think next gen will be more crazy and power hungry. I expect 300-400W PSU inside the box.

 

[alucard0712_rus]

As if NVIDIA sitting stiil and doing nothing.

 

[mansoor1980]

As if NVIDIA sitting stiil and doing nothing.

 

[LazyParrot]

Stop and consider this everybody. Both next gen consoles after PS5 and Series X, performance wise, are going to smoke an RTX 3080 in both pure rasterization performance and likely in ray tracing performance. How crazy is that?

Is it really that crazy that a new generation of consoles would perform better than a GPU that came out several months before the release of the previous generation?

It's not like people were going "Holy shit, this thing is faster than a GTX 780!" when PS5 came out.

 

[nani17]

Does it come with good drivers?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Increasing prices by an entire tier?
Guess I'm never buying a gpu again.

 

[lh032]

Does it come with good games that utilizing all these next gen tech?

 

[Marlenus]

If you want to read rumours re RDNA3 and Lovelace then just go to beyond3d forums and read those threads. Far better than MLID or RGT.

 

[truth411]

So PS5 Pro in 2023/24
-3nm
-25-28tf estimate
-much better RayTracing
-$599-$699?

Fixed.

 

[MikeM]

Delaying my PC build until these come out. Pretty happy with my Series X and PS5 thus far.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Does it come with good drivers?

Now you are asking to much. Calm down

 

[GreatnessRD]

I don't know what's up with the drivers narrative. The 5000 series was complete dumpster when it came to drivers, 5700 XT specifically. But with the 6000 series, the drivers haven't been nuclear like with the previous gen.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Going by that chart, expect 40 - 50 TF 10th-gen consoles if they want to stay in the $400/$500 price brackets.

And probably expect them around 2027 or 2028 (at the latest).

Stop and consider this everybody. Both next gen consoles after PS5 and Series X, performance wise, are going to smoke an RTX 3080 in both pure rasterization performance and likely in ray tracing performance. How crazy is that?

Not too crazy; 3090-tier rasterization perf should be in APU-level designs by 2027 for AMD going by that chart and expectation of 1.5 - 2 year intervals between new RDNA gens for AMD (also take into consideration they could ditch RDNA in the near future and do a whole new thing, which could create a bit of a setback with release schedules).

The GPU component for the past few gens IIRC has never costed Sony and Microsoft more than $100 of the BOM,, usually more into the upper double-digits. GPU card manufacturers probably sell at MSRP 2x (at minimum) it costs them to actually manufacture the board, and that includes the memory. So I tend to like halving the MSRPs and taking off maybe $40 - $50 for memory at most, then take off a few bucks for the PCB and fan cooling, the packaging (that's probably like $1 - $2 at most) and there you go.

Of course that could be offset by what node process they choose for the GPU and its relative cost; IMO you don't need anything more than 3nm EUV (or whatever that's specifically called for 3nm if I have it wrong) to get > RTX 3090 performance (which would be the "sweet spot" for 4K120 and, with additional technologies/features of later GPUs by that point, have much superior upscaling capabilities with vastly reduced performance costs) at a power budget roughly equivalent to the current-gen systems (which are actually just a tad more power-hungry than the 8th-gen console refreshes were at peak load), and die size similar to current-gen as well if not a bit smaller (better density and such).

Plus 3nm EUV would have the advantage of being very mature, not in as much contention from other companies like Apple nabbing up most of the fabs, and be a lot more affordable. Its price for the performance can't be beat by smaller nodes for 10th-gen systems that want to stay at consumer-friendly MSRPs.

 

[ParaSeoul]

Another moores law is dead thread

 

[Amiga]

Without a genuine DLSS competitor,

most likely will have dedicated hardware upscaling. the techniques are well established now. likely will have 2 methods like intel.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Without a genuine DLSS competitor, +60% will only barely make them competitive with the then 2 old 3XXX's in supporting titles

They don't really need a genuine DLSS competitor if XeSS turns out okay, but regardless we should still be getting FSR 1.X or 2.x that may or may not use machine learning as well.

Only +50%? Hmm expect more from gpus launching in 365 days.

Navi 31 should be >2.5x the performance of the RX 6900XT. It has two WGP chiplets with up to 50% more ALUs each, both of which placed on top of a 256MB SRAM die. It's a ~60 TFLOPs monster with 512MB total Infinity Cache.
However, the fully enabled Navi 31 halo product is probably coming at $2500 or more.
I believe the +50% performance claim is for the same price range. The next $675 GPU will be 50% faster than a RX6800XT, which is probably Navi 32 (same as Navi 31 but with only one WGP chiplet). Then as performance rises above high-end we see an exponential increase in price, as the Titan range got us used to.

 

[Kenpachii]

They don't really need a genuine DLSS competitor if XeSS turns out okay, but regardless we should still be getting FSR 1.X or 2.x that may or may not use machine learning as well.



Navi 31 should be >2.5x the performance of the RX 6900XT. It has two WGP chiplets with up to 50% more ALUs each, both of which placed on top of a 256MB SRAM die. It's a ~60 TFLOPs monster with 512MB total Infinity Cache.
However, the fully enabled Navi 31 halo product is probably coming at $2500 or more.
I believe the +50% performance claim is for the same price range. The next $675 GPU will be 50% faster than a RX6800XT, which is probably Navi 32 (same as Navi 31 but with only one WGP chiplet). Then as performance rises above high-end we see an exponential increase in price, as the Titan range got us used to.

Exactly 50% is bullshit, thing will be alteast 100% faster.