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[qa_engineer]

My budget for a new GPU is between 600-800 dollars. I thought about the 1080 but I am more interested in AMD's offerings. If it turns out that the Polaris 11 and 10 parts are laptop and mainstream only then I will continue to wait to see their HBM2, Vega part or see how much of a difference a 1080ti is vs a 1080.

 

[Ozorov]

My budget for a new GPU is between 600-800 dollars. I thought about the 1080 but I am more interested in AMD's offerings. If it turns out that the Polaris 11 and 10 parts are laptop and mainstream only then I will continue to wait to see their HBM2, Vega part or see how much of a difference a 1080ti is vs a 1080.

Everything points to that Polaris 10 won't be on par with 1080

 

[qa_engineer]

Everything points to that Polaris 10 won't be on par with 1080

Yeah thats what I've been reading. I'm more or less hoping they have some surprise announcement for a 390X replacement, but if they don't I am going to wait for a high end, HBM2 offering further down the road or the 1080ti. I have very little interest in the 1080 nor am I in a rush to upgrade as my 390X is still very, very good.

 

[ZOONAMI]

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-480x-470x-specs-allegedly-revealed/

Supposedly those polaris 10 specs are a mobile variant. Hoping AMD has a 2500+ shader desktop part that clocks over 1500mhz. Should hang with the 1070. I want to believe.

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[Ozorov]

Yeah thats what I've been reading. I'm more or less hoping they have some surprise announcement for a 390X replacement, but if they don't I am going to wait for a high end, HBM2 offering further down the road or the 1080ti. I have very little interest in the 1080 nor am I in a rush to upgrade as my 390X is still very, very good.

We'll know for sure after Computex so the wait ain't that long

 

[Chiggs]

Yeah thats what I've been reading. I'm more or less hoping they have some surprise announcement for a 390X replacement, but if they don't I am going to wait for a high end, HBM2 offering further down the road or the 1080ti. I have very little interest in the 1080 nor am I in a rush to upgrade as my 390X is still very, very good.

Uh, AMD considers the 380/390/390x to be mid-range and Polaris 10 likely means the R480/R490/R490x.

 

[qa_engineer]

Uh, AMD considers the 380/390/390x to be mid-range and Polaris 10 likely means the R480/R490/R490x.

Thats what I was thinking but every article on the interwebz would have you believe that the highest peformance we're going to see from Polaris 10 would only match the 390X in total compute performance, at a fraction of the TDP. I don't want a more power efficient 390X, I want a successor to the 390X

 

[Chiggs]

Thats what I was thinking but every article on the interwebz would have you believe that the highest peformance we're going to see from Polaris 10 would only match the 390X in total compute performance, at a fraction of the TDP. I don't want a more power efficient 390X, I want a successor to the 390X

I think there's good reason to believe that we'll see a decent performance bump. Clearly, these cards are not designed to go toe-to-toe with the 1080, but if you can snag two for less than the price of a 1080, and the performance and power are better than the 1080, they've got a hit.

If they don't, well, they can rot.

 

[qa_engineer]

I think there's good reason to believe that we'll see a decent performance bump. Clearly, these cards are not designed to go toe-to-toe with the 1080, but if you can snag two for less than the price of a 1080, and the performance and power are better than the 1080, they've got a hit.

If they don't, well, they can rot.

Not really interested in dual card solutions either, at least not at this time. I guess we'll have to wait.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Not really interested in dual card solutions either, at least not at this time. I guess we'll have to wait.

Full desktop polaris 10 has a chance of competing with a 1070. Maybe...

 

[VariantX]

390X - Fury performance at 249 would change the game. If they're not going to address Nvidia at the high-end until Vega, they really need to shake things up price/performance with polaris. All signs point to them doing this too, so fingers crossed

If true, then I'm absolutely 100% going for one of these. Especially if it comes in around 150w. Would be a nice jump from where im standing now.

 

[qa_engineer]

If true, then I'm absolutely 100% going for one of these. Especially if it comes in around 150w. Would be a nice jump from where im standing now.

That would be very compelling for a lot of people.

 

[Aklamarth]

Full desktop polaris 10 has a chance of competing with a 1070. Maybe...

Especially in DX12 Polaris 10 will curbstomp the 1070.

 

[Durante]

Those PCPer specs would indicate a 1.35 GHz clock rate for whatever that 5.5 TF part is (if it exists).

Especially in DX12 Polaris 10 will curbstomp the 1070.

Right. Curbstomp.

 

[Nachtmaer]

Uh, AMD considers the 380/390/390x to be mid-range and Polaris 10 likely means the R480/R490/R490x.

So far it seems most likely that Polaris 11 will end in the 470s and Polaris 10 will be 480s. Since Vega will be their top two chips, that would probably put Vega 11 at 490s and Vega 10 as their new halo part. Perhaps it'll get its own branding like Titan and Fury. I think I saw someone coin the name Nova and I kind of like it considering it fits with their use of star-related names.

I'd still consider a 390X (mid-)high end, but it's hard to slap these sort of terms onto cards when we basically have four tiers. It's even harder when you start counting the really tiny chips mostly meant for mobile. But eh, semantics.

My biggest question currently still is whether Vega 11 (two chips have been confirmed) will be using HBM or only the bigger one will. Their roadmap just said Vega and HBM so it could be anything. Since P10 is likely to be ~230mm², I can see V11 end up in the 300-350mm² range and thus bigger than GP104. If it uses HBM then no doubt this card would be more expensive to produce (which I know doesn't dictate everything). But if this hypothetical more expensive card doesn't manage to beat a 1080, things could be very messy. Kind of like how 390X's margins must be pitiful compared to the 970/980's.

I know that's a lot of ifs and buts. I'm just curious how Vega is going to pan out.

 

[Aztechnology]

Once again AMD's marketing is failing and mindshare is drifting ever further away. They need to strike while the Iron is hot and release details about Polaris 10 and Vega or they could miss the boat entirely.

 

[Discotheque]

Do yall think they'll release the vega to coincide with battlefield 1. Might hold off on upgrading my 780 which is starting to shit itself and that would be a good time and likely with a free game to boot

 

[Tenacious-D]

Once again AMD's marketing is failing and mindshare is drifting ever further away. They need to strike while the Iron is hot and release details about Polaris 10 and Vega or they could miss the boat entirely.

People who are going to buy the 1080, aren't going to get a Polaris 10 card anyway. They need to announce something for the mainstream market before the 1070 is out. Although ideally, they should also have their cards out around that time.

Seeing as they're apparently going to be at Computex, I'm sure they'll be fine. If they don't have something related to Polaris at Computex, then I would start being a bit concerned.

 

[dgrdsv]

Once again AMD's marketing is failing and mindshare is drifting ever further away. They need to strike while the Iron is hot and release details about Polaris 10 and Vega or they could miss the boat entirely.

How's releasing details on Vega which may be a year away will help them right now? Same can be said about Polaris as it's likely to be both slower and coming later than either 1070 or 1080. The only case where they should say something rather sooner than later is if P10 will be on 1070 level of performance - which isn't out of realms of possibility considering that it's 3/4 of 1080 which should put it effectively somewhere around the rumored P10 die size.

 

[Inspectah_Deck]

Do yall think they'll release the vega to coincide with battlefield 1.

I think that's pretty likely, AMD has a very good relationship with Dice.
There was a rumour on 3dcenter.org that said exactly that.

 

[dgrdsv]

Vega's release will coincide with Vega's being ready for release =) It's not like they are sitting on them Vegas waiting for a reason to start selling them.

 

[Tenacious-D]

's not like they are sitting on them Vegas waiting for a reason to start selling them.

I read this as 'It's not like they're sitting on them at Vegas waiting for a reason to start selling them".

Suddenly, my brain was filled with images of Lisa Su sitting on top of a pile of Vega chips playing with the slot machines at Caesars Palace. Every time she won, a bigger crowd gathered. Jen-Hsun Huang was also playing, but his luck had run out.

"I wish I could see your face," she said, "I bet it's not happy".

"Is it me, or... is this on the internet?" He replied.

Little did he know, it was. AMD's master-plan was going into fruition.

AMD, hire me to do your marketing. I do gud.

Spoiler

Where was I going with this? I think I should write an AMD-Nvidia erotic fan fiction, set in Vegas. It could be the next Twilight.

 

[Chiggs]

http://techfrag.com/2016/05/19/amd-polaris-10-11-specs-hit-web-8-gb-gddr5x-memory-clocked-7-gbps/

More juicy bits about AMD’s upcoming Polaris 10 and Polaris 11 GPUs have leaked out ahead of the June 1st launch, revealing specs and other features.

According to the leak, the Polaris 10 GPU features 32 compute units (CUs), with each CU comprising of 64 shaders on Polaris for a total of 2,048 shaders. The memory system would see GDDR5/X connected through a 256-bit bus. Graphics cards would feature as much as 8GB of memory that will be initially clocked at 7 Gbps.

Further, the 8 GB GDDR5X delivers a total of 224 GB/s memory bandwidth on Polaris. For comparison, the existing Hawaii-based R9 390X features twice the GDDR5X’s memory bus, that is 512-bit GDDR5 bus which results in memory bandwidth of 384 GB/s on Hawaii.

Along with fewer shaders and less memory bandwidth, Polaris 10 features lower TFLOPS value as well – 5.5 TFLOPS vesus R9 390X’s 5.9. However, the Polaris 10 GPU uses much less power with TDP rated at no more than 150 watts. Which allows the GPU to easily win the performance per watt race!

This appears to meet AMD’s claims that the Polaris architecture will be a “true generation leap,” and would offer gamers a sweet deal in terms of performance per dollar.

Not much new...but if GDDR5X is used, these cards could be interesting at $299-329.

 

[Ozorov]

http://techfrag.com/2016/05/19/amd-polaris-10-11-specs-hit-web-8-gb-gddr5x-memory-clocked-7-gbps/



Not much new...but if GDDR5X is used, these cards could be interesting at $299-329.

Isn't 7Gbps kinda slow-isch?

 

[Bl@de]

Especially in DX12 Polaris 10 will curbstomp the 1070.

 

[dgrdsv]

Isn't 7Gbps kinda slow-isch?

Yes for NV, no for AMD. AMD's fastest GDDR5 controller is running on 6Gbps tops at the moment so a 7Gbps figure would be an improvement. They don't need GDDR5X for such speeds though.

There are a couple other dubious points in this post though. Like 1st of June launch - this hasn't been confirmed anywhere yet. Or that at 5.5TF @ 150W it will win some performance per watt race which is already false with 1070's 6.5TF in the same 150W package.

 

[Locuza]

http://techfrag.com/2016/05/19/amd-polaris-10-11-specs-hit-web-8-gb-gddr5x-memory-clocked-7-gbps/

Not much new...but if GDDR5X is used, these cards could be interesting at $299-329.

That's wrong speculations based on the mobile rebranding and remixed from various news outlets.
There is no 7 Gbps GDDR5X memory available from Micron and possibly never will, because GDDR5 goes up to 8 Gbps.
https://www.micron.com/products/dram/gddr/gddr5-part-catalog#/

 

[Chiggs]

That's wrong speculations based on the mobile rebranding and remixed from various news outlets.
There is no 7 Gbps GDDR5X memory available from Micron and possibly never will, because GDDR5 goes up to 8 Gbps.
https://www.micron.com/products/dram/gddr/gddr5-part-catalog#/

Thanks for the info. Well, this certainly makes the Polaris debut even more of a mystery. Hell, if they've got nothing potent for the mainstream on June 1st, silence would seem to be the more preferable strategy.

 

[Deleted member 465307]

Thanks for the info. Well, this certainly makes the Polaris debut even more of a mystery. Hell, if they've got nothing potent for the mainstream on June 1st, silence would seem to be the more preferable strategy.

Mainstream? That's exactly the group AMD said they're targeting. Did you mean enthusiast crowd? Or by "potent" did you mean something high-performance (Fury X, 980Ti level) at the mainstream market price of <$300?

 

[Chiggs]

Mainstream? That's exactly the group AMD said they're targeting. Did you mean enthusiast crowd? Or by "potent" did you mean something high-performance (Fury X, 980Ti level) at the mainstream market price of <$300?

Something potent that will be north of 390/390x performance. If they can't deliver something like that, or wow people with the price, their strategy--even though intentional--will backfire massively.

No one is expecting anything from AMD to rival the 1080 (in June).

 

[chaosblade]

Something potent that will be north of 390/390x performance. If they can't deliver something like that, or wow people with the price, their strategy--even though intentional--will backfire massively.

No one is expecting anything from AMD to rival the 1080 (in June).

Based on a lot of posts I've seen around here, you might be surprised. Quite a few people in various hardware speculation threads are dead set on Polaris being high end solely because it's new, and every 1080/1070 thread gets people talking or asking about Polaris being competitive with them.

 

[SlimySnake]

http://techfrag.com/2016/05/19/amd-polaris-10-11-specs-hit-web-8-gb-gddr5x-memory-clocked-7-gbps/

More juicy bits about AMD’s upcoming Polaris 10 and Polaris 11 GPUs have leaked out ahead of the June 1st launch, revealing specs and other features.

According to the leak, the Polaris 10 GPU features 32 compute units (CUs), with each CU comprising of 64 shaders on Polaris for a total of 2,048 shaders. The memory system would see GDDR5/X connected through a 256-bit bus. Graphics cards would feature as much as 8GB of memory that will be initially clocked at 7 Gbps.

Further, the 8 GB GDDR5X delivers a total of 224 GB/s memory bandwidth on Polaris. For comparison, the existing Hawaii-based R9 390X features twice the GDDR5X’s memory bus, that is 512-bit GDDR5 bus which results in memory bandwidth of 384 GB/s on Hawaii.
Along with fewer shaders and less memory bandwidth, Polaris 10 features lower TFLOPS value as well – 5.5 TFLOPS vesus R9 390X’s 5.9. However, the Polaris 10 GPU uses much less power with TDP rated at no more than 150 watts. Which allows the GPU to easily win the performance per watt race!

This appears to meet AMD’s claims that the Polaris architecture will be a “true generation leap,” and would offer gamers a sweet deal in terms of performance per dollar.

Not much new...but if GDDR5X is used, these cards could be interesting at $299-329.

Isnt the bolded pretty much the same as the specs that were leaked for the PS4 Neo? What kind of performance are we looking at for a 36 CU GPU?

 

[3pic]

AMD has just officially confirmed press conference on June 1st, which is likely to include Radeon 400 series launch.

http://videocardz.com/60185/amd-to-...ng-computex-2016-press-conference-and-webcast

 

[K' Dash]

AMD has just officially confirmed press conference on June 1st, which is likely to include Radeon 400 series launch.

http://videocardz.com/60185/amd-to-...ng-computex-2016-press-conference-and-webcast

Perfect, if they show something on par with the 1070/980ti for a fair price, then I'll go Red this time.

$600-$700 for a new GPU is fucking ridiculous.

 

[K' Dash]

No one is expecting anything from AMD to rival the 1080 (in June).

Why not? Do you know something we don't?

DP, sorry.

 

[General Lee]

Why not? Do you know something we don't?

DP, sorry.

AMD has been hinting that Polaris isn't designed to compete in the high end, but increase the VR capable market.

If they're mentioning the APU launch but not Polaris launch, the best I'd expect is a paper launch similar to what Nvidia had, and availability in July.

 

[evlcookie]

Why not? Do you know something we don't?

DP, sorry.

Because they have been pretty much saying it from the start. Polaris 10/11 that we are getting is aiming at the mainstream, not the high end.

As someone else pointed out, AMD is going for the 86% of steam users who are using cards under the $300 mark. They aren't going for the 980ti/1080/titan users.

At this stage, Vega late this year or next year is going to be the high end card with HBM2.

 

[Chiggs]

Because they have been pretty much saying it from the start. Polaris 10/11 that we are getting is aiming at the mainstream, not the high end.

As someone else pointed out, AMD is going for the 86% of steam users who are using cards under the $300 mark. They aren't going for the 980ti/1080/titan users.

At this stage, Vega late this year or next year is going to be the high end card with HBM2.

Don't rule out the October surprise just yet...but yeah, probably next year.

 

[K' Dash]

AMD has been hinting that Polaris isn't designed to compete in the high end, but increase the VR capable market.

If they're mentioning the APU launch but not Polaris launch, the best I'd expect is a paper launch similar to what Nvidia had, and availability in July.

Because they have been pretty much saying it from the start. Polaris 10/11 that we are getting is aiming at the mainstream, not the high end.

As someone else pointed out, AMD is going for the 86% of steam users who are using cards under the $300 mark. They aren't going for the 980ti/1080/titan users.

At this stage, Vega late this year or next year is going to be the high end card with HBM2.

Thank you, haven't been following AMD closely.

 

[irfaanator]

The question I have is that I have a 7950 and am looking to upgrade but not sure if I should bite the bullet on the polaris 10/11 or just wait till Vega comes out

 

[roadrunn3r]

The question I have is that I have a 7950 and am looking to upgrade but not sure if I should bite the bullet on the polaris 10/11 or just wait till Vega comes out

7950 to 390/390X levels of performance is not a bad jump. It depends on how much are you wanting to spend really. If budget isn't an issue, I wouldn't get anything lower than a 1070 (or Vega equivalent when it's out) though.

 

[Chiggs]

Here's a negative article for all you doom 'n gloomers:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3976331-amd-polaris-delays-prove-fatal

 

[Renekton]

Here's a negative article for all you doom 'n gloomers:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3976331-amd-polaris-delays-prove-fatal

Bleh the site is forcing me to download their malware.

Basically it is saying Nvidia's early time-to-market (thanks to FE early-adopters tax) for higher segment means AMD is royally screwed.

 

[Ozorov]

AMD has just officially confirmed press conference on June 1st, which is likely to include Radeon 400 series launch.

Nothing new really, just confirmed.

 

[Cow Mengde]

As someone who doesn't buy high end, I'm feeling more excited with AMD than Nvidia. Still, it's gonna be hard to make a fair comparison if one company releases high end, while the other releases mainstream.

 

[mrklaw]

Perfect, if they show something on par with the 1070/980ti for a fair price, then I'll go Red this time.

$600-$700 for a new GPU is fucking ridiculous.

But 1070 isn't $600-700?

The rumours don't seem to point to anything competing with the 1080, so similar to 1070 is likely the most optimistic hope. More likely it'll slot in below 1070 in performance and price. Which is fine. The only question is whether the costerformance ratio is better or worse than the 1070.

 

[Marlenus]

Why not? Do you know something we don't?

DP, sorry.

As others have said AMD is targeting a different segment first.

A top end estimate for P10 is probably around Fury X give or take a bit. If the $299 rumour is true, and performance lands there, it would be very good value for money.

Then there is the cut down GPU, probably around 390-390x perf which could come in at something like $229/$239 and would give a VR capable GPU to the more budget minded crowd.

These estimates line up with AMDs statements, their perf/watt metric, previous die shrinks and the die size rumour.

If the top P10 is Fury X level that would make it a very close competitor to the 1070 and might force NV to drop prices. I said it before but it feels very similar to the GTX 280 / GTX 260 vs the 4870 and 4850. The 4870 was slower than the 280 but was far far cheaper and it forced NV into significant price cuts, and that is why competition is important.

 

[Zojirushi]

I just realized that the 7970 (Ghz Ed.) launched at 499USD in 2012, regular 7970 even at 549USD couple months earlier.

How the fuck was I able to buy one for around 320€ new in late 2012???

 

[dgrdsv]

A top end estimate for P10 is probably around Fury X give or take a bit. If the $299 rumour is true, and performance lands there, it would be very good value for money.

The fastest P10 we've seen yet is 5.5TF with 224GB/s of bandwidth.
Fury X is 8.6TF with 512GB/s of bandwidth.
I don't know why you still expect it to be on Fury X level when all signs are that it will be somewhere around R390/GF980.

 

[Renekton]

The fastest P10 we've seen yet is 5.5TF with 224GB/s of bandwidth.
Fury X is 8.6TF with 512GB/s of bandwidth.
I don't know why you still expect it to be on Fury X level when all signs are that it will be somewhere around R390/GF980.

Hm that's same or less shaders than PS4 Neo.