I'm still betting it falls somewhere in between them.
AMD Radeon Fury X Series | HBM, Small Form Factor And Water Cooling | June 16th
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Nope, it will be better than the titan x by at least 10%.
EmptySpace
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290x are still very expensive. there's like almost a 100-dollar difference between it and 970...
this card is going to be hella expensive, isn't it?
this card is going to be hella expensive, isn't it?
Yeah, but still much cheaper than the nVidia equivalents.
Expecting the same, but if does that's great for those in the market. The reality is AMD hasn't come out with a card that completely trounced NV's flagship in quite awhile.
I expect them to deliver in a big way as far as price/performance is concerned though
here it is only around 30€ more for the 290x.
or 80€ more for the 8gb vram version.
that's tiny, If it can rival that GTX980 I will have to ask what black magic/ voodoo are they using.
water cooling and hbm!?
version without water cooling will be longer.
The certainty in this post - belief or ...?
Irobot82
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Well the Titan X has 3072 gpu cores/shader core/cuda cores, whatever you want to call them. Strong rumors point out that the 390x will have 4096.
The 290X has 2816 and the 980 has 2048. We know the 290X is just a little slower than the 980. So just by counting cores it "looks" like the 390X should beat the Titan X. Not factoring in architecture improvement, HBM, etc.
NoMoreTrolls
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Hmmm... Just bought a GTX 970, but I'll be keeping an eye on this. If I need to upgrade my card in a year or two for the new hotness, so be it.
No, that one pic is fake. It's an attempt to show a straight on angle of the card based on the other pic which is real.
http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-irhome
Click "Product Roadmaps" under "Quick Links". That pic is in the PDF
Edit: Saving people the trouble of downloading it..
What? 290x can be had for cheaper than a 970, for under $300 in some cases.
...um. What? Not that I was talking about the 290X, but that is what I was saying - the AMD equivalent cards are always cheaper than nVidia's. Thus, as I said, the 390X will be cheaper than the nVidia equivalent (Titan X, I suppose? 980 TI maybe).
The 290X was better than any nvidia offering at launch.
It wasn't faster than Titan, traded blows yes. And it was only due to the ridiculously loud (on the stock cooler) Uber mode. Some people here are saying the new card will beat Titan X by 10%, that kind of defeat hasn't happened in ages.
The cooler on reference 290Xs was so sub par I had a hard time recommending it over the 780 at the time (even if the 780 was slower). It took them more than two months to get the non-reference cards out, and by that time Nvidia released the faster 780 Ti
Hopefully this round of cards comes with non-reference options available on day 1, if not AMD better drastically improve on the reference cooler...
The 290x is better than the titan, according to many benchmarks. It's also better than the 780 (non Ti). The 290x was the reason NVIDIA released the 780 ti... Even then, in some games, the 780 ti and 290x traded blows. Obviously, the 780 ti is better overall, but in recent games the 290x is really putting its weight to the table.
In addition, after market coolers for the 290x pretty much made the noise and heat problem obsolete. I have a Sapphire Tri-x 290x that is as silent as my Zotac gtx 970. It also runs as cool as the 970. Now for watt usage... that's another different discussion... lol.
I was mainly going by launch reviews - apparently Nvidia have dropped the ball on Kepler driver optimizations since Maxwell's release and the AMD cards have pulled further ahead in recent games, especially at 4K.
Aftermarket coolers indeed made the noise and heat issues no longer relevant - but as I said, it took them awhile to get those out... way too long. I hope that doesn't happen again. Nvidia had non-reference options available on day one with Maxwell launch - AMD needs to do the same.
Lol sorry quoted wrong post. Meant to quote the post saying 290x is $100 more expensive than a 970.
KillaKalz347
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Highly doubt it, this card will have over 4000 shaders and HBM, that alone will allow this card to trump the Titan X, and be cooler than it as well.
Some kind of efficiency miracle or physics-defying is needed to beat the raw die size of the GM200 part, and top quality drivers too.
The thing about HBM is we might be more core-limited than BW-limited.
See the post directly above your post.
And this post. Even if the 390x was using gddr5 it would be faster than the titan x.
The latest rumor is that the 390x will top out at 4GB. The person who posted this rumor is an established tech writer so he probably isn't a liar. His source for the info may or may not be wrong, however.
I hope the source is wrong because a flagship product of 4GB for 2015 is pretty sad for everyone
I hope the source is wrong because a flagship product of 4GB for 2015 is pretty sad for everyone
Fachasaurus
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It's driving me crazy that there is no information on this. I am so ready to pull the trigger on the Titan X, but if this thing actually lives up to the hype, I would rather put that money in AMD.
I want to support them so badly but they make it so hard sometimes!!!
I want to support them so badly but they make it so hard sometimes!!!
4GB of HBM. If it is 4 GB it's probably tech limited rather than AMD not wanting to go higher.
We will know within a month, buying any cards now when new cards are launching by end of June would be shortsighted.
dgrdsv
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No. 980 is beating 290X while having twice less memory bus. A hypothetical Fiji with GDDR5 would likely be slower than GM200.
As for the rest - I think they'll clock it so that it will beat TitanX slightly - that's why they have the WCE edition. But it is unknown if the regular air cooled edition will be able to do the same. Performance is not just shader numbers.
michaelius
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Are you actual industry insider or is your "knowledge" based on few leaked benchmarks from chinese sites which can be totally fake ?
Dictator93
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WHere are you getting your numbers from?
The extrapolated core count for the 390x does not necessarily put it in the ranges you are saying it is in.
GhostTrick
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I just wonder something... if it has a waterblock, do you need a watercooling system ???
Coulomb_Barrier
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Yeah I read an estimate of the 390X's performance extrapolated from its rumoured specs (that seem all but confirmed) and the estimate, even without factoring the perf boost from HBM, came out faster than the Titan X.
Coulomb_Barrier
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No it has an all-in-one water cooling system similar to the 295X2. You just find a place to stick the small heatsink on your case's fan mounts.
It will come as all-in-one package, same as 295x2 [just checked, it fell to $620 on newegg]. All that user needs to do is to insert the GPU into motherboard and find the place where cooler can be atached on the PC case.
Coulomb_Barrier
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Here I believe:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...feature-8-6tflops-performance-8gb-hbm-memory/
Obviously this is no confirmation, but I think the specs leaked here are more or less confirmed now, so the extrapolation may be on the money.
GhostTrick
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Coulomb_Barrier
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Wow ! Sound easy !!
Yeah I'm happy that the 390X will have an AIO water cooling system version as this means less noise and lower temps. The same cooling system manages to tame the heat produced from the 295X2 (and then some) whilst offering low noise under load:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7930/the-amd-radeon-r9-295x2-review/17
cyen
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I have little doubt that at least in 4k the 390x will perform better than the titanX, i think that by how much is the question here. GCN architecture scales perfectly with core increase so even without hbm and architectural optimizations they would be neck to neck if you do the math and assuming that the 390x will have 4096sp. If the latest rumours are true they will use a dual link interposer allowing 8gb HBM with a whopping 640GB/s bandwidth, almost doubling the bandwidth of Titan X.
The GM200 is a good chip but Nvidia wanted the best performance per watt, i would prefer the best performance, because (at least myself) people that want the high end stuff doesnt care about power consumption. Since Volta is still a year away this could be the first time in years that AMD will have the lead in the High End segment.
Only if the 390x have an extremly low core clock (less than 1000mhz) i could see the GM200 getting neck to neck with 390X.
In my own experience (since i have a GM200 core) and by reading other users reports the GM200 generally max out at 1400mhz when overclocking, so nvidia last card at 28nm will probably be a high core clock 980ti and nothing more in the high end segment until Volta since the GM200 is the biggest chip they can produce in 28nm (and probably very expensive to tap).
The GM200 is a good chip but Nvidia wanted the best performance per watt, i would prefer the best performance, because (at least myself) people that want the high end stuff doesnt care about power consumption. Since Volta is still a year away this could be the first time in years that AMD will have the lead in the High End segment.
Only if the 390x have an extremly low core clock (less than 1000mhz) i could see the GM200 getting neck to neck with 390X.
In my own experience (since i have a GM200 core) and by reading other users reports the GM200 generally max out at 1400mhz when overclocking, so nvidia last card at 28nm will probably be a high core clock 980ti and nothing more in the high end segment until Volta since the GM200 is the biggest chip they can produce in 28nm (and probably very expensive to tap).
Don't you have to like change the water or something? I know nothing of watercooling.
No, modern all-in-one water blooks come pre-made and ready for plug and play use. Entire waterblook system is closed, and futhermore it has fluid that has less pressure than air. After years of work if some micro cracks appear, liquid will not leak out, but air will leak in into the water pipes.
Even with all that, I don't think liquid cooling will ever be used in home consoles. But for home GPU use, especially high end ones, this will become common because PC gamers are ready to pay for premium.
That's pretty cool.
I'm going to be keeping an eye on these to see how the 380x scales against the 290x. At 2560x1440 my old 6950 clocked to 6970 is struggling a little. I was going to get a 970 or a 290x but with this launch just 6 weeks away I'd rather wait and see. If nothing else it'll upset the prices.
*sigh* if the Witcher 3 came out later.
Big reason why I went with a 780 instead of the 290/290x plus power consumption.