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AMD Radeon RX 9070 expected to start at $479, available as soon as late January (Update: Radeon 9000 series go on sale in late March)
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Brigandier
Member
I highly doubt AMD have anything worth a damn compared to Nvidia, Surely they'd be screaming the house down if they did?.
The silence from them is deafening and embarrassing tbh, Almost as embarrassing as some of the AMD defense force in this thread.
If they have a 5070ti competitor with good RT performance at a great price I will be very surprised.
It's the same shit every single generation that AMD are back and Nvidia are in trouble lol.... AMD haven't had a real hit winner since the 7970?
The silence from them is deafening and embarrassing tbh, Almost as embarrassing as some of the AMD defense force in this thread.
If they have a 5070ti competitor with good RT performance at a great price I will be very surprised.
It's the same shit every single generation that AMD are back and Nvidia are in trouble lol.... AMD haven't had a real hit winner since the 7970?
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
The leaks all point to a card that's anywhere from a 7900 GRE to a 7900 XTX. 7900 XT performance with better RT and ML-based FSR4 seems like a decent expectation based on the data. So ~4070 Ti Super, which is currently a $750-800 card.
b0uncyfr0
Member
This is the fear. Maybe they finally have game changer and wanna build up anticipation?
Really hard to tell atm.
DirtInUrEye
Member
Lol my kid plays the majority of his games in 1440p with an RX 7600! It depends on the game doesn't it.
These arbitrary denominations lack technical nuance, of which there is a lot of in PC gaming.
llien
Banned
"In RT" is unobtanium. When 5-15% diff on average in RT is not "the same ballpark", nor will 10-15% faster be.
There will always be a sponsored game to call out and claim "see <insert random description clairifying why that specific games is the one that matters> it is still behind".
llien
Banned
MarV0
Gold Member
Why post actual facts? Just post some retarded meme that Gaf smooth brains love.
Whether that's a justified money investment for AMD is a different story.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
What do you mean why?
The 7900XTX was better than the 4080 in rast performance and was $200 cheaper (before the 4080S came out) and got thoroughly outsold by the 4080.
The 7900XT was better than the 4070 Ti in performance and sold rather poorly. Although AMD badly overpriced that card.
The worst example is the 7800XT being outsold drastically by thew 4070.
People are drawn to nvidia (for good reason) and that is who people buy when things are similar.
In order for AMD to get some marketshare (and yes this does matter as it will encourage more competition) they need to price things aggressively and be able to tell people who want ray tracing and good upscaling that AMD is a valid option, they must get buyers.
Again, if the performance is truly competitive in rast with a 4080, FSR4 ends up being quite good and ray tracing is on par with a 4070 Ti, then AMD can price it at $600.
Wolzard
Member
I think Cyberpunk is pretty weak, compared to what Naughty Dog, Guerrilla, Dice and Ubisoft Massive managed to deliver.
As I said, there's not much point in the tool being good if the artists are bad. Most of what we see are games with RT that even look like downgrade compared to the raster format.
The RT solution may make the job of doing this in real time easier, but it doesn't mean it will solve all the problems or it's something that necessarily makes the game more beautiful.
Radical_3d
Member
Isn’t already late January? I’m starting to feel like a Nintendo fanboy.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Im all for saving developers time, which is what RT supposedly does, but are the cost savings worth the loss in buyers and/or optimizarion time needed to get those modes running on acceptably or not running due to many PC Gamers still using non-RT capable GPUs.
llien
Banned
Price diff was even bigger with 6000 vs 3000 series.
One cannot beat ignorance and bullshit with better products. One could lose quite a bit of income though.
Here is how things look like in DIY market, in Germany.
| GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super | 2655 pcs | 13.0% | 5.8% |
| GeForce RTX 4070 Ti | 970 pcs | 4.8% | 2.1% |
Here is the 7900XT from the same retailer (eat holds 25% of DE market)
| Radeon RX 7900 XT | 3295 pcs | 13.4% | 7.3% |
I would not call that "sold poorly", but things look very different in OEM market.
At least in Germany, DIY market shows a picture that is quite different from Steam (which doesn't paint 1 to 9 either, mind you):
| Sales (units) | AMD | nVidia | Intel | overall | AMD | nVidia | Intel |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Q1/2023 | 22'430 pcs | 25'110 pcs | 190 pcs | 47'730 pcs | 47.0% | 52.6% | 0.4% |
| Q2/2023 | 19'140 pcs | 18'320 pcs | 240 pcs | 37'700 pcs | 50.8% | 48.6% | 0.6% |
| Q3/2023 | 22'580 pcs | 19'370 pcs | 200 pcs | 42'150 pcs | 53.6% | 45.9% | 0.5% |
| Q4/2023 | 36'250 pcs | 25'400 pcs | 380 pcs | 62'030 pcs | 58.4% | 41.0% | 0.6% |
| Q1/2024 | 24'510 pcs | 20'420 pcs | 480 pcs | 45'410 pcs | 53.9% | 45.0% | 1.1% |
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
One store in one country. What a sad excuse of a poster you are.
Facts from 2 generations ago? When NVIDIA was trouncing AMD in performance per watt just this generation?
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Buggy Loop
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//DEVIL//
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AFBT88
Member
AMD needs market share, they have to price their cards accordingly. Just being comparable to Nvidia isn't enough. They should outperform Nvidia at a much lower price to convince people to go with Radeon. I hope it is comparable to 4080 at raster and can atleast match 4070s at RT. That and a good price would be the best we can hope for.
llien
Banned
No, there is no price cure to "I have that one game in which it performs times slower".
Such people are non-redeemable, pricing cards less is just lowering profits for no reason.
AFBT88
Member
No, you are simply wrong.
MikeM
Member
March??? Nvidia releases at the end of this month lol and stock is already sitting with retailers
llien
Banned
Yes, I'm simply right.
Instead of wasting money chasing greenboi, they will be better off spending more money sponsoring games, or maybe take over the b*tches from PF etc.
Doing other wonderful stuff, like paying sites for each mention of th company.
Yeah. I mean "in February" is totally not before end of Jan indeed. (5070)
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AFBT88
Member
Market says otherwise. AMD either cant price their cards lower or they don't want to. What's certain is that they are losing badly to Nvidia. That you cant argue about.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
WTF, March? Those cards have been sitting in storage rooms for a week…
llien
Banned
Nvidia: 5070 coming.... in February!
AMD: Hold my penis.
So find other strategies to buy green stuff for less. AMD has obviously learned a lesson.
AMD: Hold my penis.
Market says 3050 outsold 6600, a full fucking tier faster yet cheaper and cooler card 4 to 1.
So find other strategies to buy green stuff for less. AMD has obviously learned a lesson.
llien
Banned
More like one. And I suspect, unless FSR 4 is one of the reasons for the delay, reviews can be brought forward, if NV opens the 5070 cards in early Feb.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Imagine, retailers have bought the cards. They are stuck with it for over a month now. I can't imagine they are pleased.
What's the hold up? Blackwell is announced and priced. Certainly AMD doesn't have to wait for hardware unboxed review to determine where to place their card prices... prices that they probably made retailers PAY already as they are in the fucking store! Changing price at this stage is a monumental fuckup.
FSR 4 not ready? Didn't stop them for FSR 3 and RDNA 3.
I don't think the point of RT is to solve all problems in computer graphics, but to solve one particular problem: how to realistically simulate the interaction of light in a scene.
AFBT88
Member
Market says Nvidia is in a much better position because it produces products that people are actually buying. If AMD has better cards and people are just buying Nvidia because of Nvidia marketing then AMD is doing a piss poor job at representing their products. But i doubt that's the case, they simply cant compete with Nvidia because they are worse at producing GPUs. Sometimes the reasoning is so simple yet ignorant people like you cant just accept the facts.
BattleScar
Member
AMD could price their GPUs for free, and people would still buy Nvidia instead.
Why should they give up margins and profits on what little they sell, because morons continue to buy products that are objectively worse value for money.
So point out where the 3050 is a better product than the 6600?
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AFBT88
Member
And why do you think that's the case?
kryptokatalyst
Neo Member
.MARCH?
llien
Banned
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Well, that was not a roaring success of a launch hehe.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Sounds like they're waiting on 5070 reviews.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
I have a hard time imagining AMD engineers are not more apt to determine performance ranges of Nvidia than waiting on hardware unboxed reviews
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
More of a marketing issue. Nvidia was bullshitting with their "5070 is a 4090". In fact, at least initially, everything they showed was bullshit metrics. The only real bench they showed was later on with HFW. AMD is waiting to show that the 5070 is like a 4070 Ti or 4070 Ti Super.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
I don't see how waiting for March helps in any way
If 5070 underperforms then they know it. They can price their cards and release it in a couple of weeks and claim dominance over a 5070.
I still think they'll have issues for themselves by trying to say that competitor has fake frames, without undermining their AFMF and probably even an upcoming AI one in the cards. Attacking "fake" frames is a surefire way to also be a target in the not too distant future. So if a 5070 with fake frames is a 4090 (bullshit I know), they still have to find a way to convince peoples that their product is worth it (for $50 less).
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MikeM
Member
5090 and 5080 come out Jan 30th.
llien
Banned
If you were implying that 9070 is somehow supposed to compete with 5090, I'm afraid I'm not drunk enough to appreciate it.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
The point is to wait for the actual benchmarks instead of Nvidia's misleading marketing. They should launch it when 5070 launches.I don't see how waiting for March helps in any way
If 5070 underperforms then they know it. They can price their cards and release it in a couple of weeks and claim dominance over a 5070.
I still think they'll have issues for themselves by trying to say that competitor has fake frames, without undermining their AFMF and probably even an upcoming AI one in the cards. Attacking "fake" frames is a surefire way to also be a target in the not too distant future. So if a 5070 with fake frames is a 4090 (bullshit I know), they still have to find a way to convince peoples that their product is worth it (for $50 less).
What do think the reason is?
MikeM
Member
You just said that.
All I said were the new cards are coming out at the end of this month.
llien
Banned
Why did you mention irrelevant cards coming somewhere at the end of this month?
(5090 in "very very small numbers", go figure about meh 5080 that will barely beat 4080 and certainly won't beat 4090)
TheRedRiders
Member
Jesus Christ, what the fuck are AMD doing?
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
They should have been on the offensive. And that goes back even to CES.
Confident in your product. State your performances and price. Fuck Nvidia. Peoples benchmark it, find a good value, it might even steal thunder from 5090 & 5080 end of month launch as maybe just for bang for the buck peoples transfer to AMD.
Now they can't
I don't know but r/AMD is not being nice about it. Its a fucking megaton explosion over there.
TheRedRiders
Member
Thanks for letting me know, I'm going to get my popcorn ready now...
llien
Banned
Has 2 million subscribers, many of them greenboi disappointed about not being able to buy green stuff for less..
