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[mansoor1980]

Next year sometime, presumably Q1 of 2021.

so no card from AMD to compete with the 3060ti when it launches next month?

 

[Dr.D00p]

Added driver level extras such as....? I'm honestly curious. If you mean the CUDA stuff for productivity performance then yeah I agree that is a huge advantage Nvidia has at the moment in Blender etc..

Stuff like Nvidia Ansel, DLSS, Nvidia PhysX extras in games (older titles mainly, Batman games, Witcher 3,) much better OpenGL drivers (important for Modern 3D emulators), and almost certainly superior RT performance

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

so no card from AMD to compete with the 3060ti when it launches next month?

Presumably no, although if they launch in Jan or Feb next year that is really only a 1-2 month difference

 

[mansoor1980]

Presumably no, although if they launch in Jan or Feb next year that is really only a 1-2 month difference

nvidia has a marketing deal on cyberpunk 2077 dont they?the 3060ti wud be a very popular gpu next month i think

 

[Ascend]

Spoiler

Don't get too excited. It's premiering in a bit

 

[GaviotaGrande]

Where are the benchmarks?! I will eat all my popcorn before the show even begins, damnit!

 

[llien]

so no card from AMD to compete with the 3060ti when it launches next month?

3060 or so was supposed to launch end of October, now postponed to December and god knows what happens later on and what actual availability will be.
I doubt AMD would drag it way beyond Jan.

 

[Antitype]

Since when is raytracing a dealbreaker for PC gaming? People wants to play 60fps in 4k at ultra settings

Next gen is finally here, now that the consoles are RT capable, AAA going forward will all be raster+RT hybrid. And the more RT effects there will be the bigger the difference between RTX and RX will be (Metro's fps delta is huge, Control is likely going to be even bigger). If all you care about is raster performance then AMD's offering is a good fit, but if we're talking about all around high end.. well that's Nvidia again this gen. So it's not a dealbreaker per se, it really depends what you want out of your GPU. Personally I wouldn't pass on RT now that I got to experience it. I went from a 1080ti to a 3080 and RTX+DLSS is just too good to pass up IMO.

 

[llien]

Spoiler

Don't get too excited. It's premiering in a bit

I think they've started 1 hour too early.

 

[Soulblighter31]

Spoiler

Don't get too excited. It's premiering in a bit

Seems to be around 5 to 10% slower than a 3080 at 4k. Reasonable choice if its would sell for at least 100 dollars less than a 3080.

 

[Tripolygon]

Look at that GPU clock speed

 

[llien]

Reasonable choice if its would sell for at least 100 dollars less than a 3080.

On top of 3080 being a virtual product that has barely any availability, 6800XT has solid VRAM amount that more than warrants its price even if 3080 was not a paper launch.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

On top of 3080 being a virtual product that has barely any availability, 6800XT has solid VRAM amount that more than warrants its price even if 3080 was not a paper launch.

 

[Soulblighter31]

On top of 3080 being a virtual product that has barely any availability, 6800XT has solid VRAM amount that more than warrants its price even if 3080 was not a paper launch.

It has vram that its not needed as of now, lacks performance in ray tracing, lacks dlss to counter the impact ray tracing induces, will probably have unstable drivers. Its absolutely not deserving of the same price of a 3080 when you're getting better everything outside of vram

 

[regawdless]

It has vram that its not needed as of now, lacks performance in ray tracing, lacks dlss to counter the impact ray tracing induces, will probably have unstable drivers. Its absolutely not deserving of the same price of a 3080 when you're getting better everything outside of vram

Also the VRAM is way slower, that's to consider as well. It's not just a number.

Very curious about the raytracing benchmarks.

 

[Dr.D00p]

Also the VRAM is way slower,

That's why it has the 128Mb of 'Infinity Cache'...to get around the speed deficit of Nvidia's faster VRAM, apparently.

 

[regawdless]

That's why it has the 128Mb of 'Infinity Cache'...to get around the speed deficit of Nvidia's faster VRAM, apparently.

True. I just wanted to express that it's more complicated than only having one number that tells the whole story.

30 minutes to for then we'll know more!

 

[Antitype]

That's why it has the 128Mb of 'Infinity Cache'...to get around the speed deficit of Nvidia's faster VRAM, apparently.

Issue with that is that it's tuned for 1440p. At 4k and probably ultra wide resolutions, it loses its effectiveness, whereas fast VRAM remains as effective.

 

[ZywyPL]

Spoiler

Don't get too excited. It's premiering in a bit

So that recent rumor about 2.5Ghz and around 60 Celcius degrees seems to be indeed true. And we're talking about normally sized cards. Impressive.

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

Should we make a new thread for reviews/benchmarks or is everyone happy sticking with this one?

Only 15 mins away until embargo lifts.

 

[mansoor1980]

Should we make a new thread for reviews/benchmarks or is everyone happy sticking with this one?

Only 15 mins away until embargo lifts.

this one shud be fine

 

[MadYarpen]

Should we make a new thread for reviews/benchmarks or is everyone happy sticking with this one?

Only 15 mins away until embargo lifts.

If someone makes an effort to prepare some OP and keep it updated, otherwise this thread is fine. IMO.

 

[Pagusas]

Should we make a new thread for reviews/benchmarks or is everyone happy sticking with this one?

Only 15 mins away until embargo lifts.

i say new official thread

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

Alright screw it, I'll make a new one super quickly and add to it as we go

 

[ZywyPL]

Should we make a new thread for reviews/benchmarks or is everyone happy sticking with this one?

Only 15 mins away until embargo lifts.

Separate dedicated thread would be much appreciated if you ask me.

 

[supernova8]

He has had the most accurate leaks regarding RDNA2, so... Yeah...

Sure but this video is literally him talking for fucking ages (almost 20 minutes) about two videocardz.com leaks when it would take less than 5 minutes to just read them.

 

[Md Ray]

How long for reviews to hit? 8 mins to go?

 

[MadYarpen]

AMD Radeon RX6800/RX6800XT Reviews/Benchmarks Thread |OT|

Welcome to the official thread for independent 3rd party reviews/benchmarks for the AMD Radeon RX6000 series of GPUs. Offical Site/Specs/Details https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-6800 https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt Launch Date: 18th of...

www.neogaf.com

Jump in says AquaticSquirrel

 

[Rentahamster]

it is not like they are trying to trick people into buying millions of cards before the truth is revealed.

Actually, it literally IS that.


The cards are probably good so it's not that big a deal, but it literally is withholding (third party verified) truth so that customers buy based off of hype and not data, essentially tricking them.

 

[BluRayHiDef]

I'm watching Hardware Unboxed's review of the RX 6800 XT and thus far the card is consistently faster than the RTX 3080 at 1440p and either equal or slightly slower at 4K.

Also, it's only slightly slower than the RTX 3090 at both 1440p and 4K, which indicates that the RX 6900 XT will be consistently faster than the RTX 3090 (barring driver updates).

 

[DemonCleaner]

ray tracing performance in WD: Legion

RT6800XT slightly winning against RTX 3800 in 1440p:

and slightly losing in 4K:

bodes well for console RT perf.

payed 760Euro for a 6800 non-xt in a (once again) preorder shitshow today.

only done that to bring you some RT testing, to see if it's really as bad as 2060Super @ XSeriesX Clocks (spoiler: it's not)


edit - well maybe not so much:

LOLOLOLOL



Great isn't it?

But look here...


Console RT quality on AMD

 

[M1chl]

RT sucks, as expected.

And that AMD Smart Access Memory is MS technology, later available on nVidia GPUs. Also seems like AMD is locking out other CPU outside of Zen 3, which sucks.

 

[Andodalf]

ray tracing performance in WD: Legion

RT6800XT slightly winning against RTX 3800 in 1440p:

and slightly losing in 4K:

bodes well for console RT perf.

payed 760Euro for a 6800 non-xt in a (once again) preorder shitshow today.

only done that to bring you some RT testing, to see if it's really as bad as 2060Super @ XSeriesX Clocks (spoiler: it's not)

RT in watch dogs isn't the same on both platforms.

 

[TrackZ]

So how did the sales go? Come and gone in seconds with locked up carts? I actually forgot to check at 9:00.

 

[DemonCleaner]

RT in watch dogs isn't the same on both platforms.

seen your topic.
kinda strange that computerbase did not allude to that. but i will have a look myself when the card arrives. my 3080 is still installed

 

[Irobot82]

ray tracing performance in WD: Legion

RT6800XT slightly winning against RTX 3800 in 1440p:

and slightly losing in 4K:

bodes well for console RT perf.

payed 760Euro for a 6800 non-xt in a (once again) preorder shitshow today.

only done that to bring you some RT testing, to see if it's really as bad as 2060Super @ XSeriesX Clocks (spoiler: it's not)

Nice I game in 1440p so my biggest concern is Raster wins there and to see how RT looks.

 

[DemonCleaner]

Nice I game in 1440p so my biggest concern is Raster wins there and to see how RT looks.

see edit. does not seem to be all that good after all

 

[Irobot82]

see edit. does not seem to be all that good after all

Who knows. I'm not super worried about RT right now. It's a "nice to have" for me but not required. Besides I doubt I'll have a new card before the new year so we'll see how things shake out by then.

 

[rnlval]

BiG NAVI's Tensor math support i.e. dot2 FP16, dot2 INT16, dot4 INT8, dot8 INT4.

Packed mode refers to the Rapid Pack math feature.

Mixed Precision mode refers to Tensor math feature.

 

[rnlval]

Nice I game in 1440p so my biggest concern is Raster wins there and to see how RT looks.

There are DXR Tier 1.0 and DXR Tier 1.1 difference. If DXR game runs on Pascal, then most likely DXR Tier 1.0 since Pascal GPUs only supports DXR Tier 1.0 (via software compute).

For RDNA 2, AMD and MS worked on DXR Tier 1.1

 

[rnlval]

ray tracing performance in WD: Legion

RT6800XT slightly winning against RTX 3800 in 1440p:

and slightly losing in 4K:

bodes well for console RT perf.

payed 760Euro for a 6800 non-xt in a (once again) preorder shitshow today.

only done that to bring you some RT testing, to see if it's really as bad as 2060Super @ XSeriesX Clocks (spoiler: it's not)


edit - well maybe not so much:

For AMD BiG NAVI, Dirt 5 DXR is another example.

There are DXR Tier 1.0 and DXR Tier 1.1 differences

 

[Irobot82]

There are DXR Tier 1.0 and DXR Tier 1.1 difference. If DXR game runs on Pascal, then most likely DXR Tier 1.0 since Pascal GPUs only supports DXR Tier 1.0 (via software compute).

For RDNA 2, AMD and MS worked on DXR Tier 1.1

It's all early and new tech still. I'm interested to see what Cyberpunk has in store. Hopefully more than just Nvidia black box. But it may sway me to a 3080. I just don't like the 10GB. I feel like the 6800XT will be better long term investment. I also feel like Nvidia will put out some crazy shit in the next round. AMD with it's newfound prominence may very well too.

BiG NAVI's Tensor math support i.e. dot2 FP16, dot2 INT16, dot4 INT8, dot8 INT4.

Packed mode refers to the Rapid Pack math feature.

Mixed Precision mode refers to Tensor math feature.

So AMD can use Tensor workflow for AI super sampling like Nvidia does with it's DLSS.

 

[rnlval]

It's all early and new tech still. I'm interested to see what Cyberpunk has in store. Hopefully more than just Nvidia black box. But it may sway me to a 3080. I just don't like the 10GB. I feel like the 6800XT will be better long term investment. I also feel like Nvidia will put out some crazy shit in the next round. AMD with it's newfound prominence may very well too.

So AMD can use Tensor workflow for AI super sampling like Nvidia does with it's DLSS.

I plan for RTX 3080 Ti 20GB since I have MSI RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Gaming X AIB OC. RTX 3080 10 GB is not enough progress from my RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB.

If my budget is RTX 3070 8G level, I'll pick RX 6800 16 GB AIB OC edition.

In terms of result datatype, Tensor math is different from Rapid Pack math.

 

[DemonCleaner]

For AMD BiG NAVI, Dirt 5 DXR is another example.

There are DXR Tier 1.0 and DXR Tier 1.1 differences

i bought DIRT 5 to test it's ray tracing with the 6800 vs. 3800. then i found out that it was just active in a tech press preview build and probably won't be available till december.