ethomaz
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That is how the whole Turbo tech works too... less core active more clock.
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AMD Ryzen CPUs will launch by March 3
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Knowing Intel, they'll probably just strong-arm OEMs to keep their stranglehold on the market like they did last time AMD had good CPUs.
ethomaz
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That happened almost 15 years ago
That happened almost 15 years ago
And it still happened.
ethomaz
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Yeap but that just show after K10 AMD just go derail... no competitive, innovation, evolution in AMD CPUs in the last 15 years.
Sad.
Nostremitus
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They had to sell their foundry to stay afloat after Intel screwed them over. Sure, they got a settlement out of it, but the damage was done.
Nikodemos
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Settlement my ass. Intel earned at least 10 billion from fucking AMD over, and they paid a cumulative total of $2 billion in fines (in installments across several years).
Looks like the equivilents are out, more at the link
Over the weekend a Chinese site has published what it claims to be the full lineup of AMD Ryzen processors. It claims that AMD will be releasing 17 Ryzen CPUs in three sub-divisions; the top-end R7 range, the R5 range, and the R3 range. Ryzen CPUs will vary from 8C/16T all the way down to 4C/4T chips, with varying clock speeds and other features for product range differentiation.
http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/102184-amd-ryzen-processor-full-lineup-leaked/
Over the weekend a Chinese site has published what it claims to be the full lineup of AMD Ryzen processors. It claims that AMD will be releasing 17 Ryzen CPUs in three sub-divisions; the top-end R7 range, the R5 range, and the R3 range. Ryzen CPUs will vary from 8C/16T all the way down to 4C/4T chips, with varying clock speeds and other features for product range differentiation.
http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/102184-amd-ryzen-processor-full-lineup-leaked/
Buggy Loop
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When are these CPUs out? Surely, if the thread title is still correct, we would know a lot more about them? What's the price?
michaelius
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Second best 8 core Ryzen as competitor to mainstream core i7 (4/8)
6 core Ryzens as competitors to i5 (4/4)
I hope this is price and not performance based...
Has to be price based, if their 16 thread CPU loses to an i7... lmao
TC McQueen
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Early March, but that doesn't mean shit when we're in early February. AMD probably won't reveal any new info before the middle of the month, just to make sure Intel can't fuck them over.
That said, the so-called full Ryzen lineup seems super absurd to me, unless it's their entire lineup for the next 4 years or something. That said, AMD really needs to get more official info out there, because there's so many fucking rumors out there right now.
It's possible that they're just being conservative with stock TDPs as an attempt to win points on power consumption after years of power-hogging Bulldozer designs. We know that at least one of their 8-core chips is a 95W TDP part (where Intel's 8-core i7s have all been rated at 140W). They may want to clock their 4-core chips relatively low in order to bring their TDP in under the 7700/6700's 65W at stock clocks, knowing that enthusiasts will overclock anyway.
Alternatively it could be a binning thing. Unlike Intel, whose 4 core and 6/8 core models are different dies, AMD is binning a single die from 4 to 8 cores, and as the 8 core chips would likely be the best performing parts, and the 4 core models the worst, the performance variation across the bins may be large enough to cancel out the typically increased clock scope of lower core count parts.
Keep in mind that Intel's desktop Kaby Lake lineup currently consists of 23 different models:
5 x Pentium
8 x Core i3
7 x Core i5
3 x Core i7
AMD releasing 17 models is actually somewhat modest in comparison (particularly as AMD are also competing with Intel's HEDT chips).
I'd also be willing to bet that a lot of these are duplicates with and without their Wraith cooler. At a guess, the "Pro" models come with the Wraith cooler, the X models with no cooler at all (matching Intel's K models) and the rest come with AMD's cheaper stock cooler. That leaves just two clock steppings per core/thread count. By comparison, Intel is currently shipping dual-core, quad-thread Kaby Lake chips at 10 different clock speeds.
I do think it's a bit foolish to use R5 for both their 4C/8T products and their 6C/12T models, though. It would have perhaps made a bit more sense to use R7 for the 6C and R9 for the 8C models, or just lumped all the quad-core chips together as R3, to keep the performance jumps clear to customers as you go up the line.
dgrdsv
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AMD Ryzen R7 lineup of 8-core 16-thread CPU Prices Revealed
Note that this isn't actually an official prices reveal but more of a leak from a Spanish store.
Note that this isn't actually an official prices reveal but more of a leak from a Spanish store.
diablos991
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I'm eager to see these in people's PCs. Those leaked prices look pretty good if the performance can measure up.
Insane Metal
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That's... very cheap! OMG I hope it's true.
Likely less than that (probably under $600) for the R7 1800X, given how prices typically translate from US to Europe. The most interesting one is the R7 1700 offering 8C/16T at under €400, though. Unless AMD have decided to start restricting which models will overclock, then that's potentially an extremely competitive price. Even if it doesn't clock high enough to be quite worthwhile in a gaming scenario, it should make an excellent value workstation CPU.
Indeed.
Similiar price to 7700k, 4 more cores, and much lower tdp.
I understand the ipc will not be on par, but thats fine.
I think the only thing we REALLY need to see is real world gaming performance benchmarks.
AMD GPUs for example always have great numbers on paper and then you look at stuff like frame timing and it's just straight evil.
SapientWolf
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Frame pacing is usually a multi GPU issue.
Booker.DeWitt
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AMD Ryzen R7 1700
Then the AMD R7 Ryzen 1700 , a top-end CPU for gamers . this one has again 8 cores and 16 threads at a frequency of 3.70 GHz , the most notable being that it is the only model that indicates a TDP, which is set as 65W. This unit would cost 389.95 euros
Is this compared to which Intel chip? Sorry, I am just starting on PC, and still researching, planning to build my first gaming PC soon
Then the AMD R7 Ryzen 1700 , a top-end CPU for gamers . this one has again 8 cores and 16 threads at a frequency of 3.70 GHz , the most notable being that it is the only model that indicates a TDP, which is set as 65W. This unit would cost 389.95 euros
Is this compared to which Intel chip? Sorry, I am just starting on PC, and still researching, planning to build my first gaming PC soon
Can't be compared because we don't know how Ryzen performs.
If you mean if there is an Intel 8core/16threads CPU, then it would be the i7-6900K wich is 1200€.
phant0m
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My Sandy Bridge i5 still shreds most games. I'm betting Ryzen only matches Skylake when it comes to actual in-game performance.
Well for me thats always a given, you acn only trust the released product benchmarks, but in this case from a speculation point of view we know that gaming performance its going to depend on how they are clocked, AMD needs to clock them as higher as they possibly can with the TDP they have in mind to stay competitive with Intel cpu. The architecture its done, now it depends on how the manufacturing process goes and how they can fine tune the line, but being a month away I suppose its already set in stone and we just dont know it yet.
Papacheeks
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We do know how the 8core/16 thread cpu variant works with the test's they've shown at both venue's.
The 8core/16thread is comparable to i7 6900k.
But at $100 dollars cheaper and who knows how some games like Total war series will take advantage of those lower end models with 8 threads.
Lactose_Intolerant
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For workstations, these are pretty exciting.
I'm not so sure for gaming. They are clocked lower and most games hardly use all my threads. Obviously clocks from different architectures aren't equal but still. Overclocking potential will play a factor.
For the equivalent priced cpu, I expect slightly lower performance in most games compared to my 6700k. In the future though, those cores will pay off.
Even if they are less powerful, they will still drive down prices of Intel chips.
I hope I'm wrong though and they have better performance.
I'm not so sure for gaming. They are clocked lower and most games hardly use all my threads. Obviously clocks from different architectures aren't equal but still. Overclocking potential will play a factor.
For the equivalent priced cpu, I expect slightly lower performance in most games compared to my 6700k. In the future though, those cores will pay off.
Even if they are less powerful, they will still drive down prices of Intel chips.
I hope I'm wrong though and they have better performance.
CarbonFire
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In for a R7 1700 if they can get even close to the i7 6700k / 7700k in gaming performance.
C'mon AMD, I'm rooting for you.
C'mon AMD, I'm rooting for you.
callsignkrogan
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Same. I'd love to use one of their 8/16 cpus in a VM build to see how well it would do.
Same here. I'm still rocking a 2500k. lol
Dinky Dino
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Looks like it's time to replace my i7 920
Really though this thing has been 60 degrees idle since 2009 at 4ghz so I'm surprised it lasted this long but I could use something modern that throws out less heat
Really though this thing has been 60 degrees idle since 2009 at 4ghz so I'm surprised it lasted this long but I could use something modern that throws out less heat
TC McQueen
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Here's more evidence that R7 lineup is legit - Shopbit.com, whose database is tied into to Ingram Micro, a parts distributor to CyberPower PC and Newegg, got new pages on Ryzen, with the same SKUs:
http://archive.is/bU5vP
http://archive.is/iKKfB
Coulomb_Barrier
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That R7 1700 8-core Ryzen for 389.99 euros could absolutely clean up if true. DIY builders would snap it up.
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http://www.kikatek.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=RYZEN
Looks like the non-X version comes with a wraith cooler.
Looks like the non-X version comes with a wraith cooler.
How have the manufacturers been doing with AMD motherboards? I've grown comfortable and know what to expect on the Intel side after all these years, but I haven't dipped a toe into AMD since the old Athlon X2's.
I think I'd need a pretty good reason to switch, as much as I want them to succeed. I don't really need more than 6 cores and 4 is generally fine for my gaming box. I wish cores was better than it is for gaming, but still so many where single thread performance is so important, and that would favor Intel.
Price is great and if I was building a workstation I'd be more interested, I think.. but still need to feel like it's going to be a polished experience.
I think I'd need a pretty good reason to switch, as much as I want them to succeed. I don't really need more than 6 cores and 4 is generally fine for my gaming box. I wish cores was better than it is for gaming, but still so many where single thread performance is so important, and that would favor Intel.
Price is great and if I was building a workstation I'd be more interested, I think.. but still need to feel like it's going to be a polished experience.
TC McQueen
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Here's more good news - apparently Cooler Master realized that not having an AM4 bracket for the most popular/widespread air cooler on the market was a stupid idea, so now you can get an AM4 bracket for the Hyper 212 series:
Cooler Master: Press Release - AM4 Compatibility
AMD AM4 Upgrade kit (RR-ACCY-AM4B-R1) (Europe store link - works)
AMD AM4 Upgrade kit (RR-ACCY-AM4B-R1) (Asia Pacific store link - works)
Cooler Master: Press Release - AM4 Compatibility
AMD AM4 Upgrade kit (RR-ACCY-AM4B-R1) (US store link - doesn't work as of 2/8/2017)
AMD AM4 Upgrade kit (RR-ACCY-AM4B-R1) (Europe store link - works)
AMD AM4 Upgrade kit (RR-ACCY-AM4B-R1) (Asia Pacific store link - works)
Coulomb_Barrier
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IPC of Ryzen is meant to be around Broadwell IPC and these are rumoured to overclock to 4.5Ghz+ like Intel's.
So the choice of a 7700k or cheapest Ryzen 1700 8-core, if both are similarly priced, is single digit % higher IPC with the 7700k which is absolutely unnoticeable in 99% of use-case scenarios, which can't be stressed enough, or the potential for the 1700 to be massively faster in multi-threaded workloads as it has 4 more cores and 8 more threads than the 7700K.
It's a complete no-brainer on which you should buy, but already the idea that Intel's Kabylake (which have identical IPC to Skylake) having realistically a 5-7% faster IPC than Ryzen is a reason why the Intel chip is still the one to get for gaming. Come on! There's zero chance anyone would notice such a tiny bump but like I said, any game that puts more than 4 cores to use (and these games are increasing in number) will absolutely be noticeably faster using the Ryzen chip.
Dinky Dino
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That's actually what I'm wondering too. If ryzen is cheap will the mobos be as well? This is a big deciding factor. Will the mobos be in sufficient stock as well? You already know what to expect on intel's side and their socket is always there in stock. Though another deciding factor is that intel's mobos are only really cheap on the non ks you can't overclock.
Insane Metal
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Since I live in a country where any electronic costs an arm and a leg, I really hope AMD can deliver with Ryzen. I might finally get a somewhat decent PC. Intel is basically out of the question for me.