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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/intel-coffee-lake-14nm-release-date/

Intel seems to be accelerating its coffee lake roadmap to kill off Ryzen.

Bring on the competition. CPU market has been boring as fuck for the last 7-8 years.

 

[s_mirage]

ok, so what is the price for the Ryzen that s similar and a bit better than the 7700k? that would be the one I will get for gaming

Leaks say $259.

 

[icecold1983]

How so? Those are 8/6-core Ryzen's, and look ar the clockspeeds. This bench scales well with more cores.

the 1300 is 4/8 just like the 7700. its perf deficit is almost exactly in line with its clock speed deficit. seems unrealistic that amd would just completely catch up to intel with far fewer resources and also undercut them in price so hard

 

[Papacheeks]

ok, so what is the price for the Ryzen that s similar and a bit better than the 7700k? that would be the one I will get for gaming

x1600, x1700

X1700 is a little more by 30$ but your getting more cores and performance for down the road.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/intel-coffee-lake-14nm-release-date/

Intel seems to be accelerating its coffee lake roadmap to kill off Ryzen.

All they're seemingly doing there is adding more frequency at stock compared to Kabylake, and this time that'll reduce the OC headroom I bet.

Skylake-E is more interesting but by the time that is out people will be used to paying $300 for Broadwell-E performance, not the $600-2000 Intel were hoping to charge for the CPUs across that line-up.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/intel-coffee-lake-14nm-release-date/

Intel seems to be accelerating its coffee lake roadmap to kill off Ryzen.

Unless they drop their prices by a lot, there is no way they will compete, even with the slight extra power.

 

[Vipu]

I'm going by the actual leaked documents that are on the net showing all the models.

That chart tells me nothing I dont see where it says 8/16 for x1600?




Intel should be getting ready to slash those prices. Can you feel it.......... I can taste it...............the tension............ I can feel it all the way down to my Plumbs!!

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I said 6/12

 

[Papacheeks]

Unless they drop their prices by a lot, there is no way they will compete, even with the slight extra power.

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I said 6/12

Sorry I misread your reply.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

Sorry, just really hoping that Intel gets a reality check from this and decides to lower their prices to more fair point. My bad, bruh.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Intel can't kill what can't be killed. $175 for a 7700k slayer or $279 for a 6900K beater are sacred chimeras and will be immortal in consumers' minds henceforth.

 

[Papacheeks]

Sorry, just really hoping that Intel gets a reality check from this and decides to lower their prices to more fair point. My bad, bruh.

No, I'm agreeing with you. I feel the same way, the emperor was the joke. GOOD........

 

[ShadowKingpin]

No, I'm agreeing with you. I feel the same way, the emperor was the joke. GOOD........

Ohhhhh my bad. I totally mistook it for a 'butthurt' comment, haha. I apologize.

 

[Insane Metal]

Intel can't kill what can't be killed. $175 for a 7700k slayer or $279 for a 6900K beater are sacred chimeras and will be immortal in consumers' minds henceforth.

I have a really, really hard time believing Ryzen is such a thing. I'd love to be proved wrong though.

 

[Renekton]

Unless they drop their prices by a lot, there is no way they will compete, even with the slight extra power.

They can bank on their single-core IPC and high clocks.

Having said that, I don't know how they can price their 6core without throwing Kaby Lake under a bus.

 

[Lonely1]

Quad core, hexa core and octa core. Source.



The 6900K is a CPU that's over $1000, the 8 core Ryzen chip is rumored to be sub $600.

Why is the performance degrading with more cores?

 

[·feist·]

People really should wait for the NDA to lift and read as many diverse reviews as they can; covering various ram, cooling, software suites, and testing methodologies.

That's all the confirmation we need that Ryzen is the real deal.

As business decisions don't tend to exist within a vacuum, anyone observing Intel the past few years would have noticed some moves which may have telegraphed certain bits of information about AMD's upcoming CPU launch.

 

[Booker.DeWitt]

Leaks say $259.

x1600, x1700

X1700 is a little more by 30$ but your getting more cores and performance for down the road.

wow, more than 100 bucks cheaper. I hope that is true

 

[dgrdsv]

I think the only thing going on there is non-perfect parallel scaling.

Edit: yep, as above.

Look closely at the results, I've paired 6C vs 6C and 8C vs 8C. On the stated frequencies the gaps between them don't add up: 6C Zen @ 3,3GHz is slower than 6C BWE @ 3,4GHz while an 8C Zen @ 3,4GHz is slower than an 8C BWE @ 3,2 GHz. This may be due to how that benchmark scales from 6C to 8C of course but it looks a bit fishy nevertheless.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/intel-coffee-lake-14nm-release-date/

Intel seems to be accelerating its coffee lake roadmap to kill off Ryzen.

With CNL moved to 14nm as a second SKL upgrade it's really hard to tie these news to Ryzen as 10nm line is naturally riding on CFL now so this may be just Intel reshuffling internal roadmaps based on the availability of next production process.

But yeah, I fully expect them to suffer for some time with 4C8T KBL going against 6C/12T and 8C/16T Zen because of the lack of advancements in their mainstream socket. They haven't updated the maximum core counts in it for ten (TEN!!!) years, since 2007.

All they're seemingly doing there is adding more frequency at stock compared to Kabylake, and this time that'll reduce the OC headroom I bet.

Skylake-E is more interesting but by the time that is out people will be used to paying $300 for Broadwell-E performance, not the $600-2000 Intel were hoping to charge for the CPUs across that line-up.

CFL is the first 6C/12T CPU for the 115x socket, was planned to be for a couple of years now. Intel was waiting for 10nm to be able to shove the iGPU into it with no margins loss. Seems like they won't wait for that anymore as a 6C CPU for mainstream socket is becoming a necessity for them.

Skylake-X will be a bit different to BWE because of that, with Intel bringing in 4C models to 2066 socket again with it and stretching the lineup all the way to 10C/20T.

With this the two socket lineups will finally diverge between the laptop+ one (2C-6C+iGPU) and desktop+ one (4C-10C+ w/o iGPU).

 

[teh_pwn]

I mean, $450 for 8 Ivy/Haswell performing cores is pretty compelling. I'd consider retiring my 4.6 GHz Ivy 3700k as a dedicated file server considering my DSLR photo & general media collection is building up. I'd like my next system to be pure SSD though, and 2 TB RAID is still a bit pricey. Maybe I could start with a 2 TB OS only SSD, and export photos to the file server to buy time.

 

[Lonely1]

Sorry, just really hoping that Intel gets a reality check from this and decides to lower their prices to more fair point. My bad, bruh.

My only problem with Ryzen is that I'm stuck with a x99 Mobo and changing Mobo's is a pain in the **s.

 

[Marmelade]

I remember all the Bulldozer hype a few years back so I was more than skeptical about Ryzen but looks like AMD has (finally!) a winner on their hands.
If this is confirmed, it will the best thing to happen to the CPU market in years

 

[Booker.DeWitt]

stupid question, but will this affect the gpu prices in any way ?

 

[Marmelade]

stupid question, but will this affect the gpu prices in any way ?

Nope.
Vega might depending on its perf/price

edit: looks like you're talking about AMD GPUs (?)
Still no

 

[Ricerocket]

stupid question, but will this affect the gpu prices in any way ?

Nope. AMD still only has a 480 vs everything else Nvidia covers from low mid high range.

 

[teh_pwn]

stupid question, but will this affect the gpu prices in any way ?

Not at all. If I built a Ryzen system I'd move my GTX 980 to it and use iGPU on my old 3770K file server. For me a GTX 1080 is a nice bump, but not at the cost, especially considering I'm gaming at 1080p.

Ryzen is appealing to me because it's a way to get what currently is a $1k Intel chip with generally fast cores but 8 of them. Such a CPU wouldn't need replacing for 5 years. It would scale with post-processing photos and general OS and game engine trends.

 

[RenegadeXV8]

I remember all the Bulldozer hype a few years back so I was more than skeptical about Ryzen but looks like AMD has (finally!) a winner on their hands.
If this is confirmed, it will the best thing to happen to the CPU market in years

Writing was on the wall for Bulldozer when every time they were asked about IPC or single-threaded performance, AMD always responded with "well, IPC isn't the only thing that matters... *starts listing off other Bulldozer features*..."

 

[teh_pwn]

I knew Zen was different because AMD started out talking out about IPC. Also it was designed ground up by a chip designer savant - Jim Keller. I really don't know much about chip design as I'm in software, but the chip seems like it borrowed a lot of ideas from Intel.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

My bad.

 

[dgrdsv]

More leaked benchmarks from PC Gamer (Encryption, Compression, Physics, etc.): Here

I don't know if anyone has seen these from 4 hours ago. I didn't see anything for a few pages back. It's just the main 8-core, I believe. Sorry if old.

I think it's the same Passmark benchmark which was leaked a couple of days ago.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

I think it's the same Passmark benchmark which was leaked a couple of days ago.

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't know if it was new or not.

 

[Parsnip]

Will there be any small form factor Mobo's at launch?

Don't know but I also don't need to build the system immediately, I can wait a little bit.

 

[ShadowKingpin]

Don't know and but I also don't need to build the system immediately, I can wait a little bit.

I hope there is a small Mobo around launch. I would love to have a smaller PC.

 

[GodofWine]

Good timing for me, plan on building some sort of gamimg pc in May. Something along the lines of a 108060 beast with ample headroom for upgrades...now if they could hurry up with their gpus. Im thinking either an 8gb 480 or a 1060 right now, whichever has a deal.

 

[Zabojnik]

Here's a very detailed architecture discussion video from PCPer, involving David Kanter (who wrote that detailed article on Zen):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plXoBXFodHI

This was a brilliant and very insightful discussion. Highly recommended.

 

[Durante]

The fact that Intel is now promising a 6 core mainstream chip for this year is the most solid indicator for me that Ryzen will be a real competitor.

I'm almost getting a bit hyped.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

stupid question, but will this affect the gpu prices in any way ?

No, but Vega will.

The fact that Intel is now promising a 6 core mainstream chip for this year is the most solid indicator for me that Ryzen will be a real competitor.

I'm almost getting a bit hyped.

They have to. 4C/8T Kaby Lake is way behind 8C/16T Ryzen in so many tasks, despite better IPC. Not to mention the prices of motherboards. 6C/12T CFL is a necessity for Intel to remain performance leader in mainstream category. Also, i5 4C/8T will be great value.

 

[Dictator93]

The fact that Intel is now promising a 6 core mainstream chip for this year is the most solid indicator for me that Ryzen will be a real competitor.

I'm almost getting a bit hyped.

Key word!

Let's be careful, everyone. R600 and Bulldozer still have me quaking.

 

[Aztechnology]

The fact that Intel is now promising a 6 core mainstream chip for this year is the most solid indicator for me that Ryzen will be a real competitor.

I'm almost getting a bit hyped.

Considering my MSI X99A SLI Plus and 5820k refuses to post with more than two stick of RAM (I've done extensive testing, checked every stick/configuration, RMA'd both the CPU and Mobo, tested the PSU etc.) I'm almost considering making the jump if it's a solid performer. The 2011-V3 chipset, at least with MSI has been... a trying experience.

 

[lordfuzzybutt]

This hype is getting more real than the Polaris one. My i5 4670k system is screaming at the top of its die before its impending doom, yus.

 

[ValfarHL]

Has this been posted?

 

[riflen]

Key word!

Let's be careful, everyone. R600 and Bulldozer still have me quaking.

Heh, yes. Be careful indeed.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Has this been posted?

Ryzen 5 1600X has full parity with 6850K. That's an astonishing result. And 1700X almost as fast as 6950X, a $1700 processor.

 

[icecold1983]

Key word!

Let's be careful, everyone. R600 and Bulldozer still have me quaking.

i dont recall there being several promising leaked benches for those tho

 

[dgrdsv]

Prices again: AMD Ryzen 7 available for prorder from European retailer

 

[Paragon]

Ryzen 5 1600X has full parity with 6850K. That's an astonishing result. And 1700X almost as fast as 6950X, a $1700 processor.

In this one specific test, with turbo boost disabled on the Intel CPUs.
The questions that remain for these CPUs are how high they will be able to overclock, and what type of applications they do well in vs which ones they do not.
They are definitely not going to be faster than Intel's CPUs in all types of workload.

i dont recall there being several promising leaked benches for those tho

Don't forget the "Overclocker's Dream" Fury X benchmark leaks which showed it beating the Titan X.
AMD has a bad track record for "leaked" benchmarks being highly misleading.

 

[icecold1983]

In this one specific test, with turbo boost disabled on the Intel CPUs.
The questions that remain for these CPUs are how high they will be able to overclock, and what type of applications they do well in vs which ones they do not.
They are definitely not going to be faster than Intel's CPUs in all types of workload.

Don't forget the "Overclocker's Dream" Fury X benchmark leaks which showed it beating the Titan X.
AMD has a bad track record for "leaked" benchmarks being highly misleading.

werent the actual benches leaked for fury legit tho?

 

[Paragon]

werent the actual benches leaked for fury legit tho?

Legitimate benchmarks which were completely misleading because they were very selective and not representative of its performance overall.

 

[Resident Guru]

Where is the actual gaming performance? I have a 7700k at 5Ghz and I need to see how it stacks up against these new chips. These benchmarks that are out seem a bit selective. We have the firestrike physics score but where is the firestrike extreme score? I want these to be amazing but will chips greater than 4 cores make a difference for gaming?

 

[RenegadeXV8]

Where is the actual gaming performance? I have a 7700k at 5Ghz and I need to see how it stacks up against these new chips. These benchmarks that are out seem a bit selective. We have the firestrike physics score but where is the firestrike extreme score? I want these to be amazing but will chips greater than 4 cores make a difference for gaming?

This isn't releasing for another 2 weeks, so I'm not sure why you're expecting comprehensive reviews right now. What we have currently is simply a leak from some dude that has the CPU, not official performance figures from AMD.

PC hardware reviews typically have a NDA until the day the actual product is out for sale. Maybe a week before if you're lucky.

 

[Donniewahlberg]

Must say, reading through the thread is kind of exciting. I've only been pc gaming for about 3 or 4 years and I've only really looked at intel cpu before. Starting to look at new build ideas though so it would be cool to have amd on the table, more options etc