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[dr_rus]

Dr Rus having a meltdown is what happened.

 

[nubbe]

Dr Rus having a meltdown is what happened.

happens all the time

 

[MechaDekka]

Ok, so I'm new to this PC thing, and I want to make sure I can overclock my new R7 1700x with the cooling I have. It's this cooler in an ATX mid tower case that comes with two fans. Also there is a GTX 1080 in there if that matters. Will this be enough to keep the temp down at say 3.9ghz?

 

[popo]

Ok, so I'm new to this PC thing, and I want to make sure I can overclock my new R7 1700x with the cooling I have. It's this cooler in an ATX mid tower case that comes with two fans. Also there is a GTX 1080 in there if that matters. Will this be enough to keep the temp down at say 3.9ghz?

You will need to find out what model CPU cooler you want to reuse. You will likely need a new bracket for it, if your manufacturer offers one.

 

[Saro]

The 1800x are on sale today at various places for $420 USD. If you plan on keeping everything at stock clock/voltage and want max performance its a good deal. If you get a decent cooler on the 1700x, and are willing to OC a little bit, you'd probably be better off with the 1700x or 1700.

At least thats what I've gathered from everywhere thus far.

I've always had great luck with Asrock. I went with this board for mine today. Granted mine is for gaming primarily with the other stuff on the side.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157759

Thanks for the help, this Mobo looks like what I want from it!

I'll be going with the 1800X aswell.

 

[Nostremitus]

Again, read what I've already said. If you dare. Or you can join the usual group of complete non-fanboys.

I did read what you said, that's why I responded.

You were being dishonest, or in the very least intentionally misleading. In the analysis in question NVENC was rated at less than half as good as Ryzen x264. That's not "almost on par" overall. You are cherry picking comments about specific instances and trying to pass them off as the overall results.

 

[Datschge]

HardWare.fr —— Intel Core i9-7900X et Core i7-7740X en test : déjà-vus ? (french)
While primarily an Intel X299 review, they used it to make several insightful normalized 8 core chips benchmarks, all at 3Ghz. DDR4-2400 15-15-15-35 1T for Ryzen 7 1800X (Zen), Core i7-6900K (Broadwell-E) and Core i9-7900X (Skylake-X). DDR3-1600 9-9-9-24 1T for FX-8350 (Piledriver) which serves as the baseline (reminding how big the improvement is with Zen):

They also tested the improvements SMT/HT brings relative to it being disabled:

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Ryzen May Be The Most Successful Product Launch In AMD's History

AMD now commands 31% of the market, which constitutes the largest CPU share level the company has reached in a decade. Only a quarter back the company was sitting at 20.6%. A 10%+ share gain in a single quarter is unheard of in the x86 CPU market and truly reflects the magnitude of this achievement for AMD.

In Q1 2017 the company had only gained 2.2% in the same market, largely due to the fact that only half of AMD's desktop Ryzen SKUs had been available in the market and only in the last month of the quarter. The initial launch was also hamstrung by a shortage of AM4 motherboards. The second quarter however was dramatically different. Today, AM4 motherboards are consistently in-stock and there are more than twice as many Ryzen processors to choose from.

In the time period between the 1st of April 2017 and the 30th of June this year the AMD CPU installed base grew from 20.3%, excluding consoles, to 31%. This represents an accumulative growth of 53%. There are more computer users buying and using AMD processors today than there have been in the past 10 years. With Zen's impending introduction in the mobile and high-end desktop markets we can only predict that this userbase will continue to grow.

http://wccftech.com/amd-takes-10-4-...17-largest-single-quarter-share-gain-history/

 

[nubbe]

Expect more paper launches from intel

 

[TC McQueen]

http://wccftech.com/amd-takes-10-4-c...-gain-history/

Got a source that isn't WCCFTech?

 

[Delusibeta]

Got a source that isn't WCCFTech?

The source of the chart is PassMark, so don't take them as gospel. It is probably fair to say that Ryzen has been a success, though.

 

[·feist·]

TechteamGB [YouTube] —— Intel i7 7820X VS AMD Ryzen 7 1800X | Tested

Overclockers UK [YouTube] —— 8Pack - AMD Ryzen, Overclocking & Memory improvements!

Optimum Tech [YouTube] —— AMD RYZEN Overclocking GUIDE

Overclocking

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=232879551&postcount=2115​

Ryzen *RAM* Compatibility, Overclocking, Performance Scaling

4,080MTs DRAM overclock on Samsung E-die (G.Skill Trident Z)

GIGABYTE Tech Daily —— New AMD frequency memory record set by Newlife from Australia powered by AORUS X370 Gaming K7

http://hwbot.org/submission/3588222_newlife_memory_frequency_ddr4_sdram_2039.6_mhz

ASRock's B350 and X370 Mini-ITXs are being listed at various retailers. As supplier deliveries are making their way through the channel Newegg in the US has sale date as the 7th of this month, while multiple Japanese outlets show their stock for the 12th.


Japanese prices vary somewhat, but here's one retailer's page showing ASRock's B350 and X370 options compared to Biostar's B350 and X370 Mini-ITX boards: https://www.ark-pc.co.jp/search/?category=c13&p1=b13020&p2=c11098&p3=h13050&p4=p13003

ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac AM4
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157780
https://www.ark-pc.co.jp/i/12201072/
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B073BFTJQK/
http://www.cfd.co.jp/product/motherboard/amd-motherboard/ab350gaming-itx_ac/release/
http://www.mustardseed.co.jp/products/asrock/fatal1ty_ab350_gaming-itx_ac.html

ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming-ITX/ac AM4
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157779
https://www.ark-pc.co.jp/i/12201071/
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B073BGMHH9/
http://www.cfd.co.jp/product/motherboard/amd-motherboard/x370gaming-itx_ac/release/
http://www.mustardseed.co.jp/products/asrock/fatal1ty_x370_gaming-itx_ac.html

 

[dr_rus]

http://wccftech.com/amd-takes-10-4-...17-largest-single-quarter-share-gain-history/

This is certainly great news but this isn't market share:

The data is courtesy of PassMark’s quarterly market share report, which is based on the thousands of submissions that go through the database in any given quarter. It’s important to note that because PassMark’s market share data is based on benchmark submissions it counts actual systems in use, rather than systems sold.

I think it's safe to assume that more people are benchmarking Ryzen CPUs as they are more interesting to enthusiast crowd. So actual market share gain is likely lower than that.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

This is certainly great news but this isn't market share:


I think it's safe to assume that more people are benchmarking Ryzen CPUs as they are more interesting to enthusiast crowd. So actual market share gain is likely lower than that.

Ryzen has made a positive impact, that's all that needs to be said. I bought a Ryzen 1700 CPU to show my support and I am completely satisfied, how about you?

 

[JohnnyFootball]

The risk is if you don't know what your doing with Ram timings and frequency's it wont do a boot test and reset to default after failure.

But you can go old school and clear the bios or cmos still without issue if timings dont work and usually it wills till let you in to bios after reboot.





I'm telling you that Pro board is trouble, I would go with what I have which is a better b350 board. No issues with Bios, and has more advanced settings.

I would return that board, there's a lot of people on asrock forums complaining about similar issues with that board.

My Board ASROCK Fatality AB350 Gaming K4 AM4

At the end of the day this was the cheapest board of all of them. It's ridiculous for me to expect it to have all the tweaking and high end features of the more premium boards.

All things considered I am pretty damn happy with my Ryzen combo.

I\l consider investing in a better board for the next gen since AMD plans to keep AM$ around for a while.

 

[Tommy DJ]

http://wccftech.com/amd-takes-10-4-...17-largest-single-quarter-share-gain-history/

Hey I like Zen too, I bought a R7 1700 but that isn't market share and the article itself says that it isn't market share:

The data is courtesy of PassMark’s quarterly market share report, which is based on the thousands of submissions that go through the database in any given quarter. It’s important to note that because PassMark’s market share data is based on benchmark submissions it counts actual systems in use, rather than systems sold. It also does not include consoles or any computer systems running operating systems other than Windows

I submitted around ten different benchmark results to Passmark, because the X370 Taichi likes to randomly default to garbage memory timings whenever I change BIOS settings, but that doesn't mean I'm 10 computers.

 

[dr_rus]

Ryzen has made a positive impact, that's all that needs to be said. I bought a Ryzen 1700 CPU to show my support and I am completely satisfied, how about you?

I have i7 6850K and I don't see any reason to upgrade to anything right now. Also it's not about your support, it's about being precise with what you're saying.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

I have i7 6850K and I don't see any reason to upgrade to anything right now. Also it's not about your support, it's about being precise with what you're saying.

Nobody has argued that anyone with a Broadwell-E CPU should make the switch to Ryzen or Skylake-X for that matter.

If someone is looking to upgrade beyond 4 cores, it's impossible to argue that Ryzen isn't a great value and can perform well.

The second part of your statement makes no sense.

 

[Durante]

Nobody has argued that anyone with a Broadwell-E CPU should make the switch to Ryzen or Skylake-X for that matter.

If someone is looking to upgrade beyond 4 cores, it's impossible to argue that Ryzen isn't a great value and can perform well.

The second part of your statement makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense, what Louis Cyphre posted and dr_rus replied to is simply a meaningless trashpost.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

It makes perfect sense, what Louis Cyphre posted and dr_rus replied to is simply a meaningless trashpost.

My 1700 might be meaningless to you but it certainly isn't for me. I for one am happy to finally have some decent competition in the CPU market after all these years.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

This is certainly great news but this isn't market share:



I think it's safe to assume that more people are benchmarking Ryzen CPUs as they are more interesting to enthusiast crowd. So actual market share gain is likely lower than that.

Not sure about that. Anyone that buys a new gen CPU will want to benchmark it with probably the most popular CPU benchmark, i dont think new AMD CPU owners are more likely to bench than Intel. That would also work the other way in any case - buyers of last gen AMD CPUs like the FX 8350 are less likely to use Passmark than last gen Intel CPU owners like the 6600K or 6700K etc you'd imagine.

 

[LordKasual]

just here to say that this thread title is top tier

 

[Kayant]

I like how where you switch tabs between the pages for Asrock's itx boards on newegg and the only difference is the labeling on the boards changing 😂.

Asrock riding that X370 wave to command $45 for nothing extra.

Not sure about that. Anyone that buys a new gen CPU will want to benchmark it with probably the most popular CPU benchmark, i dont think new AMD CPU owners are more likely to bench than Intel. That would also work the other way in any case - buyers of last gen AMD CPUs like the FX 8350 are less likely to use Passmark than last gen Intel CPU owners like the 6600K or 6700K etc you'd imagine.

Majority of people that buy CPUs don't care about benchmarking and what makes Passmark the most popular?

 

[JohnnyFootball]

It makes perfect sense, what Louis Cyphre posted and dr_rus replied to is simply a meaningless trashpost.

Yeah, I get it now. Wccftech was basing their marketshare post on benchmarking and as you say that really truly tells us nothing.

If those numbers were correlated with marketshare Intel would be in full blown attack mode right now.

 

[Datschge]

Intel would be in full blown attack mode right now.

They aren't?

 

[NeOak]

Yeah, I get it now. Wccftech was basing their marketshare post on benchmarking and as you say that really truly tells us nothing.

If those numbers were correlated with marketshare Intel would be in full blown attack mode right now.

What are the Core i9 then? 🤔

 

[JohnnyFootball]

They aren't?

What are the Core i9 then? ��

The Ryzen 8 core 16 thread CPU costs $500 and can be had for like $425 if you're looking.

The intel equivalent 7820x (which is actually an i7) is about $150-$200 more.

Not to mention the fact that Intel mobos also cost between $50 - $100 more.

Now, if Intel had released a 1151 Z270 6-core and 8-core CPU and priced them competitively, I would have praised them.

 

[jroc74]

The Ryzen 8 core 16 thread CPU costs $500 and can be had for like $425 if you're looking.

The intel equivalent 7820x (which is actually an i7) is about $150-$200 more.

Not to mention the fact that Intel mobos also cost between $50 - $100 more.

Now, if Intel had released a 1151 Z270 6-core and 8-core CPU and priced them competitively, I would have praised them.

Exactly.

IMO this is the first time in awhile that price vs. performance actually means something positive for AMD when comparing AMD vs Intel.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Exactly.

IMO this is the first time in awhile that price vs. performance actually means something positive for AMD when comparing AMD vs Intel.

My initial post had it wrong. $50 -$100 price difference for motherboards was way too generous.

The cheapest X299 mobo was $219 with most of them being in excess of $300.

Most X370 mobos can be had for under $150 and that's if you even want to do SLI Crossfire.

 

[Paragon]

My initial post had it wrong. $50 -$100 price difference for motherboards was way too generous.
The cheapest X299 mobo was $219 with most of them being in excess of $300.
Most X370 mobos can be had for under $150 and that's if you even want to do SLI Crossfire.

8-core Ryzen CPUs also start at $330 MSRP, not $500.
And the i7-7820X is $600. That is almost halved from the i7-6900K's $1100 price tag though.

 

[·feist·]

There are indicators other than Passmark which highlight Ryzen's popularity in different countries. What effect that ultimately has on marketshare remains to be seen.

Safe to say AMD's share of consumer desktops, servers, HPC, etc. will be higher than it was during the era of Bulldozer and its variants.




Sale price things.


Seems Amazon US had an R7 1700 + mobo for $50 off bundle deal. Not sure if that has ended.



https://twitter.com/Newegg/status/880535303697465344
https://www.newegg.com/product/prod...yzen-_-promocode-meme-_-062917&recaptcha=pass

Newegg‏ Verified account @Newegg

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PC Gamer —— AMD Ryzen 7 1800X processor is on sale for $400 - Grab the fastest Ryzen chip at a discount
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5197000&CatId=7182

If you haven't spent all of your money on fireworks, beer, and burgers, then check out TigerDirect's sale on AMD's fastest Ryzen processor currently available. It can be yours for $400.

The deal is good through the end of tomorrow (July 4) or while supplies last. Just enter coupon code IUN166219 at checkout and it will drop the price from $420 to $400.

This is the lowest price around for AMD's top-end Ryzen CPU. Newegg has it on sale for $460, though several other sites have it marked down to $420 currently, including Amazon. TigerDirect seems to have the competition beat for the time being.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5197000&CatId=7182

Various countries - MSI cashback deal for AM4 boards.

Until the end of July only.
https://msi-promotions.com/gb/pages/summercashback/home

Select country: https://msi-promotions.com/

Promotional Period: 30/06/2017 - 31/07/2017

 

[Tommy DJ]

Not sure about that. Anyone that buys a new gen CPU will want to benchmark it with probably the most popular CPU benchmark, i dont think new AMD CPU owners are more likely to bench than Intel. That would also work the other way in any case - buyers of last gen AMD CPUs like the FX 8350 are less likely to use Passmark than last gen Intel CPU owners like the 6600K or 6700K etc you'd imagine.

Early adopters of Ryzen would definitely benchmark more than typical Intel systems. Ignoring Intel's HEDT platform, which has comparatively little market share, most Intel systems for a long time have been very much plug and play.

With Ryzen's well advertised performance improvements when fed fast memory and the multitude of BIOS and AEGSA updates, early adopters are definitely going to be benchmarking more. Especially with the AEGSA 1.0.0.6 bug on Asrock boards where the BIOS goes mental and sets stupid sub timings that completely tank CPU performance.

That's not to say Ryzen isn't an increasingly popular option but that graph is honestly pretty bogus. No shit Ryzen users are going to benchmark a hell lot more when every AMD evangelist on YouTube tells them about the Good News of AEGSA updates and Memory Overcloking.

 

[dr_rus]

Not sure about that. Anyone that buys a new gen CPU will want to benchmark it with probably the most popular CPU benchmark, i dont think new AMD CPU owners are more likely to bench than Intel. That would also work the other way in any case - buyers of last gen AMD CPUs like the FX 8350 are less likely to use Passmark than last gen Intel CPU owners like the 6600K or 6700K etc you'd imagine.

Most new Intel CPU owners these days are people who got themselves a new notebook or a PC which was pre-built or built by someone else. The rest are already set with some Intel CPU - there's not many reasons to upgrade if you have anything from Haswell generation up till KBL. Ryzen owners are all new PC owners upgrading from Intel quad cores and of course they are more interested in benchmarking to see what they got - switching between platforms is always more interesting than just upgrading to a new quad core.

Yeah, I get it now. Wccftech was basing their marketshare post on benchmarking and as you say that really truly tells us nothing.

If those numbers were correlated with marketshare Intel would be in full blown attack mode right now.

No, I think that they do correlate with market share, just that the AMD's gain percentages aren't as big as shown on the graph.

 

[·feist·]

Barron's —— AMD’s ‘Epyc’ Could Reverse the Multi-Chip Curse, Says Wells Fargo

Advanced Micro Devices has a shot to succeed where it and Intel have failed in past with multiple chips packaged together, according to a review of initial test data by Wells Fargo's David Wong.

TechPowerUp —— TPU Ryzen BIOS Digest Issue #9

In this release, we have several betas graduating to final release, mostly all consisting of AGESA 1.0.0.6 code.

[MSI, Asus, & BioStar (Gigabyte & ASRock 1006 final release updates posted weeks ago)]

Recommended reading:

Guru3D —— AMD Ryzen 7 AGESA 1006 performance and DDR4 memory check - review


Table of Contents (direct links):

• Page 01 —— An introduction at a double data-rate
  
• Page 02 —— Memory timings - The 64-bit OS and your memory
  
• Page 03 —— CPU-Z - DDR4 with a Ryzen 7 processor
  
• Page 04 —— Enabling your XMP 2.0 profile
  
• Page 05 —— Hardware & Software Used
  
• Page 06 —— System Memory Bandwidth Performance
  
• Page 07 —— Performance Application testing
  
• Page 08 —— Performance - Game testing
  
• Page 09 —— Random memory testing - PASSED
  
• Page 10 —— Random memory testing #2 - PASSED
  
• Page 11 —— Random memory testing #3 - FAILED
  
• Page 12 —— Final Words & Conclusion

AMD Ryzen June 2017 update - Tweaking that CPU and using faster memory = perf

In this article we'll have a look at the current state of Ryzen. Over the past two months a number of things have changed. AMD issued firmware updates to increase memory compatibility mostly. But the trivial question remained, is 1920x1080 performance increasing? It sure is a complicated thing to answer as there are many variables involved, like part of that responsibility is to be found by the software developers. When Ryzen processors where released, most games ran absolutely fine. However there was a handful of titles that performed below par, the biggest of them are Hitman 2016 and of course, Rise of the Tomb Raider.

These games have seen a number of patches and combination of new firmware updates (AGESA 1006), the ability to use faster memory and that combination of factors boost the overall performance. And once you overclock your Ryzen processor towards that 4 GHz domain, combined with the new updates the performance certainly normalizes and becomes impressive even.

In my experiences (and I have stated this many times) a 2933 MHz or 3200 MHz kit is the sweet spot for your game performance. Ryzen certainly likes faster frequency memory. The lower CL14 rated brings another few FPS in 1080p gaming.

As history now has proven, it isn't all about memory though. The recent Hitman and Rise of the Tomb Raider patches/updates clearly have shown that there is a lot of performance to be found at the software developer side of things. Never forget, Intel has had what ... ? 5 year advantage with their processors and platforms? Meanwhile the software industry fine-tuned their programs and applications to that alright. Last but not least, if you go for value and buy say the Ryzen 7 1700 processor at 329 USD we used today, you'll run into the fact that it is a slower clocked proc opposed to say a 500 USD 1800X. The reality however is that at the cost of a bit more energy, you can easily tweak the processor to roughly 4000 MHz. And that's where the true and proper extra performance is to be found. Now granted, tweaking is not everybody's cup of delicious Darjeeling tea. If you go 'ahw hell naw brah' .. on tweaking matters. I'd like to suggest the 1700X or 1800X, but you do pay for that of course. Money deprived? Look at the 6c/12t Ryzen 5 1600 series please. Combined with the right memory and a proper tweak you can achieve increases in performance of up-to 30% (!). The increase in memory can enhance your game-play at CPU bound situation by 5 to 10% Now I do have to state that it is not guaranteed that you will reach say 4 GHz on any Ryzen 7 1700. You'll need a bit of luck with your purchase versus ASIC quality. But that's the same for any GPU/CPU you purchase.

Conclusion

Ryzen is memory frequency dependant and also hungry for lower latency memory, but that's not the all saying conclusion to this article. It is the accumulation of multiple and many factors that is drives up Ryzen performance. We can pass 30% performance on a Ryzen 7 1700 by tweaking the processor and using 2933 or 3200 MHz memory. With game performance at 1080p you at that point will have mostly eliminated any significant enough CPU bottleneck. We see Ryzen performance increasing and the platform stabilizing with each month that passes. These perf increases do happen in very small steps and whether that is from BIOS updates, game engine optimizations, changes in memory frequency and/or overclocks, it all adds up bit by bit. You guys have seen the numbers and effects of up-to AGESA 1006 now. But again AGESA 1006 mostly is about better memory compatibility, and we do have to admit that it improved greatly. Once new significant enough firmwares or software updates are out, we'll once again update with new results. And yes, this article was typed on my Ryzen 5 1600 workstation, at 3200 MHz CL14 of course, yes sir.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

8-core Ryzen CPUs also start at $330 MSRP, not $500.
And the i7-7820X is $600. That is almost halved from the i7-6900K's $1100 price tag though.

But...but....Intel is responding hard to AMD.

 

[Datschge]

Now, if Intel had released a 1151 Z270 6-core and 8-core CPU and priced them competitively, I would have praised them.

Considering how dependent Intel is on their traditional insane margin you are not asking for Intel in "attack mode" but Intel in "suicidal mode". Having to rush a half backed platform only to not fall back in core count to Ryzen and later Threadripper is already bad enough for Intel, they won't kill their margin as well over it.

 

[RumblingRosco]

Various countries - MSI cashback deal for AM4 boards.



Until the end of July only.
https://msi-promotions.com/gb/pages/summercashback/home

Select country: https://msi-promotions.com/

These MSI deals seem retroactive? I bought my MSI MB about 10 days ago, but it looks like it was purchased in the promotional period and should be eligible. Nifty!

Anyway, I just got my PC up and running. Said goodbye to my i5 2500k and bought a Ryzen 1700. Should be great for rendering and for the games I play. I'm currently formatting a new HDD, but after that's done, I'm gonna start the process of getting my 3000 MHz RAM to actually run at 2933 MHz instead of the current 2133 MHz it seems to have defaulted at. Once the RAM is stable, I'll move on to OCing the CPU - aiming for a 3.7 GHz OC, I am not too interested in pushing it hard for the time being.

 

[Delusibeta]

These MSI deals seem retroactive? I bought my MSI MB about 10 days ago, but it looks like it was purchased in the promotional period and should be eligible. Nifty!

Anyway, I just got my PC up and running. Said goodbye to my i5 2500k and bought a Ryzen 1700. Should be great for rendering and for the games I play. I'm currently formatting a new HDD, but after that's done, I'm gonna start the process of getting my 3000 MHz RAM to actually run at 2933 MHz instead of the current 2133 MHz it seems to have defaulted at. Once the RAM is stable, I'll move on to OCing the CPU - aiming for a 3.7 GHz OC, I am not too interested in pushing it hard for the time being.

FYI, this is the second consecutive cashback program MSI is running in the EU. The previous program (now closed) also included Nvidia graphics cards and seem generally higher paying.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Considering how dependent Intel is on their traditional insane margin you are not asking for Intel in "attack mode" but Intel in "suicidal mode". Having to rush a half backed platform only to not fall back in core count to Ryzen and later Threadripper is already bad enough for Intel, they won't kill their margin as well over it.

Please tell me this is a joke.

 

[Flying Toaster]

Considering how dependent Intel is on their traditional insane margin you are not asking for Intel in "attack mode" but Intel in "suicidal mode". Having to rush a half backed platform only to not fall back in core count to Ryzen and later Threadripper is already bad enough for Intel, they won't kill their margin as well over it.

I want the drugs you have. Suicide mode? Please elaborate.

 

[RumblingRosco]

Should I use AMD's master utility software to overclock, or overclock from the BIOS? I have a 1700 paired with an MSI B350M Gaming Pro if that makes a difference. Using the stock wraith spire cooler and only planning to OC to 3.7 GHz.

 

[Datschge]

Please tell me this is a joke.

I want the drugs you have. Suicide mode? Please elaborate.

This is the wrong thread for this, so I'll try to keep it short. Intel has a profit margin of 20.03% which is insanely high for a hardware manufacturer (there is a reason all other high margin companies stopped manufacturing themselves). This is only possible due to the kind of premium they can demand in their core market which is selling x86 chips in the consumer and server market. This is also the reason Intel has such huge issues entering other markets, they simply can't reach the same margin they enjoy in their core market so such efforts are repeatedly cut short. Furthermore Intel has to regularly cut its work force to appease stakeholder. Now the margins so far worked due to Intel's market segmentation strategy, cheaper chips are locked out from numerous features more expensive chips contains so that not only e.g. the frequency and core count pays, but also the number of memory channels, PCIe lanes, access to AVX, ECC RAM etc. pp. Now the rather deep price cut to around half for the upper end of the X299 chips was possible for Intel as the HEDT platform has a limited audience and supply while moving it close enough to the Ryzen offerings. The lower end of the X299 chips didn't move lower in price as that would have required a cascade of price reductions for the mainstream chips that, unlike HEDT chips, are sold in high quantity. Intel won't sell those with a lower margin unless they can't be sold otherwise (and that pressure will only come once demand turns to AMD and they manages to offer a rivaling quantity of its own chips, which isn't going to happen anytime soon).

 

[CazTGG]

There are indicators other than Passmark which highlight Ryzen's popularity in different countries. What effect that ultimately has on marketshare remains to be seen.

Safe to say AMD's share of consumer desktops, servers, HPC, etc. will be higher than it was during the era of Bulldozer and its variants.




Sale price things.


Seems Amazon US had an R7 1700 + mobo for $50 off bundle deal. Not sure if that has ended.



https://twitter.com/Newegg/status/880535303697465344
https://www.newegg.com/product/prod...yzen-_-promocode-meme-_-062917&recaptcha=pass

PC Gamer —— AMD Ryzen 7 1800X processor is on sale for $400 - Grab the fastest Ryzen chip at a discount
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5197000&CatId=7182

Various countries - MSI cashback deal for AM4 boards.



Until the end of July only.
https://msi-promotions.com/gb/pages/summercashback/home

Select country: https://msi-promotions.com/

Urge to skip Threadripper and go with a 1700...rising...

Apparently the MSI rebate isn't available at the same amount in Canada?

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

I'm so behind on Ryzen news so thanks for your info updates Feist. I didn't even realise that Tomb Raider and Hitman had received perfprmance patches.

Anyhow, this is great:

Ryzen is memory frequency dependant and also hungry for lower latency memory, but that's not the all saying conclusion to this article. It is the accumulation of multiple and many factors that is drives up Ryzen performance. We can pass 30% performance on a Ryzen 7 1700 by tweaking the processor and using 2933 or 3200 MHz memory. With game performance at 1080p you at that point will have mostly eliminated any significant enough CPU bottleneck. We see Ryzen performance increasing and the platform stabilizing with each month that passes. These perf increases do happen in very small steps and whether that is from BIOS updates, game engine optimizations, changes in memory frequency and/or overclocks, it all adds up bit by bit.

The platform just improves each month that passes like all the sensible people predicted.

 

[Papacheeks]

I'm so behind on Ryzen news so thanks for your info updates Feist. I didn't even realise that Tomb Raider and Hitman had received perfprmance patches.

Anyhow, this is great:



The platform just improves each month that passes like all the sensible people predicted.

 

[Nokterian]

It has been nearly a month and asus still hasn't brought out the new bios update...how long is this going to take? I mean i don't mind but i really want my memory to work like intended.

 

[Booker.DeWitt]

ok, so can you guys tell me which AMD processor should I get If I plan to build a gaming PC? I wanted something futureproof for at least few years (?4), is ryzen better than intel for gaming purposes only?

 

[Mr Swine]

ok, so can you guys tell me which AMD processor should I get If I plan to build a gaming PC? I wanted something futureproof for at least few years (?4), is ryzen better than intel for gaming purposes only?

Right now the 7700k is the "best" gaming CPU as its way faster than any Ryzen CPU thanks to a higher IPC and higher clocks. But Ryzens advantage is that it has more cores depending on what you buy.l and is best bang for buck

I bought a 1600x and retired my 3570k and I can't be any happier

 

[Khaz]

way faster?

 

[·feist·]

Apparently the MSI rebate isn't available at the same amount in Canada?

Cashback amounts likely vary based on exchange rates and other factors.

Urge to skip Threadripper and go with a 1700...rising...

Sounds familiar...

The recent pre-Threadripper price drops makes the 1700-series look even better though.