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basically america has it own sports, trying to make them like other ones is impossible when they have the belief that they are superior to any other country outside of sports as well. Quite clearly football (soccer) is the most popular sport in the world and by majority rule is also the best.
 

Gorey

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Unltimate Frisbee = Teh Gay!

This allways drives me nuts. Yes, the game has the stupidest name known to man. But let's see you make a 50' hammerthrow, or curve a forward pass around double coverage to a team mate. Bah.
 
Azih said:
Dude Spectral, by your justifications EVERY SPORT IN THE WORLD can be reasonably called 'Football'.


Really? Hockey players run across the goaline to score? Basketball players run through the basket to score? Volleyball players spike the ball and then run to a goal for points? Because baseball players run to home plate, it can "reasonably" be called football? I suppose maybe if they were allowed to catch the pitch and then run the bases with it.
 

Kiriku

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Socreges said:
You are the first person to ever acknowledge this.

Yes, I do believe that obviously. Or maybe I was just asking a question, with an additional comment added because I'm so clever. ;)


Spectral Glider said:
Um, when the game was invented, there was no forward pass. You advanced the ball down the field to the goal by using, um, gee, I dunno, YOUR FEET. And even with the forward pass, you still advance the ball after a catch by using um, you know, YOUR FEET. In the instance of not scoring six points by crossing the goal line, you can try to score a 3 point goal from within the field of play by kicking the ball, (WITH YOUR FEET) over the goal posts. That is why it's called a FIELD GOAL, lest you be confused about where that name came from.

You are right that it shouldn't be called Soccer, Kick Ball would have been more suiting. Or, better yet, Kicking the Ball While Sometimes Using Your Head Ball. Or maybe, Standing Around Waiting for Somebody to Actually Score Points Ball.

Hey, it was actually an honest question. And thanks for the friendly history lesson.

So let me just get this straight...it was called football because you ran while playing it in order to move the ball around?

And yeah, kickball would actually make more sense.
 
TEst Cricket is the most boring sport known to mankind and why is that whenever a team thinks the opoosing player is out they have to apeal to the umpire like idiots. If the umpire thinks its an out he should just give the fucking out the players should not have to dance around like idiots.


ICE Hockey is the greatest sport.
 

alejob

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snaildog said:
Cricket >>>>> Softball/Baseball
Rugby >>>>> American "Football"
Everything >>>>> Basketball

Seriously, they're all simplistic children's sports with barely any strategy.

Discuss.


You lose!
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
snaildog said:
Cricket >>>>> Softball/Baseball
Rugby >>>>> American "Football"
Everything >>>>> Basketball


let me guess, you've played all of those games at a relatively high level of competition, so you're qualified to speak on which is better?


Or you're just pulling it out of your ass?
 
Kiriku said:
Hey, it was actually an honest question. And thanks for the friendly history lesson.

So let me just get this straight...it was called football because you ran while playing it in order to move the ball around?

And yeah, kickball would actually make more sense.

Well, I did answer snidely, sorry bout that. It's just that I've heard this so many times and it's sometimes used by foreigners as a put down, like because they can't undesrtand why it's called football that it makes Americans and their sports inferior or something. Whereas to me, the reason the name came about always seemed rather obvious. When you turn an american football game on, what do you predominantly see? Guys advancing the ball by running with it. Just like the main intent of a basketball game is put the ball through a basket, or the main purpose of baseball is to get on base. I dunno, maybe it's just me.

And didn't the name Soccer come from England anyway?
 

Cimarron

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27-netball.jpg


Netball is where its at biotches.
 

DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
Ice Hockey is indeed the greatest sport ever made. The thrill of skating down the ice at blazing speed, deking everyone then embarassing the goalie just has no equivelant in the other sports.
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
Spectral Glider said:
And didn't the name Soccer come from England anyway?

Yeah, when people started differentiating between "proper football" and "rugby" (before they used the word rugby), they called soccer "association football" (presumably because there was some association that organized it). This was eventually shortened to "assoc" which somehow become soccer. I don't really know how, but that's the generally accepted story.
 

Ramirez

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LMAO...its always great when these threads pop up.

American Football is far more of a chess match than any other sport in any country.

Isn't it a proven fact that hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in any sport?Hitting a 90MPH+ fastball or waiting for a 83MPH- changeup takes skill,not kicking a ball around with your foot and getting lucky enough to kick it in a goal once in a blue moon.

Thank you,come again!
 

olimario

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Ramirez said:
LMAO...its always great when these threads pop up.

American Football is far more of a chess match than any other sport in any country.

Isn't it a proven fact that hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in any sport?Hitting a 90MPH+ fastball or waiting for a 83MPH- changeup takes skill,not kicking a ball around with your foot and getting lucky enough to kick it in a goal once in a blue moon.

Thank you,come again!

IATM
 

All Hail C-Webb

Hailing from the Chill-Web
Australian Football is the only sport that compares with the big 3 (NBA, NFL, MLB).
There's constant movement, lots of scoring, hard hits, flying catches, and is never over untill its over.

If the NHL can't make a comeback, it would be nice if ESPN started covering the AFL abit, just highlights during the playoffs would be enough.
 
Sactown said:
Australian Football is the only sport that compares with the big 3 (NBA, NFL, MLB).
There's constant movement, lots of scoring, hard hits, flying catches, and is never over untill its over.

If the NHL can't make a comeback, it would be nice if ESPN started covering the AFL abit, just highlights during the playoffs would be enough.

You know, I've never seen any of an Australian game. That would be interesting to see. And if you ask me, I wouldn't mind if they wiped out something like Golf from the air waves to see it. Or all this poker bullshit.
 

Boogie

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Minotauro said:
Team sports in general suck. In my opinion, mixed-martial arts is the purest example of sport existing today. When you strip away all the endorsement deals and stadium renovations, sport and competition are really about demonstrating your dominance over an opponent. With team sports, however, this is all completely abstracted. In basketball, you better an opponent by throwing a leather ball through a hoop. In football, you pass over an arbitrary line with a ball. In darts, you throw a piece of plastic with a sharp end at a target. MMA strips all this bullshit away. With team sports, there are too many variables. In MMA, when you force your opponent to quit or render him unable to continue, there is no doubt as to who the winner is.

Preach on, brother!

Hockey rules too, though.
 
hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a baseball. and baseball isnt exclusive to the united states you know.... it's in the caribbean, mexico, south america (a bit) and asia (especially japan where it's extremely popular)
 

snaildog

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I'll bet with anyone that world cricketers would be better at hitting a baseball than baseballers hitting a cricket ball (both with extremely good bowlers/pitchers - I pick Glen McGrath). The amount of different cricket shots you can play due to the 360 field, and the different things the bounce allows the bowler to do with the ball, ensure that it'd be no competition; did I mention the ball can go 100mph?

And yes, American Football does have a bit of strategy if you can't see through my obvious exaggeration. Not as good as rugby, and I'm still not convinced they need all that padding from what I've seen, but Football >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Softball >>> Basketball.

The fact that most people think cricket is boring is a testamont to its depth. Anyone with a bit of intelligence AND who knows how it works can easily be engrossed for five days (By the way, only TEST cricket can go for five days. One-day cricket is more of a dumbed down spectators' version; still great though).
 

BlackMage

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why dont we keep the american hating on the topic of our actual country and government. Why you gotta bring american football into this, huh?! That's crossing the line, bitch!
 
another problem with american sports is the draft and franchises. The draft is rediculous to me, makes the games less sports and more entertainment facilitys as well as verging on communism :p

Franchises disgust me, all about the money. In europe football teams dont move locations (well cept wimbledon but i regard that as a one off) they have heritage built over a 100 years + usually
 
snaildog said:
I'll bet with anyone that world cricketers would be better at hitting a baseball than baseballers hitting a cricket ball (both with extremely good bowlers/pitchers - I pick Glen McGrath). The amount of different cricket shots you can play due to the 360 field, and the different things the bounce allows the bowler to do with the ball, ensure that it'd be no competition; did I mention the ball can go 100mph?

And yes, American Football does have a bit of strategy if you can't see through my obvious exaggeration. Not as good as rugby, and I'm still not convinced they need all that padding from what I've seen, but Football >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Softball >>> Basketball.

The fact that most people think cricket is boring is a testamont to its depth. Anyone with a bit of intelligence AND who knows how it works can easily be engrossed for five days (By the way, only TEST cricket can go for five days. One-day cricket is more of a dumbed down spectators' version; still great though).


cricket playesr only hit one type of pitch. baseball players have to contend with different speeds, arm angles, righty/lefty situations,how the ball curves. whether the pitcher is throwing from the rubber or the strecht position. even the stadiums vary from team to team. in yankee stadium for example the right field fence is dangerous because it's so short. and you have a deep right/center field. in fenway park you have the green monster. in wrigley you have high winds, in colorado you have to contend with the atmosphere (!) and that's just on pitching, i can mention more on hitting too if you'd like.

look, it was a nice atempt at trolling but do your homework next time, mmkay?
p.s softball and baseball are two different beasts. girls play and fat old men play softball, men play baseball.
 

Iceman

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hitting a baseball is a lifelong devotion.. almost noone can do it well or consistently.

I will challenge anyone that says batting in cricket is more difficult than batting in baseball.

That said, the game is so much more about the difficulty. I am in absolute love with the strategy involved in baseball and my favorite part of the game is playing defense.
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
snaildog said:
I'll bet with anyone that world cricketers would be better at hitting a baseball than baseballers hitting a cricket ball (both with extremely good bowlers/pitchers - I pick Glen McGrath). The amount of different cricket shots you can play due to the 360 field, and the different things the bounce allows the bowler to do with the ball, ensure that it'd be no competition; did I mention the ball can go 100mph?

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.


Mind you, I've also played both sports.

*edit - to clarify, I've played cricket recreationally when I was studying abroad. I played baseball for most of my childhood / teenage life.
 

CaptainABAB

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I'm going to have to defend basketball here as it appears no one else will.

First of all, there is a definite flow and strategy to the game. In terms of defense, you can decide whether to play aggressive full-court press or man-to-man or zone or a box & one, or a mix of any of those. You have offense plays - see the Triange from the Bulls & Jordan, the pick and roll, screens/picks, post-ups, backdoor cuts, etc.. You have star players, specialists (three point shooters, shutdown defenders, big men, etc.) and all-around general players. And don't even get me started on the science of good rebounding (boxing out, positioning), footwork, weak vs. strong sides, post plays, etc.

Just b/c the game involves a good amount of scoring doesn't mean it is devoid of strategy and proper execution. Next to football and hockey, it is probably one of the most physical games - not just in terms of contact - and but also in terms of pure athleticism - constant running, jumping, etc. In what other sport are you responsible for guarding someone (with minimal contact) where you are running backward and still have to be close enough to attempt to block their shot?

And if you think "the whistle stops at an arbitrary time ", then the same could be said about any sport with a time limit.

The only downside is when a very bad team plays a very good one and the game is a runaway. Don't bag on the sport just b/c you haven't bothered to take the time to find out more about the sport. I may know nothing about rugby, but I'm not coming in here ripping to shreds b/c it looks like the boringest sport on TV to me.
 

SFA_AOK

Member
Good to see some Cricket love :D

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It takes time to appreciate... It's good to wach for a while, go and do something else, come back watch a few overs.

Merkan Football is OK, though I watch the superbowl. Too stop start like someone else said. Baseball, basketball... meh.
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
MrPing1000 said:
another problem with american sports is the draft and franchises. The draft is rediculous to me

The draft and salary cap in the NFL are one of the best things about it. Stops one team from buying their way to victory...
 

Nerevar

they call me "Man Gravy".
MrPing1000 said:
another problem with american sports is the draft and franchises. The draft is rediculous to me, makes the games less sports and more entertainment facilitys as well as verging on communism :p

There is not a single sport that exists where a draft would not increase parity. The ridiculous situation you have in European and English football leagues just creates a few dominant franchises that no one can compete with (Arsenal, United, Madrid, etc). It's insane.
 
Nerevar said:
There is not a single sport that exists where a draft would not increase parity. The ridiculous situation you have in European and English football leagues just creates a few dominant franchises that no one can compete with (Arsenal, United, Madrid, etc). It's insane.


Thing is other teams can compete with the big clubs. Porto won the Champions League last season a bloody miricle tbh. Valencia won La Liga last season, real madrid won't win it this year either. The premiership has been dominated by Man Utd and Arsenal but just looking at the winners doesn't show the whole story. Blackburn have won it. Aston Villa, Newcastle, Chelsea, Liverpool and even Norwich City have been involved in the title race since its beginning.
 

J2 Cool

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Ok, number one, the reason most foreigners don't like american football is because it is the most complex of sports and they don't take the time to learn it. The strategy goes so deep also. Just watch the show on espn, nfl matchup. They'll break down plays showing the defense, offense, and why the play worked for either side. Why do you think so many rookie qb's don't do well? Because they even don't understand all the workings of defensive strategy. If a team is coached well, understand the game, are calm, aware, etc. Then they can succeed. I can't imagine a sport that requires a coach more.

Most people think of american football in the simplest terms and if you were to do that it would be played like 1950's football. The hard hits, amazing catches, and beautiful runs are always a redeeming quality but football to be played right has to be played on all cyclinders. offensive line, rb, qb, wr(routes), d-line, cb's, safety's. It's the ultimate team sport and it still allows for players to take over a game based on skill. Everybody loves a sport hero, everybody loves a brilliant strategy. From week to week seeing the most skilled players in the world vs the best taught is just so exciting. It's completely unpredictable, and yet not based on luck as the Patriots have shown over their amazing streak.

Basketball on the other hand is moving away from strategy and more towards skill. Michael Jordan is the greatest sports hero I've ever seen, and yet everyone wanting to be him, don't understand that so many other things worked for the Bulls for Jordan to be what he was. Throughout basketball history though there has been amazing teams assembled, great strategies, etc. Assembling the team in fact part of the strategy. Most teams need a center, a shooting guard, a man at point to run the offense. I don't see it as a back and forth, whoever's up at the end is the lucky winner. There's a reason why the Bulls won 2 3-peats through the 90's. There's a reason why the Celtics and Lakers of the 80's were too much for the rest of the league. A good portion is smart players with a sense of the moment to put them over. The other bit is strategy.

Teamwork when applied can defeat any one player. It's been proven over and over. The best team in basketball should win. I enjoy college basketball even more because of being more reliant on strategy than individuals. But the nba has had their share of great teams. Just watch a tape of the Bulls vs. Suns in '93. Yes, Michael Jordan was great, but these two teams were in a complete struggle for control. You had to consistently operate like a team to win. Especially in the moments you needed the points the most. Example, Jordan, to Pippen, to Paxson, for 3 and the win. That took guts to decide to take the 3-point shot when 2 tied it. Tell me no strategy is used there. Plus, when a team you love is making a run during a game there's not many adreaneline rushes that match that seeing your team get right back in the game. It always seems like poetry in motion to me. When a player just feels it too and becomes unstoppable. There's a whole lot of great moments through a basketball game

Baseball meanwhile is popular in many countries for a reason. Like said, hitting a baseball is likely the hardest thing to do in proffessional sports. A player trains from when he was 5 or so to hit a baseball. Start on a tee, now toss the ball, now faster, faster. To even be able to hit a fastball is a major accomplishment. Like a master of swordplay or something. You have to know timing, you have to train your eye to know where and when the ball is coming. And most of all at a big league level on top of all that you have to play a chess match with the pitcher. A great pitcher can end a game before it starts or a great hitter could change a game with the swing of a bat or his very presence( Barry Bonds ). A great team meanwhile know when and how to hit a ball. Sacrifice flies, bunts to advance runners, groundballs to opposite sides.

Baserunning is an art also, defense is an integral part of a team. Every run counts and there's so many ways to score or prevent a score. I really really love baseball. Likely my favorite sport when the Cubs are playing well. Everything from the lineup of a team (moving around contact hitters, homerun hitters, clutch hitters) to aqquiring the players needed to effeciently play a 9 inning game is important. The Cubs weak spot, a bullpen and a goat. Thus we didnt make the playoffs. In no way were we the best team. And our hitting failed down the stretch likely due to lack of players playing well under presssure. But at the same time, as a fan being able to point that out as our flaws is satisfying. It's a sport where strategy, heroes, and everything else is just embraced by the fans. I'd pick it as my favorite sport. I have thought it was dull when I was younger but you just need to learn the game. It's really an amazing game.
 

Socreges

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Isn't it a proven fact that hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in any sport?Hitting a 90MPH+ fastball or waiting for a 83MPH- changeup takes skill,not kicking a ball around with your foot and getting lucky enough to kick it in a goal once in a blue moon.

Thank you,come again!
That was the dumbest argument I've ever seen. Seriously, what the fuck was that.
 

J2 Cool

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Socreges said:
That was the dumbest argument I've ever seen. Seriously, what the fuck was that.

the first post had equally stupid comments.

"Cricket >>>>> Softball/Baseball
Rugby >>>>> American "Football"
Everything >>>>> Basketball

Seriously, they're all simplistic children's sports with barely any strategy.

Games of cricket develop over hours and days like chess, subtle advantages being gained all the time, infinite different techniques available at the captain's disposal. Softball: HIT DUH RUN.

Rugby is a physical, hard-fought game of possession, every player having a different role in the team that goes beyond stature or position; even your average New Zealander can barely comprehend most of the rules. Football is just a bunch of poofs in shoulderpads with socks down their pants, hiffing a tiny ball around which still dwarfs the size of their testicles."


Just the way some people feel about american sports we feel about their's. It's because, from a very general view, people don't understand the sport and don't take the time to. Everyone is going to have their own personal favorites and shun others because they really don't know them. So I'd have to agree with Eminem, this is the worst thread ever.
 

Socreges

Banned
J2 Cool and Desperado, I direct you to my second post in this thread, in reply to the topic-starter:

My counter-argument would be: You explain the complexities of sports that you hold dear and take some time to truly appreciate. You then simplify the American sports and dismiss them, without doing the same. If you're not trying to make a point by being ironic, then you're just a hypocrite.

So, rather than dismiss my post by pointing to snaildog, accept that both sides can be stupid. I even made an argument for the strategy of baseball on the first page, but what Ramirez said was just bizarre.
 
J2 Cool basically summed up everything well. Personally, baseball is my favorite sport because I've been playing it all my life, and I can appreciate just how freaking hard it is to hit well on a consistent basis. I really would like to try out cricket to see how hard it is comparatively to baseball. God, the MLB playoffs every year remind me why baseball is so great. Of course, the regular season is pretty much garbage most of the time.

Edit: I love rugby just as much as American football.
 

retardboy

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OMG you guys are stupid.

Basketball >>>>>> EVERYTHING period

How could you possibly not like basketball?

Second is baseketball. lol
 

Mashing

Member
Fuck you, I like American sports and I don't have justify my like of them to you... I also don't like many foreign sports either... why? Who knows, I just don't like them. That doesn't mean foreign sports suck, I just don't like them. Each one is not mutually exclusive to the other.
 
retardboy said:
OMG you guys are stupid.

Basketball >>>>>> EVERYTHING period

How could you possibly not like basketball?

Second is baseketball. lol


Basketball is fun to play, but I find watching a basketball game to be an excercise in sheer boredom.
 

retardboy

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Spectral Glider said:
Basketball is fun to play, but I find watching a basketball game to be an excercise in sheer boredom.


WHAT?! You crazy!

Hockey is boring to watch! Soccer is boring to watch! BASEBALL is the BORINGEST to watch! Basketball is not boring! Neither is volleyball with them bouncing boobies and all.
 

DonasaurusRex

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...In case you guys werent watching that thing called the Olympics a few months back it doesnt look like Basketball is "just" American anymore. Baseball HA dont make me laugh tons of countries play baseball. I dont think you even understand football at all, not past the ball goes in the endzone so i wont comment.
 
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