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Android Hardware Thread - 2009 Edition

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Pretty interesting (technical) article on the Android vs iPhone OS platform.

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The differences between developing for Android and for the iPhone are not a clear win for either camp. Both offer somewhat similar tools in terms of capability, with Google’s being more familiar to open source or Java developers and Apple’s being nearly identical to its desktop Mac platform tools. Apple has a minor lead in having deployed its platform about a year and a half before Android reached the market, and because it has been actively working on its Mac OS X platform for over a decade; Google is new to the platform development business.

However, the team Google acquired to put Android together has been working within the company for about as long as Apple’s own efforts on the iPhone; both got started on their current strategies around 2005. Outside of Google, the original Android project dates back to 2003, and was largely built upon on operating system technology that started at Danger in 2000, around the same time as Mac OS X’s modern development. So in many respects, Android and iPhone are contemporary platforms, as opposed to Symbian, BlackBerry OS, and Windows Mobile which had their core foundations designed in the mid 90s to serve very different purposes as simple PDA or pager operating systems.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/...droid-and-apples-iphone-os-as-core-platforms/
 
Apple has a minor lead in having deployed its platform about a year and a half before Android reached the market

Except, the Android SDK was released over seven months before the iPhone's was (November 2007 vs June 2008.)
 
jonnybryce said:
The web browser is awesome. It can be a bit choppy when initially loading a page, though not always, but then browsing becomes super smooth kinetic swiping.

I like it over the iPhone browser for a few reasons, one being the flash, another being that when I lift my finger from my swipe the page will keep going which gives me the option of how far I want to keep scrolling with fewer swipes, and also because the Hero browser wraps text at whatever zoom level you pick, unlike the iPhone where there is only 1 zoom level that will show all the text and after that if you zoom in the text doesn't reformat.

That's aside from the awesome visual bookmarks and bookmark widgets, plus the dedicated google search key...it really is the best web browsing experience I've had. Plus it's so fast thanks to Sprint.

Yeah, pinch to zoom isn't always as silky smooth as on iPhone...but everything else exceeds it in my most honest opinion.

How is the android market? Is it all gimped like the Rogers phones seem to be?
 
zedge said:
How is the android market? Is it all gimped like the Rogers phones seem to be?
It's still the 1.5 Market, so it just kinda sucks from oldness. The new market layout is way better. But this is just because the Hero still is on 1.5 and not 1.6. When 2.0 lands, it'll have the new, better market. PEACE.
 
Pimpwerx said:
It's still the 1.5 Market, so it just kinda sucks from oldness. The new market layout is way better. But this is just because the Hero still is on 1.5 and not 1.6. When 2.0 lands, it'll have the new, better market. PEACE.

Yea but in Canada on the Rogers Android phones (Dream, Magic) they blocked alot of the content from what I have heard... Just wondering if its like this on Telus.
 
zedge said:
Yea but in Canada on the Rogers Android phones (Dream, Magic) they blocked alot of the content from what I have heard... Just wondering if its like this on Telus.

The Canadian market is blocked to paid apps, for the simple reason that US and Canada have different rights and licenses. I'd imagine this is the same for Telus.
 
Just thinking out loud but, I'm hoping for a newer Android phone from HTC. Hopefully soon. Wasn't there a report that 13 smartphones were coming to Verizon by end of year? Don't know how that would be possible with all the money being spent marketing the Droid but, I'm not totally sold on it. I love the Eris's styling...I want to see more from HTC!
 
TheMissingLink said:
The phone in that Photoshop.com ad is sexy, any idea which phone it is?

Probably the free Google Ion from this years Google I/O. Also known as the HTC Magic or myTouch 3G.

If you mean the actual pic I posted, that's just an emulator skin. First released in... December 2007, if I recall. Doesn't represent any real phone.
 
SRG01 said:
The Canadian market is blocked to paid apps, for the simple reason that US and Canada have different rights and licenses. I'd imagine this is the same for Telus.

Well hopefully they sort that out. Apple did.
 
Fatalah said:
Just thinking out loud but, I'm hoping for a newer Android phone from HTC. Hopefully soon. Wasn't there a report that 13 smartphones were coming to Verizon by end of year? Don't know how that would be possible with all the money being spent marketing the Droid but, I'm not totally sold on it. I love the Eris's styling...I want to see more from HTC!

I agree, I want to see some more Android offerings from them. No worries though, since HTC craps out phones like no ones business. I'm sure we'll see something soon.
 
Andrex when is your app thread coming out, argh!

Also, it's weird how I can type better on my Hero in portrait than my iPhone despite it being a smaller screen. I was sure I'd have to always go into landscape to type but I never have to. The predictive text on it is awesome, but I'm not even relying on it that heavily.

Hero ftw.
 
jonnybryce said:
Andrex when is your app thread coming out, argh!

Also, it's weird how I can type better on my Hero in portrait than my iPhone despite it being a smaller screen. I was sure I'd have to always go into landscape to type but I never have to. The predictive text on it is awesome, but I'm not even relying on it that heavily.

Hero ftw.

Hey, someone noticed this too. I can type way better on the Magic/Hero, and yet I can't type on the iPhone. It's strange...
 
SRG01 said:
Hey, someone noticed this too. I can type way better on the Magic/Hero, and yet I can't type on the iPhone. It's strange...
Not me, but I think that's because I calibrated it using two hands, whereas I usually type with one hand in portrait. I am trying go figure out which hand to use to calibrate it properly, since I tend to use either hand depending on the situation. It makes a difference, the calibration does. PEACE.
 
For those who are interested, a rooting solution has been found for the Sprint Hero. This can allow you to install apps to SD and hopefully flash cooked ROMs in the future.
 
jonnybryce said:
Andrex when is your app thread coming out, argh!

Also, it's weird how I can type better on my Hero in portrait than my iPhone despite it being a smaller screen. I was sure I'd have to always go into landscape to type but I never have to. The predictive text on it is awesome, but I'm not even relying on it that heavily.

Hero ftw.

Do mind if I ask what type of plan you got with Telus? :D
 
Has anyone here gotten a Droid Eris? I've got a month before I get back in the US and have to decide between the Droid and Droid Eris. The Eris seems like a great phone that's being overshadowed by the Droid. I have no particular need for GPS capability. Any Eris owners here who want to report their impressions, since the rest of the Internet seems to be Droid-crazy?
 
LouieGeetoo said:
Has anyone here gotten a Droid Eris? I've got a month before I get back in the US and have to decide between the Droid and Droid Eris. The Eris seems like a great phone that's being overshadowed by the Droid. I have no particular need for GPS capability. Any Eris owners here who want to report their impressions, since the rest of the Internet seems to be Droid-crazy?

Eris is a variant of the HTC Hero, you can already find impressions on it at a lot of places including in the meet the HTC Hero thread. It's a very solid phone and the most liked Android phone before Droid came out. What you would be lacking by getting Eris over the Droid would be a better processor, much larger and higher resolution screen, and a hardware keyboard. On the flipside, Eris also has the HTC Sense UI which adds very neat widgets and some skinning on the homescreen interface that you may like, while Droid only comes with stock Android.

Most likely you won't be missing out on GPS features since that's something that would be included when the Eris is updated to Android 2.0.
 
Not sure if this was posted, but I guess Dell's android phone has been approved:

http://phandroid.com/2009/11/07/dells-mini-3ix-hits-the-states/

Earlier today the FCC approved Dell’s first Android phone, the Mini 3ix. AT&T is expected to carry Dell’s Mini 3iX in Q1 2010.

Initially Dell reps said the phone would just be available in China. However, with AT&T falling behind the android market share it would make sense to have a proven product.

Unlike the Chinese version the AT&T version will have Wi-Fi and 3G. The phone also comes with 850 and 1900 MHz bands, a 3.5-inch 640×360 touch screen display, A-GPS, built-in support for Microsoft Exchange, 3 MP camera with autofocus and flash, microSD card slot, and a virtual keyboard. Unfortunately, there are no specs as to the horsepower, ROM, RAM and screen type.
dellmini3i.jpg

PEACE.
 
LouieGeetoo said:
Has anyone here gotten a Droid Eris? I've got a month before I get back in the US and have to decide between the Droid and Droid Eris. The Eris seems like a great phone that's being overshadowed by the Droid. I have no particular need for GPS capability. Any Eris owners here who want to report their impressions, since the rest of the Internet seems to be Droid-crazy?

I posted some brief impressions from about 10 minutes of testing the Eris in the main Droid thread. My opinion was that I liked the Eris better overall. The main thing is that I don't think I would use the hardware keyboard, the Droid is ugly (other than the beautiful screen), the Eris would feel much better in the pocket since it is smaller, lighter, and has rounded edges rather than protruding angles, and the screen felt more responsive when using the OS keyboard or flicking around the home screen (most likely due to Sense).

For me, the ergonomics of a phone, both from a hardware and software standpoint, are just as important as the technical specs.
 
Hero owners I have the HTC mail app for a yahoo account and Gmail app for my Gmail. I want the HTC Mail Widget to show my Gmail like it does in the preview of the widget but it always shows my Yahoo, is there a way to switch it or is, as I fear, that widget linked to the mail widget and unable to talk to the Gmail app?

zedge said:
Do mind if I ask what type of plan you got with Telus? :D

I'm on Sprint lol
 
jonnybryce said:
Hero owners I have the HTC mail app for a yahoo account and Gmail app for my Gmail. I want the HTC Mail Widget to show my Gmail like it does in the preview of the widget but it always shows my Yahoo, is there a way to switch it or is, as I fear, that widget linked to the mail widget and unable to talk to the Gmail app?
You have to add your gmail account to the HTC mail app. It's automated, so just enter username and pass. Once you do that, it will show up in the list with the yahoo account, and you can choose it. You'll probably want to disable notifications in the Gmail app after this. I use the HTC mail app for all my Gmail accounts. I did the same with with the email app on my myTouch before this. The Gmail app doesn't offer that much better functionality than the regular one. PEACE.
 
I tried the G1 like two days back. The Keyboard was nice and I dug the OS and all that. Tried the Cliq demo unit (that wasn't a "live" one) and the keyboard just feels hard as fuck. :/ I'm not sure if I really want a Cliq anymore now that I've held it and the keyboard is hard/squished.

I don't really dig the slide-touch-screen thing the G1 has going on. But I like it more than the MyTouch that T-mobile has.

Is there any Android 2.0 phones coming out that have a Keyboard feeling similar to the G1?
 
Totakeke said:
Eris is a variant of the HTC Hero, you can already find impressions on it at a lot of places including in the meet the HTC Hero thread. It's a very solid phone and the most liked Android phone before Droid came out. What you would be lacking by getting Eris over the Droid would be a better processor, much larger and higher resolution screen, and a hardware keyboard. On the flipside, Eris also has the HTC Sense UI which adds very neat widgets and some skinning on the homescreen interface that you may like, while Droid only comes with stock Android.

Most likely you won't be missing out on GPS features since that's something that would be included when the Eris is updated to Android 2.0.
I knew all of this already, but thanks for the post. It'll at least be informative for others reading the thread.
tokkun said:
I posted some brief impressions from about 10 minutes of testing the Eris in the main Droid thread. My opinion was that I liked the Eris better overall. The main thing is that I don't think I would use the hardware keyboard, the Droid is ugly (other than the beautiful screen), the Eris would feel much better in the pocket since it is smaller, lighter, and has rounded edges rather than protruding angles, and the screen felt more responsive when using the OS keyboard or flicking around the home screen (most likely due to Sense).

For me, the ergonomics of a phone, both from a hardware and software standpoint, are just as important as the technical specs.
Our thoughts about what we want in a phone seem to match up. I'll probably be going with the Eris unless something big happens in the next month. Thanks for your impressions!
 
jonnybryce said:
Hero owners I have the HTC mail app for a yahoo account and Gmail app for my Gmail. I want the HTC Mail Widget to show my Gmail like it does in the preview of the widget but it always shows my Yahoo, is there a way to switch it or is, as I fear, that widget linked to the mail widget and unable to talk to the Gmail app?



I'm on Sprint lol

:lol

Sorry. For some reason I though you were on Telus..
 
TheSeks said:
I tried the G1 like two days back. The Keyboard was nice and I dug the OS and all that. Tried the Cliq demo unit (that wasn't a "live" one) and the keyboard just feels hard as fuck. :/ I'm not sure if I really want a Cliq anymore now that I've held it and the keyboard is hard/squished.

I don't really dig the slide-touch-screen thing the G1 has going on. But I like it more than the MyTouch that T-mobile has.

Is there any Android 2.0 phones coming out that have a Keyboard feeling similar to the G1?

The only phone confirmed to have 2.0 right now is the Droid. And in fact, the Droid's keyboard has been compared to the G1's a couple times because they're both really flat and flush.
 
TheSeks said:
I tried the G1 like two days back. The Keyboard was nice and I dug the OS and all that. Tried the Cliq demo unit (that wasn't a "live" one) and the keyboard just feels hard as fuck. :/ I'm not sure if I really want a Cliq anymore now that I've held it and the keyboard is hard/squished.

I don't really dig the slide-touch-screen thing the G1 has going on. But I like it more than the MyTouch that T-mobile has.

Is there any Android 2.0 phones coming out that have a Keyboard feeling similar to the G1?
I've never used the Cliq. However, I tried a dummy unit for the Droid while waiting on line for the real one, and the keyboard was totally fugazi. The keys took like 800N to press down and it didn't feel usable at all. Needless to say, the real unit is nowhere near that bad. Just something to keep in mind: it's very stupid, but the dummy units are often very different from the live ones.

What "slide-touch-screen thing" are you talking about? The G1 and MyTouch OS ROMs are almost identical.
 
IM SO EXCITED!!!!:D :D :D :D

So today at work, a customer came in with what he thought was a busted G1. He said he had tried everything to get it to work, and wated to upgrade to a mytouch. Well I sold him the phone and he was all happy to get it. I started playing with his G1 and lo and behold it turns on and works. I asked him if he wanted to reverse the upgrade and he said no and told me I could keep the phone!:D :lol

Now as im working around with it Ive found that the call,home, back, end keeys dont work and the charging port is damaged. I think ill get these repaired(anyone know how much that should run me?) My employee plan is $20 unlimited text web and minutes.

ANDROID HERE I COME!!!!!!:D :D :D :D
 
Battersea Power Station said:
What "slide-touch-screen thing" are you talking about? The G1 and MyTouch OS ROMs are almost identical.

You have to slide the touch-screen of the G1 sideways to get to the keyboard. It's not terrible, but I feel like I'm going to break the damn thing accidentally sliding it out like that. (Well that and the Home/Phone/End Phone/... buttons are on a "lip" to the right of the keyboard, which is slightly annoying to me)

Andrex said:
The only phone confirmed to have 2.0 right now is the Droid. And in fact, the Droid's keyboard has been compared to the G1's a couple times because they're both really flat and flush.

That looks sexy. But the keyboard looks like the Cliq's which is kinda boxy/square and squished. :/ I do like how it slides out and nothing sticks out from the keyboard/other buttons on it though.

And I'm not quite sold on Verizon.

I'd have to try a Live unit before I could see though.

Needless to say, the real unit is nowhere near that bad. Just something to keep in mind: it's very stupid, but the dummy units are often very different from the live ones.

If the Cliq's keyboard is as hard as the dummy units, I'm not sure I want one. I'm coming from the Danger Hiptop lines, so I'm looking for a keyboard that's similar to it (but I know that ain't going to happen), at least in terms of feel/space. I don't want to accidentally hit a wrong key because the keyboard is super squished and I want a easy-to-hit keyboard on the phone with light resistance.

I'm basically waiting for the Android 2.0 line to see what is going to happen, but if worse comes to worse I'm going to look into the 1.0s
 
jonnybryce said:
Most often dummy keyboards don't function at all and thus are a lot harder than the real deal.

This is very true. Most dummies are just a pile of glue and plastic. ask to see the real phone.
 
htc-dragon.jpg



BoyGeniusReport.com said:
Pardon us while we think out loud, but that high resolution screen with an HTC Sense UI-looking clock/weather widget looks like Android to us. We’ve also confirmed that this photo was taken of a Verizon handset, and with all signs pointing to an impending release, we’re just going to venture out on a limb and say that we believe this photo is of HTC’s next Android device for Verizon Wireless. In case you forgot, the rumored device we’re talking about is supposedly one bad ass piece of telephonery — 5 megapixel camera, Android 2.0, and much, much more. One of connects said this thing could be out as early as Black Friday, and while it seems a little far fetched, we’re slowly coming around to the possibility.
UPDATE: Actually, I meant to write mid-December. Our previous scoop said either the Curve2 or Dragon would come out around Black Friday, and we know that the Curve2 is being released on November 20th.

This is the Android I want!
 
Whazzat? Do we not have any real pictures/specs for it yet?

Based on all the trouble I am having securing a Droid it doesn't hurt to look to the future...
 
So, how "sure" is the Droid coming to T-Mobile in the Spring? I don't expect anything official to be announced 'til January, because of the window of exclusivity. However, the leak that showed the Sholes and Sholes Tablet (keyboard-less Droid) coming to T-Mobile looked solid.
 
Yeah, I'm interested to see what the specs are on the Passion, but that screenshot tells us nothing. It could be TouchFlo running on Windows Mobile for all we know.

Also, I really hope the Passion is not an Android version of the HD2 as was originally rumored. Who really wants a ridiculous 4.3" screen? The Droid is already pushing the limits on what I would consider an acceptable size for a phone.
 
i wouldn't count much on the droid coming to tmobile in the spring, at least in the US. from what i remember of that picture it still had the droid listed as coming out before the cliq, and so it may have been before any exclusivity deal was made. some of it may even hinge on sales data. it's possible, but i wouldn't count much on it.
 
Fatalah said:
http://media.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/htc-dragon.jpg[IMG]




This is the Android I want![/QUOTE]


i don't get why they think this is android. HTC reuses assets all the time and that looks identical to its windows mobile little widget thing they have. you can see exactly the same thing on the HTC website.
 
It is slightly different though, for one thing, I've never seen colored text on it. But it could be a simple user hack or mod.

Here's another Android phone from Japan.

Engadget said:
Android: The simply-named Android runs -- you guessed it -- Android with a 3.7 inch AMOLED display and 1GHz Snapdragon processor; unfortunately, it won't be available until next Spring and the manufacturer isn't being revealed right now.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/10/ntt-docomo-softbank-announce-grand-total-of-37-phones-android/
 
tokkun said:
Who really wants a ridiculous 4.3" screen? The Droid is already pushing the limits on what I would consider an acceptable size for a phone.

Could be in the minority but I do. For one if it came with a physical keyboard it would mean the layout could be bigger or include more rows.

Best way to put it: I'd like a pocket sized netbook that can be used as a PDA and cell phone. Maybe thats asking for too much and it starts getting non-practical at that point.
 
For those people who are not infected with Droid fever, there have been continuing developments with the Sprint Hero now that it is rooted.

MoDaCo has released a custom ROM that gives the ability to do WiFi tethering and install apps to the SD card.
 
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