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Andy Greenwald's 2015 Fall (Network) TV Preview: "Burn It All Down"

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Doesn't surprise me, nothing looks even remotely interesting to me this fall season.

The only new show I will check out is Crazy Ex-Girlfriend - but that's on CW, an he doesn't mention CW at all.
It's the network with the strongest line-up.
 

Nobility

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So he's inferring that Person of Interest could start airing sooner?

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ivysaur12

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I'll see for myself. I doubt it's blasphemous, and I do think some of these critics forget that the original Muppet Show had lots of behind-the-scenes shenanigans (although restricted to the theater). I think it's more likely the show misses the mark by a matter of degrees. Particularly in foregrounding the relationships and demystifying the Muppets with so much of their personal lives and romantic interaction with humans. Certainly all of the stuff about following their dating lives sounds really off to me.

That stuff doesn't bother me. I think it's funny that Fozzie can't get a date because he says he's a bear. Stuff that is funny and can be played with, but it's not for everyone.

Meanwhile on cable tv:

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Freshman cable dramas aren't really having that great year, outside of Mr. Robot and UnReal.
 

Toothless

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I've been reading a lot of mixed reviews for Muppets, but I'll still check it out. Just kinda wishing Segel's Muppet Show was picked up back in 2012 instead.
 
I've been reading a lot of mixed reviews for Muppets, but I'll still check it out. Just kinda wishing Segel's Muppet Show was picked up back in 2012 instead.

I had some minor interest in the Muppets which completely evaporated once I saw it was on Tuesdays. I'm already DVRing too many other shows that day.
 
I had a similar feeling when I looked at the upcoming schedule a couple days ago, and then looked at a few trailers, but stopped at that new Zack Morris show. Nope's all around.
 

VanWinkle

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There were a bunch of good shows I enjoyed last fall season, but man is this new season terrible looking. I'm probably going to watch Supergirl, but even that I'm not entirely sure about.
 
I hope Blindspot turns out decent. Sucker for the premise. Like the lead.

There is potential but they really need to step things up fast.
Having someone as talented as Jamie Alexander play a literal McGuffin person with no personality except being super good at everything will get stale really fast. And don't even mention the carbon copy of a carbon copy of Damien Scott that Sullivan Stapleton is playing.
 
Grantland is a lot like 1up to me. A lot of talented people with good personalities. I unfortunately think it'll die sooner rather than later.
 
I'm not surprised Quantico is being reviewed poorly, it just screams trash TV that hinges everything on the whodunit and the eventual, and quite possibly stupid twist.
 

zychi

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Grantland is a lot like 1up to me. A lot of talented people with good personalities. I unfortunately think it'll die sooner rather than later.

It's going to lose the sports crowd now that Simmons is gone and Lowe will end up at ESPN/TNT (not sure about his contract). It's weird to see sites like this and the Verge's deaths just lingering in front of us.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
I'm not surprised Quantico is being reviewed poorly, it just screams trash TV that hinges everything on the whodunit and the eventual, and quite possibly stupid twist.
Don't forget the ridiculous juxtaposition of 9/11 2.0 and pretty people having sexy times in their dorms.
 

TimmiT

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Good to hear that the new Muppets may not be bad after all. I don't really mind them handling the characters differently, as long as they do it well.
 
I can't remember the last time I watched a season of a network TV show to completion.

I can: Hannibal just a few weeks ago.

Network television isn't great, but I still watch 10+ shows across the big four and their pretty little brother the CW in a typical year.
 

Lonestar

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So he's inferring that Person of Interest could start airing sooner?

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I'd say CBS deserves all the horrible shows it'll get, but it's already had them for years, minus Person of Interest (and I guess The Good Wife, going by how people here like the show).
 

Tobor

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As always I'll watch nothing and wait and see what happens. If any of the shows are worth watching, they're worth waiting for a full season to binge.
 

Ashok

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Both have left network tv to sit in its heavily censored, neutered pile of poopy.
I would agree that network is extremely problematic but NBC's Hannibal didn't feel remotely "censored" or "neutered" to me. Heck, I think it'd actually be an even lesser show on cable.
 
It's going to lose the sports crowd now that Simmons is gone and Lowe will end up at ESPN/TNT (not sure about his contract). It's weird to see sites like this and the Verge's deaths just lingering in front of us.

Let's not pretend The Verge had anyone as good as Alex Pappademas and Wesley Morris writing for them.
 
One of the linked articles in there was a fun read:

"Television 2015: Five Shows They Will Never Stop Making"

2. Charismatic Monster Theater. If you want to spend a lot of time learning about people who kill a lot of other people, you should watch Charismatic Monster Theater, where nothing is more interesting than what makes men become superficially charming but secretly brutal. Charismatic Monster is seen early on, say, stealing a cat from a drug dealer and giving it to a hospitalized child he met at the library. He then kills the drug dealer and, in the moment that will be analyzed on social media for months, burns down the library with the bureaucratic director inside, leading to the construction of a newer, better library that is somehow named after the cat.
 

Faddy

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His going to the NYT was reported on for a while. Deadspin had a "future of Grantland" feature up like 2 months ago, and they were talking about Wesley Morris's contract negotiations.

It's a shame. Grantland gave a super serious, super accomplished writer a really unique platform.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that their pop culture writers are way better than their sports writers.

Morris and Greenwald are at the peak of their game for me. Greenwald especially has grown in the last year or so and is undoubtedly my favourite TV critic. Wesley was good before Grantland and is a big loss I don't see them trying to replace. This is probably the beginning of the end for the pop culture stuff.

The sports writers are top too. Bill Barnwell and Zach Lowe are must reads and must listen to. Barnwell and Robert Mays have such great chemistry on their NFL podcast. There is still a Simmons sized hole, someone with the remit to take on everything in a column and talk about multiple sports and cultures and generally have free reign to write what they like for example his great steroids piece. And no one else touches gambling aspects and understanding bookies thinking is an interesting way to think about sports.
 
The New York Times created a "critic at large" position for Wesley so it's possible he would have left regardless of Simmons situation, unless espn was willing to throw buckets of money at him. But could be the start of a bunch of people leaving. Which sucks cuz Grantland was legit the best place for writing on the Internet for a while.
 

ryseing

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<3 Greenwald. His podcasts are awesome.

Not a single new show interests me besides The Muppets and now I'm worried about that.
 
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