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[Mazre]

What is your reasoning for voting SalvaPot? Just voting for someone won't make other people want to
evict them.

Since someone asked, I only get notified if someone performs an action, not if they are targetted. I also get notified by passive abilities.

Thanks. So according to you, if Haly, RNH, KK, or myself takes a night action active or passive you will be notified that something occurred but not what or by who. You further state that something happened night 1 but not night 2.

My suspicion right now is that we may have a second commuter. Perhaps one who is out of town on odd nights instead of even nights.

 

[freakzilla149]

What is your reasoning for voting SalvaPot? Just voting for someone won't make other people want to
evict them.

Since someone asked, I only get notified if someone performs an action, not if they are targetted. I also get notified by passive abilities.

My suspicions from the previous day haven't disappeared.

 

[Haly]

Thinking about it more closely, I'm sure the Gossip role is intended to put pressure on HHA. It's one thing to be one voice in a sea of discussion, but another to have a head-to-head dialogue. The effectiveness of the role probably scales with how well Razmos and Foshy can press their neighbors for information, and their inclination to do so (since it's not an easy thing).

 

[SalvaPot]

What is your reasoning for voting SalvaPot? Just voting for someone won't make other people want to
evict them.

Since someone asked, I only get notified if someone performs an action, not if they are targetted. I also get notified by passive abilities.

Its because I voted for him yesterday and have been vocal about my suspicions on him, nin and, until his claim, foshy. I believe foshy for now, so I think my third suspect would 21gunshow

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Interesting developments. Like Haly said, unless Time/Fran/Raz are all HHA, think it's ok assuming they are town. With Fran seeming to be town and Ultron saying he is town, that means two towns in apartments or Ultron is HHA. I guess it doesn't matter now, since to kill Fran the have to kill their own, or if they have been getting protected at night, they will continue to get protected. It seems we believe Foshy is town gossip as well. If we beleive there is at least one HHA by each gossip, then Nin1000 falls within that theory. As a reminder, here is the voting for HippieHobo
===========
Votes for HippieHobo
RNH, Darryle, Freak, Ultron, Kalor, Hobo, Salva
Votes for HippieHoob that changed - OB/Nin

I'd like to point out that none of the 3 confirmed townies, voted for him. So that increases the chances that a few HHA are among them I think. *Kalor seems townie with his role claim, but not confirmed*

Nin/Hodo/OB voted within 10min of eachother for hippie

Freak/Darryl voted Hippie close to each other
==================

About 21GunShow - I hope this guy didn't have power role for town. I'm assuming he was just a reg townie due to him abandoning?

@FreakzillaA̶n̶y̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶v̶o̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶S̶a̶l̶v̶a̶p̶o̶t̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶r̶a̶n̶d̶o̶m̶l̶y̶ ̶v̶o̶t̶i̶n̶g̶?̶ ̶A̶n̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶a̶d̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶f̶o̶r̶m̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶c̶l̶o̶s̶e̶d̶?̶
NVM, answered while I was preparing this post.

Also, Salvapot/Kingkitty, do you have anything to say about my post earlier in teh thread?

Kingkitty - KingKitty votes for Freakzilla just to do something different. Could be a situation where mafia votes for another mafia to throw suspension once majority already votes for townie. On the day Hippie was evicted, said he had no problem bandwagon voting Freak, but defended him on day one from getting evicted.

Salvapot - Only voted for hippie because he didnt want to risk a tie, which also removed his vote from nin. What made Hippie stick out more than nin? Hippie at the time admitted he was a power role. Could be a situation where Salva and Nin are both Mafia, and Nin didn't want to be the final vote for a townie, so had Salva switch his vote.

Confirmed Town
Timeasis
Franconp
Razmos
Foshy - Counting him since Raz confirmed the 4 rule thing that was posted in his private about the role? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Razmos]

Confirmed Town
Timeasis
Franconp
Razmos
Foshy - Counting him since Raz confirmed the 4 rule thing that was posted in his private about the role? Correct me if I'm wrong.

It doesn't confirm that anyone is town really, it was just a way of confirming that Foshy has the ability he said he has.

 

[Haly]

My suspicion right now is that we may have a second commuter. Perhaps one who is out of town on odd nights instead of even nights.

This seems to be the case, except my question becomes: Does an HHA eviction vote trigger Kalor's abilities? Is it considered an action by all involved or are "hits" assigned to one or another player?

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

This seems to be the case, except my question becomes: Does an HHA eviction vote trigger Kalor's abilities? Is it considered an action by all involved or are "hits" assigned to one or another player?

Last time one person sent in the kill order, I'd imagine it's the same this time

Fuller post coming later, just about to leave work

 

[SalvaPot]

Interesting developments. Like Haly said, unless Time/Fran/Raz are all HHA, think it's ok assuming they are town. With Fran seeming to be town and Ultron saying he is town, that means two towns in apartments or Ultron is HHA. I guess it doesn't matter now, since to kill Fran the have to kill their own, or if they have been getting protected at night, they will continue to get protected. It seems we believe Foshy is town gossip as well. If we beleive there is at least one HHA by each gossip, then Nin1000 falls within that theory. As a reminder, here is the voting for HippieHobo
===========
Votes for HippieHobo
RNH, Darryle, Freak, Ultron, Kalor, Hobo, Salva
Votes for HippieHoob that changed - OB/Nin

I'd like to point out that none of the 3 confirmed townies, voted for him. So that increases the chances that a few HHA are among them I think. *Kalor seems townie with his role claim, but not confirmed*

Nin/Hodo/OB voted within 10min of eachother for hippie

Freak/Darryl voted Hippie close to each other
==================

About 21GunShow - I hope this guy didn't have power role for town. I'm assuming he was just a reg townie due to him abandoning?

@FreakzillaA̶n̶y̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶v̶o̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶S̶a̶l̶v̶a̶p̶o̶t̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶r̶a̶n̶d̶o̶m̶l̶y̶ ̶v̶o̶t̶i̶n̶g̶?̶ ̶A̶n̶y̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶a̶d̶d̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶f̶o̶r̶m̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶c̶l̶o̶s̶e̶d̶?̶
NVM, answered while I was preparing this post.

Also, Salvapot/Kingkitty, do you have anything to say about my post earlier in teh thread?

Kingkitty - KingKitty votes for Freakzilla just to do something different. Could be a situation where mafia votes for another mafia to throw suspension once majority already votes for townie. On the day Hippie was evicted, said he had no problem bandwagon voting Freak, but defended him on day one from getting evicted.

Salvapot - Only voted for hippie because he didnt want to risk a tie, which also removed his vote from nin. What made Hippie stick out more than nin? Hippie at the time admitted he was a power role. Could be a situation where Salva and Nin are both Mafia, and Nin didn't want to be the final vote for a townie, so had Salva switch his vote.

Confirmed Town
Timeasis
Franconp
Razmos
Foshy - Counting him since Raz confirmed the 4 rule thing that was posted in his private about the role? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I voted for Freak first because of his low amount of posts, you can see our full interaction on page 10: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1044457&page=10

 

[Haly]

It doesn't confirm that anyone is town really, it was just a way of confirming that Foshy has the ability he said he has.

I would say it's a reasonable estimate considering that we've been almost completely in the dark for the first 2 days.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

@Raz, true, so can leave him off. This is the correct list right?
Timeasis
Franconp
Razmos

Forgot to mention Haly voted for Hippie and changed.

With Fran, do we vote on someone for him to investigate, or let him just do his thing randomly? I'm down for randomly. Since I think looking closely at the Hippie votes have been doing ok for us.

I'm willing to change my vote to Nin1000

Vote: Nin1000

Votes so far - Think this is correct

NIN100 - 4
LaunchpadMcQ
Kalor
SalvaPot
EzekelRAGE

FREAKZILLA149 - 1
R̶o̶b̶o̶t̶N̶i̶n̶j̶a̶H̶o̶r̶n̶e̶t̶

21GunShow - 1
RobotNinjaHornets

FRANCONP/ULTRON - 1
E̶z̶e̶k̶e̶l̶R̶A̶G̶E̶ ̶
Haly

FOSHY - 1
Razmos

Salvapot - 1
Freakzilla

 

[Haly]

Oh yes, time to change.

Vote: nin1000

 

[Darryl]

If the HHA chat works anything like these group chats then I doubt they are able to communicate during the day. In that case I dunno why so many people push vote timing as a suspicious issue. Seems like a way to create false leads.

The method the group chats take place in is highly inconvenient for rapid back and forthing.

 

[franconp]

Lunch post, so gotta be quick, more to come this evening.



Still too early to confirm, more on that later.

Couple of questions:

franconp-
1. Why did you investigate Razmos on night 1?
2. Why did you abstain from casting a vote on day 2?

Razmos-
1. You invited Timeaisis day 1, darryl day 2, have you invited Hobohodo yet? If so would you mind stating when in this day phase you invited him?

1. Because I wanted to know how the role worked, so the best way would be to target someone who had roleclaimed and see what info would I get. The first day the only ones who roleclaimed where Ultron, Razmos, you and me.

I decided to not investigate Ultron as I can't do anything with the info. If he was lying with is roleclaim it would mean nothing to me as if I push for is eviction I would be out too and my role is more important the longer I stay in game.

So the only 2 options left would be you or Razmos and I finally investigated Razmos by luck. I flipped a coin and he was chosen

2. Mostly because I didn't have a clue for who to vote. I didn't have any info.

 

[SalvaPot]

If the HHA chat works anything like these group chats then I doubt they are able to communicate during the day. In that case I dunno why so many people push vote timing as a suspicious issue. Seems like a way to create false leads.

The method the group chats take place in is highly inconvenient for rapid back and forthing.

Vote timing can be telling if its done by a user that rarely votes, but I agree, it is not as vital in a forum game.

 

[franconp]

With Fran, do we vote on someone for him to investigate, or let him just do his thing randomly? I'm down for randomly. Since I think looking closely at the Hippie votes have been doing ok for us.

I

I would prefer to do it randomly as if I find an important role in the investigation (as a doctor) would be forced to share the info.

 

[Darryl]

Vote: 21GunShow

and I vote to have Franconp investigate Mazre and reveal his role if he deems it necessary.

 

[nin1000]

Damn you all! I don't know how I can convince you that I am town aligned but like I said in earlier posts, as soon as I will get evicted you will see that I was all along town alligned. I still can't Really comprehend how I am now the prime suspect of being mama.

Still on mobile, expect me to post later on.

 

[Darryl]

Damn you all! I don't know how I can convince you that I am town aligned but like I said in earlier posts, as soon as I will get evicted you will see that I was all along town alligned. I still can't Really comprehend how I am now the prime suspect of being mama.

Still on mobile, expect me to post later on.

1. Gossip-HHA theory, a player surrounding Foshy (including Foshy) is HHA. Tucah is dead and town, so the odds of hitting a target are higher on your end.
2. You were inactive at first, until called out.
3. Irrational defense of Freakzilla, another player who has been in the hot seat.

Those are three reasons that I have personally.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I would prefer to do it randomly as if I find an important role in the investigation (as a doctor) would be forced to share the info.

Could just post town or not. If you just get a role descript , you can just use your judgement to say town. I'm cool with random though.

Damn you all! I don't know how I can convince you that I am town aligned but like I said in earlier posts, as soon as I will get evicted you will see that I was all along town alligned. I still can't Really comprehend how I am now the prime suspect of being mama.

Still on mobile, expect me to post later on.

Mine are same reasons as Darryl listed and you were a vote for Hippie at some point as well.

 

[franconp]

and I vote to have Franconp investigate Mazre and reveal his role if he deems it necessary.

That's the problem. Let's say we vote and we agree by mayority that I investigate Mazre. If I find that his role is something important and don't share the info here it would reveal he is role IS important. It would be the same if I post the info or not and I would put an important role in trouble.

 

[Darryl]

That's the problem. Let's say we vote and we agree by mayority that I investigate Mazre. If I find that his role is something important and don't share the info here it would reveal he is role IS important. It would be the same if I post the info or not and I would put an important role in trouble.

I didn't think that one through then. I suppose taking it random is the best way, then.

 

[SalvaPot]

That's the problem. Let's say we vote and we agree by mayority that I investigate Mazre. If I find that his role is something important and don't share the info here it would reveal he is role IS important. It would be the same if I post the info or not and I would put an important role in trouble.

I think you should inspect one of the quieter villagers, since for the vocal we can later on deduce who is good or bad by their posts and contradictions. We need more information and to force those who have yet to do something to act.

 

[franconp]

Could just post town or not. If you just get a role descript , you can just use your judgement to say town. I'm cool with random though.

I don't always know if they are town or not. I can get that info with the regular townfolk but I can't be sure with no one else.

Let's take Tucah for example, if I had investigated him the only info I would have was he being a commuter but with that I can't say if he was town or not. The same with Hippiehobo.

 

[nin1000]

2. You were inactive at first, until called out

Several players were, that does not really make me MMA. I refuse to go down without a fight.

 

[nin1000]

Me. Thinking that haly was right on hobo aswell as my vote for him means will mean my eviction. I mean here we are the game progressed and we gathered more information about other players, who on my book are far more suspicious. We have the roomies, the foshy situation and several inactive players who still did not put down their 2 cents.

Me roleclaiming now and saying that I am indeed just an ordinary villager won't change the fact that I will get evicted. Since everyone else claimed that role upto this point.

Note to myself for the next game.
Keep your mouth shut and don't defend other players.

Like I said I have almost given up since I can't really change the mind of those who voted on me but please consider that I just made the wrong decisions.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

So franconp has an investigative role. This is one of those things that I kind of wish had stayed a bit more secret until later on, but with the situation he's in it can't really be helped. On the plus side, unless this is some crazy ruse by the HHA (which would, to be blunt, be a pretty idiotic plan at this point as they'd have to stick with it for the entire game), we can be pretty sure Time and probably Razmos are on our side. There's still the chance franconp is HHA, but I'd imagine he wouldn't want to be so...free with the information if he was.

The situation with Kalor is interesting, given the info we have it seems Kingkitty was the night 1 action. I've had a thought about this, which I'm hoping no-one else brings up as it's best if it's a secret. I'll come back to this a day phase or two later, when someone brings in new info that disproves or confirms my thought.

If the HHA chat works anything like these group chats then I doubt they are able to communicate during the day. In that case I dunno why so many people push vote timing as a suspicious issue. Seems like a way to create false leads.

The method the group chats take place in is highly inconvenient for rapid back and forthing.

Again, last time around we had a forum and we could talk at will. I'm working with the assumption that it's the same this time around. With how long the days are, it would give us a pretty big advantage over the HHA if they had to half communicate with the other people in their group in here without trying to be noticed.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Also, I'm not massively down with the nin situation. No HHA guy would protect one of their own that obviously. Thing is, it won't even give us a hint as to freakzilla's innocence or guilt either - nin is villager, freakzilla is...we don't know. Nin is HHA, freakzilla might be HHA, or nin was just trying to build up some trust with a villager, and add an easy "No look I defended him!" clause if he got evicted. Both seem viable to me.

Also also I'd be really happy if 21GunShow would post something, jeez.

 

[Haly]

Let's just take out nin1000, freak, and 21gunshow.

 

[nin1000]

Add haly to that list

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Let's just take out nin1000, freak, and 21gunshow.

If we're going to do that, at least do it in reverse order. 21GunShow doesn't want to post at all apparently, which isn't going to help anyone, Freak has posted a bit but it's primarily been defending himself and has basically said that discussion's pointless until the end of the day phase (though clearly that's not true, and is not a very pro-village move). At least nin seems to be joining in a bit more.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I believe whoever we detain today should be someone from the list that voted for HippieHobo, unless by some turn of events, not HHA voted for him.

Votes for HippieHobo
RNH, Darryle, Freak, Ultron, Kalor, Hobo, Salva
Votes for HippieHoob that changed - OB/Nin

@Haly, you mean take nin/freak/21Gun out from the evict today list? If so I dont understand what reasoning there is for it, except for 21. He may get booted or something so no need to waste vote. Nin/Freak can still be in play.

 

[Haly]

No I mean go down the list and evict each and every one of them!

 

[EzekelRAGE]

And what I meant by my post above is that the ppl who voted for HH are good candidates unless no HHA voted for HH.

Also, someone suggested a theory about a HHA being by a gossip, so that could lead to Nin/Ouro/Darryl/Hobo as suspects for the test.

@Haly, I'm cool with that as well. Willing to vote Freak instead of Nin1000, since RNH does make since about Nin situation in regards to Freak being HHA or not.

 

[tomakasatnav]

Ciao from Italy! Another bit of jet setting today so I'll catch up with the last couple of hours now. How close is 21 to being prodded/replaced?

Have we heard from everyone in kalor's 'area'?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Uhmm, idk. Think a prod is close or shouldve happened already?

 

[Ourobolus]

Uhmm, idk. Think a prod is close or shouldve happened already?

Looking at his posts, he hasn't posted in this thread for 8 days, and hasn't posted on GAF in 3 days.

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Looking at his posts, he hasn't posted in this thread for 8 days, and hasn't posted on GAF in 3 days.

He was online 2 hours ago though. Karkador, has there been any communication?

 

[Karkador]

Yep, you're right, I'm gonna have to replace

 

[RobotNinjaHornets]

Man, what is with the gun brothers?

In that case:

UNVOTE: 21GunShow/new guy

Give them a chance to settle in. Still got 2 days at least.

 

[Mazre]

So, barring a Timeaisis/Raz/Francorp HHA, I think we've confirmed our first townies?

Timeasis
Franconp
Razmos

Now I may just be a simple hyperchicken but to me it seems this may warrant further discussion.

I would like to approach this by discussing a few scenarios, with a focus on franconp

Scenario 1 -
Assumption - franconp is town and is telling the truth
Implication - Timeaisis is confirmed a regular villager as well, Razmos role is confirmed (don't think there was much doubt at this point) though his alignment is still unknown

Scenario 2-
Assumption - franconp is HHA and is telling the truth about his role/use therof
Implication - Timeaisis is confirmed regular villager, Razmos role is confirmed and very likely town (little reason for HHA to investigate themselves, unless they're extremely paranoid they need to throw off watchful eyes)

Scenario 3-
Assumption - franconp is HHA and has lied about either his role or who he has investigated
Implication - franconp has an accomplice in Razmos's chat

More to come.

 

[Haly]

It's definitely an ability we'll want to keep around even if francorp is playing a complex bluffing game.

Going from 3, it would have to be either Time or Darryl, who learned about Time from Razmos.

 

[Timeaisis]

Now I may just be a simple hyperchicken but to me it seems this may warrant further discussion.

I would like to approach this by discussing a few scenarios, with a focus on franconp

Scenario 1 -
Assumption - franconp is town and is telling the truth
Implication - Timeaisis is confirmed a regular villager as well, Razmos role is confirmed (don't think there was much doubt at this point) though his alignment is still unknown

Scenario 2-
Assumption - franconp is HHA and is telling the truth about his role/use therof
Implication - Timeaisis is confirmed regular villager, Razmos role is confirmed and very likely town (little reason for HHA to investigate themselves, unless they're extremely paranoid they need to throw off watchful eyes)

Scenario 3-
Assumption - franconp is HHA and has lied about either his role or who he has investigated
Implication - franconp has an accomplice in Razmos's chat

More to come.

I was about to post this, actually. franconp could be getting his info from Darryl in our chat. I revealed I was town to both Razmos and Darryl.

Not trying to throw anyone under the bus here, but it's worth mentioning. It does seem a little convenient that franconp investigated two known quantities. Doesn't necessarily mean anything. But interesting.

 

[Haly]

Yes. I caught on to that too. And even more interesting to hear that he's reluctant to broadcast his investigations for fear of revealing a protective role.

A very real concern, no doubt, but also something a fake role claimer would say to justify their vagueness.

 

[Mazre]

Comments on previous scenarios:

Scenario 1 - Simple and uncomplicated, highest probability with best upside for town (minus the fact franconp felt the need to role claim)

Scenario 2 - Requires only 1 HHA, allows franconp to defend himself while establishing a great amount of credibility and trust, can be manipulated late game to seal a victory, throw us off potential HHA

Scenario 3 - requires 2 HHA working together in the open, risky for HHA but potentially large payoff. Allows them to potentially pass off two mafia as town, availability of information provided in daytime and Razmos's chat enables franconp to role claim while saving investigation for other townies. Tucah's elimination seemed like a coincidence but perhaps it wasn't.

 

[Mazre]

1. Because I wanted to know how the role worked, so the best way would be to target someone who had roleclaimed and see what info would I get. The first day the only ones who roleclaimed where Ultron, Razmos, you and me.

I decided to not investigate Ultron as I can't do anything with the info. If he was lying with is roleclaim it would mean nothing to me as if I push for is eviction I would be out too and my role is more important the longer I stay in game.

So the only 2 options left would be you or Razmos and I finally investigated Razmos by luck. I flipped a coin and he was chosen

2. Mostly because I didn't have a clue for who to vote. I didn't have any info.

1. Well reasoned. I did not correctly recall Razmos initial role claim came on day 1.

2. This is a bit concerning, though far from conclusive of anything. Really not a fan of people intentionally sitting out votes.

 

[SalvaPot]

Occam's Razor.

I really feel freakzilla is HHA, he really did a very poor job of explaining himself in page 10, and if I am honest I think he is a stronger suspect than nin, who has also acted suspiciously.

I really REALLY want us to get a HHA as soon as possible, the fact that we still don´t know if they have a range for evicting or not is kind of annoying.

 

[Mazre]

So why post all that? Mostly caution and so that everyone is still on there toes, it's simply too early to declare anyone confirmed town.

My gut is sounding claxons about franconp but his potential upside to town is too high and any argument against him at this point is both circumstantial and more complicated than him being genuine.

I propose:

franconp investigate me on night 3

Razmos if still possible do NOT invite hobohodo today, wait till day phase 4

We still need to evict someone, more thoughts on this in a bit.

 

[franconp]

Yes. I caught on to that too. And even more interesting to hear that he's reluctant to broadcast his investigations for fear of revealing a protective role.

A very real concern, no doubt, but also something a fake role claimer would say to justify their vagueness.

I don't have a problem broadcasting my investigations as I don't always get the full picture: using Hippiehobo as an example, if I had investigated him the only info that would have been obtained that he was the Mayor, nothing else, and that doesn't much info to work with. I don't know if that is good or not or if he was town or HHA.

If I find a role that says Town Doctor (if it even exist) I don't think it would be a good idea to say it here. But if that's not the case I will post all my investigations here so there are any doubts.

 

[franconp]

So why post all that? Mostly caution and so that everyone is still on there toes, it's simply too early to declare anyone confirmed town.

My gut is sounding claxons about franconp but his potential upside to town is too high and any argument against him at this point is both circumstantial and more complicated than him being genuine.

I propose:

franconp investigate me on night 3

Razmos if still possible do NOT invite hobohodo today, wait till day phase 4

We still need to evict someone, more thoughts on this in a bit.

I don't think it's a good idea to set a target for investigation as there is the possibility that the HHA targets you tonight so I posting the information the next day will mean nothing. In fact it would put in a worse position.

What we can do it's for the mayority to decide between 3 targets for the night phase and I randomly target 1 of them. That increase the chances of not been played by HHA.

I will the decision up to the mayority. If you want that I investigate Mazre I don't have a problem but there are risks.