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Matriarchal based society condones slavery so its ok!
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hecatomb
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Something kind of happens in Iria, instead she's pissed off, and thinks about killing the president of the company for the cover up.
Gon is also based on kid goku
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Labolas
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Boy SJWs complaining about Goblin Slayer and Rising of the Shield Hero like they're Violence Jack or something. If you want to experience something repulsive than watch that.
Also GS and Rising of the Shield Hero are pretty decent shows I find.
And oh yeah, watch OG Bubblegum Crisis. It's awesome especially in the later episodes I find.
Also GS and Rising of the Shield Hero are pretty decent shows I find.
And oh yeah, watch OG Bubblegum Crisis. It's awesome especially in the later episodes I find.
5secondrulesucks
Banned
i invented anime
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Helios
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I feel the same way, but I also grew up with YYH so I'm probably extremely biased.
Red Crayon Aristocrat
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I haven't seen Goblin Slayer yet but what was the controversy over? Just that it was violent? This is where we're at now? Whatever happened to the days Ninja Scroll, Genocyber, Bio Hunter and other gory anime?
SJWs are just the worst lol, they hate everything cool and good.
Helios
Member
Maybe they should've placed a Gillette ad before the rape scene telling people not be a Goblin.
Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
Oh, someone gets raped?
So you're telling me that people think media should just... pretend rape doesn't exist? Never under any circumstance depict rape? Why is violence and murder ok to be depicted but not rape? Are they saying rape is a fate worse than death? (I'd much rather be raped than killed)
I can't even begin to fathom what's going on in people's heads these days.
Labolas
Member
They also said that the rape in GS is fetishized, which is stupid because the rape wasn't explicitly shown like it was in the manga. It's a weird double standard when it comes to violence and murder vs. anything sexual.
Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
And well, if you can't handle a little rape, anime may not be for you, Urotsukidōji anyone?
Or at least, if SJWs are expecting anime to be exactly like western media, they're in for a surprise.
bigedole
Member
I'm pretty eager to watch this but I'm waiting for the season to end so I don't have to watch week to week...
petran79
Banned
Zettai Karen Children was supposed to have finished last summer but it still keeps on at 50+ volumes. Stopped at volume 44, will only read it when it is finished.
It is different than Mikami. Main characters grow and develop from elementary school to high school. Much more is going on, even involving time travelling. Manga has sometimes issues keeping everything together with so many characters. After a while I felt lost. 3 main characters fortunately make up for it. I'd say manga follows a modern narrative, while Mikami follows the more traditional shonen narrative.
Doom85
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I'd rather not get into why I think the rape scene in Goblin Slayer was poorly handled as it would require a lot of explaining that I'm sure the fans would just dismiss anyway (and no, it has nothing to do with there being a rape scene period, stuff like The Sopranos or The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo did not bother me in how they utilized a rape scene in their narrative), and yeah the false rape accusation element in Shield Hero doesn't bother me as much as the whole slavery angle and I don't want to watch an anime where the "hero or even an anti-hero" tries to justify in any way buying a slave, and the fact that it came off as rather heavy-handed the way EVERYONE was against him even before the accusation, I preferred how Re:Zero handled it where it was the MC's attitude that would often land him in trouble not just convenient circumstances that threw people against him.
HOWEVER, I'm not judging anyone who likes either show, it doesn't make a fan sexist or pro-slavery or anything, I mean the show isn't literally saying, "oh man, isn't this rape scene hot!" or "see, slavery can be helpful to people!"
Now some of the anti-SJW are just fine with a stance like me, BUT there have definitely been some who have been mocking those who don't want to watch the series because of these elements AND THAT IS NOT COOL PERIOD. Some people just don't want to watch shows for these reasons and mocking anyone for that makes said mocker immature and childish. It's no better behavior than some "elite fan" mocking another fan for only watching X number of series per season, these are just shows at the end of the day and if some people want to pass on them we need to be cool about that.
HOWEVER, I'm not judging anyone who likes either show, it doesn't make a fan sexist or pro-slavery or anything, I mean the show isn't literally saying, "oh man, isn't this rape scene hot!" or "see, slavery can be helpful to people!"
Now some of the anti-SJW are just fine with a stance like me, BUT there have definitely been some who have been mocking those who don't want to watch the series because of these elements AND THAT IS NOT COOL PERIOD. Some people just don't want to watch shows for these reasons and mocking anyone for that makes said mocker immature and childish. It's no better behavior than some "elite fan" mocking another fan for only watching X number of series per season, these are just shows at the end of the day and if some people want to pass on them we need to be cool about that.
Trojita
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Wanting only robotic sociopath MC's lol.
If you want to dip your toes in, Episode 14 ends like a season ending. You could stop there and then continue on when the rest of the show is released.
Fbh
Member
Been reading golden Kamuy.
Never heard of it until the anime came out but it's pretty damn good. Love how it mixes dark and bizarre themes and even some pretty gory action scenes yet it can often retain a humorous and lighthearted tone.
Also anyone that complains about anime/manga sexualizing females..... this kinda does that to the males but often in quite hilarious ways
HxH is pretty good. I really like the characters and how it stays away from some of the more annoying shonen tropes and I really like Nen abilities because of their variety and creative uses that come with the whole "high risk high reward" system they go for
But yeah, it's not as good as most people would make you think it is IMO. The pacing is really slow and IMO it seems like Togashi would rather make novels instead of manga, his art isn't very good and a lot of his chapters (particularly in recent years) are filled with walls of text. Manga just doesn't seem like the right format for the story he wants to tell
Never heard of it until the anime came out but it's pretty damn good. Love how it mixes dark and bizarre themes and even some pretty gory action scenes yet it can often retain a humorous and lighthearted tone.
Also anyone that complains about anime/manga sexualizing females..... this kinda does that to the males but often in quite hilarious ways
HxH is pretty good. I really like the characters and how it stays away from some of the more annoying shonen tropes and I really like Nen abilities because of their variety and creative uses that come with the whole "high risk high reward" system they go for
But yeah, it's not as good as most people would make you think it is IMO. The pacing is really slow and IMO it seems like Togashi would rather make novels instead of manga, his art isn't very good and a lot of his chapters (particularly in recent years) are filled with walls of text. Manga just doesn't seem like the right format for the story he wants to tell
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Shouta
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Death March would be a way better example of a series where the author has a slave fetish. There's also a bunch of manga with way more egregious examples of it too though.
Shield Hero has it for story reasons. It's pretty clear that Naofumi doesn't actually like it but has to engage in it to to be able to fulfill his duty and survive. A lot of smaller actions early in addition to his attitude towards Raphtalia point to it but later on he verbalizes pretty clearly as well.
I understand it not jiving with folks in a general sense but Shield Hero is one of the few that actually kind of uses it in a way that works in plot and for its themes. I've seen a lot of discussion in the latter area than in the former and the redulting arguments are just messy, usually. This isn't directed at you, just to be clear. =)
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bigedole
Member
That's a good idea, maybe I will
Catching up with 2nd season of March comes roaring in like a lion first.
hecatomb
Banned
I didn't really care about the characters, thats pretty much why I didn't like goblin slayer. They are all bland and just boring. Maybe the manga is better, though I rather just watch Slime, Jojos, and a Mob season 2.
Doom85
Member
I need to check out more of YYH and HxH, I think I saw about the first 20 episodes of the former and the first 30 episodes of the latter (the 90's version that is). But from what I saw I do think I preferred HxH, YYH was really good so far but it didn't look like a series where you'd be too shocked about where it went. HxH on the other hand was really different, not what I was expecting at all but I really liked it.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Regarding the rape scene in Goblin Slayer, it was meant to establish that goblins are irredeemable monsters. Not to mention, in most fantasies, goblins are depicted as weak creatures. GS answers the question of "What happens if the goblins actually have their way?"
In Shield Hero, I don't think slavery is shown in a positive light at all. His closest friend, the shopkeeper, warned him that it wasn't going to end well in which he acknowledges. Naofumi, himself, isn't exactly proud of having to resort to buying a slave. He didn't take glee or enjoyed seeing Raphtalia's slave seal activate.
In Shield Hero, I don't think slavery is shown in a positive light at all. His closest friend, the shopkeeper, warned him that it wasn't going to end well in which he acknowledges. Naofumi, himself, isn't exactly proud of having to resort to buying a slave. He didn't take glee or enjoyed seeing Raphtalia's slave seal activate.
hecatomb
Banned
yu yu hakusho final season was pretty bland, and not as good as the rest. You can tell Yoshihiro Togashi was getting bored, or maybe he just wanted to finish Dragon quest 6. Happened again with hunter x hunter and his addiction with dragon quest games. And had a mental break down almost working on hunter x hunter, cause he was over working.
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John Blade
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Stick with it. It's actually good anime for it's time and still recommend it. If you watching the Blu-Ray version with the new dub, it actually good over the old dub but I still love the old dub still as that is how I watch it. If you're lucky, got try to watch the FOX version. It's so bad.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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I'm not a fan of the art shift and its very light hearted even when things are suppose to be dark. But I'm still enjoying the anime adaptation either way.
petran79
Banned
I am watching the BD of Outlaw Star, English dub. Had watched it years ago but hardly remember much. Bought many dvds and bd during holidays and will not bother with new series till summer. 2 years are a reasonable timeframe for a Western BD release but too ancient for streaming and fansub discussions.
Sakura
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Just to be clear, I don't have any problem with the initial purchase of Raphtalia or anything. It is the later stuff that I have a problem with.
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the slave curse or whatever you call it is removed, and it's basically like, "Hey, I want to be Naofumi's slave!" So they make her a slave again. She's been with Naofumi for like, a fucking month at best at this point, compared to all the shit she has gone through, but nah it's cool because she loves him. And Naofumi himself later will say he thinks of her as a daughter to him (which in and of itself is nonsense) yet keeps her as his slave.
And then much later on new people join the party, and Naofumi tells them to become slaves too, but it's ok because ultimately they make the decision! It just does not feel necessary at all. The whole reason given is that slaves in his party gain extra XP or something, but that is just because the author wrote it that way, when instead it could simply be that members of the hero's party gain extra XP. This is why I say it almost feels like he has a slave fetish.
And then much later on new people join the party, and Naofumi tells them to become slaves too, but it's ok because ultimately they make the decision! It just does not feel necessary at all. The whole reason given is that slaves in his party gain extra XP or something, but that is just because the author wrote it that way, when instead it could simply be that members of the hero's party gain extra XP. This is why I say it almost feels like he has a slave fetish.
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Shouta
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I figured you were talking about later as well.
I don't think the inclusion of those really point to any sort of fetish by the author.
The Raphtalia instance makes sense in the context of where the story is at that point. Naofumi is still deep into his trauma from the beginning of the story and has a hard time believing anything. She takes on the crest again as a way to prove her intent to him. It also shows just how much she trusts him as well. It is the starting point of his rehabilitation, IMO. Sure, the author could not include it here but then it kind of starts to undermine Naofumi's arc since he still has trouble teaching people without an assurance after that point.
As for the Keel and Rishia thing, well.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It explains the speed at which they leveled up so fast and uses a preexisting reason. Introducing something like a Hero leader XP bonus would create a plot issue with Ren, Itsuki, and Motoyasu especially since we know that the person that defeats the monster gets more XP That'd then become an issue with fact that everything is affected by stats and levels which is what we learned right around when those two are introduced. Actual skill still plays a part of it but stats and levels are huge. Admittedly, this could be changed around with a lot of rewriting. It's also not character important either so it doesn't impact the content but saying it points to a slave fetish feels like stretching it. If anything, I'd say it's the author being a bit lazy and just using something that was convenient and meshed with what they had established already
As for the Keel and Rishia thing, well.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It explains the speed at which they leveled up so fast and uses a preexisting reason. Introducing something like a Hero leader XP bonus would create a plot issue with Ren, Itsuki, and Motoyasu especially since we know that the person that defeats the monster gets more XP That'd then become an issue with fact that everything is affected by stats and levels which is what we learned right around when those two are introduced. Actual skill still plays a part of it but stats and levels are huge. Admittedly, this could be changed around with a lot of rewriting. It's also not character important either so it doesn't impact the content but saying it points to a slave fetish feels like stretching it. If anything, I'd say it's the author being a bit lazy and just using something that was convenient and meshed with what they had established already
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SLoWMoTIoN
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One of the worst mangas to ever exist gets an anime adaptation
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Edgy brain dead characters where everybody screams all the time. Giant bugs kill these kids stranded on some random island cause fuck it.
MC is a walking insect encyclopedia and even then other characters try to rape her or kill her constantly. Cage of Eden but with bug rape. They even went back and changed the artstyle for whatever reason. Thankfully its an OVA only.
MC is a walking insect encyclopedia and even then other characters try to rape her or kill her constantly. Cage of Eden but with bug rape. They even went back and changed the artstyle for whatever reason. Thankfully its an OVA only.
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
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I re-watched Outlaw Star (in SD) back in 2012.
It has some standout episodes (in particular the prison break one) and an interesting take on the sci fi space faring setting, but also a lot of episodes that don't stick out and I don't remember too much about.
It's good but it it's no Cowboy Bebop, not even close.
Sakura
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I'm pretty sure that Raphtalia and the bird girl are around the same level as Naofumi (I believe on the island they were like 75 and he was about 73), and they are also the ones likely defeating the monsters getting more XP, which would explain why they are a couple levels above Naofumi. If there was truly a huge XP boost for slaves I feel like Naofumi's party members should be significantly higher level than him. It is also never expressed that his party members are higher level than those of the other hero's (at least as far as I can remember) and when they ask for the secret as to why they are so strong it is not suggested that some XP bonus or anything is at play, and that it is just a difference in skill level/etc(which they probably wouldn't believe, so he doesn't tell them). All this is why I feel like the "faster XP gain rate" is just a bogus reason so they can make them into slaves.
Personally I also feel like it would've been more impactful to have Raphtalia lose the slave curse thing, and Naofumi realise that he can trust her without it. He doesn't have to trust other people at that point, but her behaviour when freed should show enough that he can trust her. I also feel like Naofumi's trauma is overblown, but that is a different discussion.
Ultimately the slave thing isn't important. It doesn't really affect the characters, and outside the beginning you forget the characters are even slaves. For Keel and Rishia their slave crest is hidden so you can't even see it. Which to me begs the question of why even have the whole slave thing to begin with? Either the author has a thing for that sort of "setting" or characters with that sort of uh... 肩書? (not sure what you'd call it) or he wants to remind us that the protagonist is "bad" (because of what happened to him), but can't really make him out to be a bad guy.
Personally I also feel like it would've been more impactful to have Raphtalia lose the slave curse thing, and Naofumi realise that he can trust her without it. He doesn't have to trust other people at that point, but her behaviour when freed should show enough that he can trust her. I also feel like Naofumi's trauma is overblown, but that is a different discussion.
Ultimately the slave thing isn't important. It doesn't really affect the characters, and outside the beginning you forget the characters are even slaves. For Keel and Rishia their slave crest is hidden so you can't even see it. Which to me begs the question of why even have the whole slave thing to begin with? Either the author has a thing for that sort of "setting" or characters with that sort of uh... 肩書? (not sure what you'd call it) or he wants to remind us that the protagonist is "bad" (because of what happened to him), but can't really make him out to be a bad guy.
Mista
Banned
Ha. Waiting for that moment too
petran79
Banned
English dub voices are fortunately very good. It is also one of the few series that did start as a manga first, yet it was cancelled after 3 volumes and continued in anime format.
It does lack the characters of Bebop but enjoying the series depends also if you can tolerate the antiques of that beast girl. That is a character that can make someone drop a series alltogether and changee the tone of the series, unlike Bebop
Now with the new Boogiepop Phantom after almost 20 years, there is also a surge of interest for the older series. Considering how anime has changed over the years, this in an even more daunting task today than back then. I expect many drops for the original.
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hecatomb
Banned
I don't read , I just wait till the anime comes outYou got around to reading the manga then?
OP loli
hecatomb
Banned
I don't mind old anime sometimes, though I've already seen it. Theres a lot of new anime out that I haven't seen or isn't finished yet. I mean you can spend all your time watching nothing but old stuff, but you will miss out on the newer animes.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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nsfw
mandatory anime original bath scene?
Shouta
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There's some solid numbers on that actually. Later into the series Shield Hero spoilers, of course
While they're on Calmira, they mention that Naofumi is 63, Raphtalia, is 65, and Filo is 67. Raphtalia and Filo are higher because of last hit mechanics since that was shown earlier in the series which is about what you'd expected for a difference in level. While we don't have Ren, Itsuki, or Motoyasu's levels, we do have L'arc and Therese's levels which are 56 and 52. The other heroes would have to be near or below that considering what happens. My previous comment about a hero xp boost instead of what we got would change these levels overall to something closer to where Naofumi is now. Then you consider the tendency of the lameduck heroes to want to take all the kills themselves and soak up the XP there levels would be even higher. That would have an effect on how certain things occur since we know that both level and skill matters in this world per the Eclair sequence after Calmira.
The others think Naofumi's cheating but what's suggested is that the source of Naofumi's strength is actually taking this seriously and trying to learn what's going on and how the world is setup. Remember, Naofumi even went as far as to investigate the other's claims of power-up systems existing and found out that was the case. He's actually taking advantage of everything he can.
But like I said, the author could have used something else but I think they'd have to have changed other things to accommodate it.
As for the Raphtalia thing, I think it would have been way too soon for that sort of progress and as I said, part of it is Raphtalia's own resolve and showing Naofumi how serious she is. I will say that the novel might be a better choice for people that need more of Naofumi's internal dialogue to see how much he's suffering. I think the manga does a fine job of it but I'm more of a visually orientated person than anything. The WN also adds an interesting point when Raphtalia is getting the mark again. In all versions, Naofumi says "You don't have to do this, you know" but her response in the novel to him is "I'm getting this because I don't think you trust people without this mark, you shouldn't lie." A bit interesting that she doesn't believe he's changed yet.
While it isn't important to the characters' relationships directly most of the time, It's important to the setting and some of the things that occur. Naofumi helps Raphtalia take revenge on the slave owner that hurt her and her friends, it's part of the problems found in Melromarc which had story ramifications, it's a result of the prejudice and xenophobia in the setting, etc. So there's a pretty good reason to have it overall.
It's meant to show Naofumi is a morally grey character who did something bad out of necessity and I can see it being a pretty consistent reminder of that.
The others think Naofumi's cheating but what's suggested is that the source of Naofumi's strength is actually taking this seriously and trying to learn what's going on and how the world is setup. Remember, Naofumi even went as far as to investigate the other's claims of power-up systems existing and found out that was the case. He's actually taking advantage of everything he can.
But like I said, the author could have used something else but I think they'd have to have changed other things to accommodate it.
As for the Raphtalia thing, I think it would have been way too soon for that sort of progress and as I said, part of it is Raphtalia's own resolve and showing Naofumi how serious she is. I will say that the novel might be a better choice for people that need more of Naofumi's internal dialogue to see how much he's suffering. I think the manga does a fine job of it but I'm more of a visually orientated person than anything. The WN also adds an interesting point when Raphtalia is getting the mark again. In all versions, Naofumi says "You don't have to do this, you know" but her response in the novel to him is "I'm getting this because I don't think you trust people without this mark, you shouldn't lie." A bit interesting that she doesn't believe he's changed yet.
While it isn't important to the characters' relationships directly most of the time, It's important to the setting and some of the things that occur. Naofumi helps Raphtalia take revenge on the slave owner that hurt her and her friends, it's part of the problems found in Melromarc which had story ramifications, it's a result of the prejudice and xenophobia in the setting, etc. So there's a pretty good reason to have it overall.
It's meant to show Naofumi is a morally grey character who did something bad out of necessity and I can see it being a pretty consistent reminder of that.
ROMhack
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Will do! I'm watching the sub but I appreciate the advice.
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yeahokaywhatever
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sauce?You got around to reading the manga then?
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squigglefizzle
Banned
Nobody watching Alicization? It's probably the best season yet. And I don't think Sword Hero was trying to glorify slavery, it was more along the lines of he had absolutely everybody else in that world against him (couldn't trust anybody) and the slaves couldn't steal from/lie to their masters (or whatever.)
petran79
Banned
I really like digging old quality stuff but do not mind new original series with unique animation. In fact the best series I watched was not even fansubbed or dubbed in English, despite taking place in America (Raccoon Rascal). I just do not rush having to watch everything. 2-3 series a year suffice. Prefer rewatching a series I liked to reevaluate things I missed or forgotten.
Eg have the BD of Flip Flappers for later rewatch.