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Foxy Fox 39 said:
No I don't. I don't think the fight had to be channeled through banks at all. I actually like Iggy more than I do banks. I know banks is a terrible person who says outrageous things. The issue you're dealing with is the same issue Iggy was. You're mixing your perception of banks with what she says. The news here isn't banks said something crazy. She always says something crazy. The news here is banks finally says something intelligent on a specific issue and all Iggy (and you) want to do is talk about how terrible a person she is. We all know. We all get it.

I'm not trying to cherry pick. What you're doing is trying to bring irrelevant personal attacks to someone commenting on a broader issue. If you watched the interview like I did you see banks own up partially to her own demise. She's not blaming anyone for her failure. You guys think that's what the topic was about. It's not. The topic was about black appropriation. Banks can and should be able to talk about black appropriation without people hand waving her points because she's an unlikable human being.
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There are two different discussion that can be had here, they can be had together or separately. Sho_Nuff was originally talking on the aspect where Iggy was calling out Banks for attributing her personal issues to external issues. You came into trying to argue that that entire element of the conversation be dropped. When the conversation was about the her hypocrisy and her mixing it into bigger issues. That is a perfectly valid discussion to have. Sure Banks may want to move past it, and owned up to it. That doesn't mean that people can't talk about what happened. You're trying to shape the flow of discussion too much. If you want to move past it and talk on the subject that Banks is constantly alluding to, then do so. But you framed it by interjecting into the other conversation. Which once again is one that can be had.

AyaisMUsikWhore said:
So I can receive a PR response that suppose to address the situation by not being real? Oh please. We've had people like childish Gambino, Kendrick, shit even Lauren Hill, and a host of other rappers, singers etc, who say this stuff in the nicest way possible but it gets thrown under a rug and that's it.

Watch the interview. She certainly takes responbility for her actions and her career demise.

A controversial mouthpiece to attack is the only way to get it out. And if you do say it in the most unfiltered way possible.. You're vile, disgusting, angry, bitter, etc etc etc.

See: Kanye West
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What in the world? You're putting words in my mouth then attacking them. Of course she isn't some irredeemable person. Of course we shouldn't bar her from moving forward and letting her talk free from the baggage. But sometimes these things take time. People can still discuss her previous behavior and comments, it's not like people suddenly can't talk about because she is also taking responsibility. My whole point, is that you can't go around telling people they are in the wrong for discussing something that happened and say they should instead be having a pure conversation about appropriation.
 
Great, now I have to look up who Azelia Banks is. The only reason I know who Iggy is is thanks to J-Lo.

Ugh, pop music these days...
 
injurai said:
There are two different discussion that can be had here, they can be had together or separately. Sho_Nuff was originally talking on the aspect where Iggy was calling out Banks for attributing her personal issues to external issues. You came into trying to argue that that entire element of the conversation be dropped. When the conversation was about the her hypocrisy and her mixing it into bigger issues. That is a perfectly valid discussion to have. Sure Banks may want to move past it, and owned up to it. That doesn't mean that people can't talk about what happened. You're trying to shape the flow of discussion too much. If you want to move past it and talk on the subject that Banks is constantly alluding to, then do so. But you framed it by interjecting into the other conversation. Which once again is one that can be had.
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I'm not nor have I ever been trying till direct the flow. My first post never suggested that element be dropped. Read my first post again: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=144138631#post144138631

And listen to the interview. Not once does banks associate her failure with industry discrimination. Again the topic was black appropriation. She was commenting on white artist doing mediocre black music and being rewarded when black artist are doing exceptional black music and being shunned. The conversational thread had nothing to do with her failure as an artist. It was simply about appropriation and whether or not iggy was participating in that behavior.

It doesn't sound like you listened to the interview because you keep talking about banks being a failure. That wasn't the discussion in the interview and has nothing to do with what she was talking about.

I can tell you you're wrong without being a conversation dictator.
 
injurai said:
There are two different discussion that can be had here, they can be had together or separately. Sho_Nuff was originally talking on the aspect where Iggy was calling out Banks for attributing her personal issues to external issues. You came into trying to argue that that entire element of the conversation be dropped. When the conversation was about the her hypocrisy and her mixing it into bigger issues. That is a perfectly valid discussion to have. Sure Banks may want to move past it, and owned up to it. That doesn't mean that people can't talk about what happened. You're trying to shape the flow of discussion too much. If you want to move past it and talk on the subject that Banks is constantly alluding to, then do so. But you framed it by interjecting into the other conversation. Which once again is one that can be had.
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Then the conversation would go no where because people can pull up and will constantly pull up all the questionable stuff Iggy said. So does that mean that should attribute to this conversation as well when that really isn't the issue.

This is not about fame vs fame.

This is about Hollywood, the Music Industry and others disrespecting culture over and over again.

Iggy career vs Azealia Banks career is not the issue here. If that's the case, we wouldn't be talking about black appropriation and instead about album sales and all that non sense. Sho_Nuff mentioned her career. Big deal, her career is in the toilet, however is what she saying right now wrong entirely? Or is it because she said and it why we shouldn't hold a discussion about it because of who she is?
injurai said:
What in the world? You're putting words in my mouth then attacking them. Of course she isn't some irredeemable person. Of course we shouldn't bar her from moving forward and letting her talk free from the baggage. But sometimes these things take time. People can still discuss her previous behavior and comments, it's not like people suddenly can't talk about because she is also taking responsibility. My whole point, is that you can't go around telling people they are in the wrong for discussing something that happened and say they should instead be having a pure conversation about appropriation.
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I didn't put words in your mouth lol.

I get what your saying but that isn't what anonymous or this whole thing is about. Bringing up her career to slightly distract the actual conversation does not matter here. So what if she said some questionable unfavorable things, burned her bridges in her own career etc....


What does that have to do with black appropriation in the music industry? Azealia Banks is victim to this but she isn't the most unique. Some of her situation is due to her own lack of filter, but it's no secret that when it comes to black culture, it is nickled and dimed and replaced by new faces. In that sense, her career demise and who she is as a person doesn't make her opinion any less valid.

I just don't think intertwining that conversation with a petty beef is worth doing but well... When the person who is apart of that issue in the industry continues to ignore it.. It does become frustrating despite all of it.
 
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
Then the conversation would go no where because people can pull up and will constantly pull up all the questionable stuff Iggy said. So does that mean that should attribute to this conversation as well when that really isn't the issue.

This is not about fame vs fame.

This is about Hollywood, the Music Industry and others disrespecting culture over and over again.

Iggy career vs Azealia Banks career is not the issue here. If that's the case, we wouldn't be talking about black appropriation and instead about album sales and all that non sense. Sho_Nuff mentioned her career. Big deal, her career is in the toilet, however is what she saying right now wrong entirely? Or is it because she said and it why we shouldn't hold a discussion about it because of who she is?
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Pretty much. People thinking she's blaming appropriation for her failure didn't listen to the interview. She never once talked about those two in the same conversational thread. She simply has a problem with black appropriation in the music industry and feels iggy and macklemore are the poster children for that at this moment. Especially when they receive awards over Kendrick and drake as she stated herself.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
I'm not nor have I ever been trying till direct the flow. My first post never suggested that element be dropped. Read my first post again: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?p=144138631#post144138631

And listen to the interview. Not once does banks associate her failure with industry discrimination. Again the topic was black appropriation. She was commenting on white artist doing mediocre black music and being rewarded when black artist are doing exceptional black music and being shunned. The conversational thread had nothing to do with her failure as an artist. It was simply about appropriation and whether or not iggy was participating in that behavior.

It doesn't sound like you listened to the interview because you keep talking about banks being a failure. That wasn't the discussion in the interview and has nothing to do with what she was talking about.

I can tell you you're wrong without being a conversation dictator.
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I don't keep talking about her being a failure. I'm just pointing out there are halves of the whole ordeal and they can both be discussed. If either side said something ugly it need not cloud things of value that were said. But they are still there, and they can still be talked about. How for example it's working against what the person is trying to achieve.

AyaisMUsikWhore said:
Then the conversation would go no where because people can pull up and will constantly pull up all the questionable stuff Iggy said. So does that mean that should attribute to this conversation as well when that really isn't the issue.

This is not about fame vs fame.

This is about Hollywood, the Music Industry and others disrespecting culture over and over again.

Iggy career vs Azealia Banks career is not the issue here. If that's the case, we wouldn't be talking about black appropriation and instead about album sales and all that non sense. Sho_Nuff mentioned her career. Big deal, her career is in the toilet, however is what she saying right now wrong entirely? Or is it because she said and it why we shouldn't hold a discussion about it because of who she is?
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Yes there are multiple conversations being had from all of this. Some are big issues that go beyond those two, others are petty conversations involving both of them. My point is that You can talk about the issues individually in isolation, or in the instances where the issues were blurred through their fights and banters.

You say those two aren't the issue, but they have found themselves right in the middle of it. You can talk about it in relation to them. It's not like by doing so you somehow mar the discourse of discussion and somehow disregard the seriousness of it. You can talk about it piecemeal.
 
too many Azaleias

I remember when there was only one, and she was a pornstar. One of the first I wanked to
 
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injurai said:
I don't keep talking about her being a failure. I'm just pointing out there are halves of the whole ordeal and they can both be discussed. If either side said something ugly it need not cloud things of value that were said. But they are still there, and they can still be talked about. How for example it's working against what the person is trying to achieve.



Yes there are multiple conversations being had from all of this. Some are big issues that go beyond those two, others are petty conversations involving both of them. My point is that You can talk about the issues individually in isolation, or in the instances where the issues were blurred through their fights and banters.

You say those two aren't the issue, but they have found themselves right in the middle of it. You can talk about it in relation to them. It's not like by doing so you somehow mar the discourse of discussion and somehow disregard the seriousness of it. You can talk about it piecemeal.
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You can talk about her being a terrible person but what's the point? I came in here saying Iggy was wrong to respond the way she did because it shows an incredible amount of selfishness and racial apathy.

Terrance Howard has burned bridges due to his personality and business decisions. Does that mean we brush off his annoyance with Hollywood's prejudices against minority actors because he's a screw up? Does that give Robert Downey permission to dismiss Hollywood's discriminatory business practices and simply comment on Terrance being an unlikable guy? What's more important/relevant? Terrance being an unlikable screw up when he bemoans the unfair treatment of his black peers or the message and point he's making?

If you think it's more important to talk about how imperfect the individual is who is critiquing the system rather than talking about their legitimate critique on an unfair and imperfect system then you've got a problem.
 
You can see the subtle racism (not to mention disgust for the actual culture that is making her famous) oozing off Iggy a mile away. Most people were to concerned with her ass shots to notice.

but Azleiza is just a big mouth that should of got a public two piece a long time ago.

dont have any interest in either
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
No I don't. I don't think the fight had to be channeled through banks at all. I actually like Iggy more than I do banks. I know banks is a terrible person who says outrageous things. The issue you're dealing with is the same issue Iggy was. You're mixing your perception of banks with what she says. The news here isn't banks said something crazy. She always says something crazy. The news here is banks finally says something intelligent on a specific issue and all Iggy (and you) want to do is talk about how terrible a person she is. We all know. We all get it.

I'm not trying to cherry pick. What you're doing is trying to bring irrelevant personal attacks to someone commenting on a broader issue. If you watched the interview like I did you see banks own up partially to her own demise. She's not blaming anyone for her failure. You guys think that's what the topic was about. It's not. The topic was about black appropriation. Banks can and should be able to talk about black appropriation without people hand waving her points because she's an unlikable human being.
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Great post.

This whole thing is interesting in a wider context not just with Banks arguing on twitter. A lot of younger black eyes have been opened this year as to how blatantly 'society' is setup to serve some people and not others, despite this supposedly being the era of Post-racial America. Banks as crazy as she can be is voicing those feelings.

Primarily through her experience of the music industry, but it's definitely touching a nerve with certain folks. A lot of other black artists are too scared too say anything in case they get potentially blackballed. So she stands out.

Maybe this will start a more honest dialogue on a subject that needs to be broached no matter how uncomfortable it makes people feel. And Iggy has gotten a little too comfortable doing certain stuff lately.

I did like Q-Tip's interjections on her behalf as Action Bronson was trying some very slick shit.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
You can talk about her being a terrible person but what's the point? I came in here saying Iggy was wrong to respond the way she did because it shows an incredible amount of selfishness and racial apathy.

Terrance Howard has burned bridges due to his personality and business decisions. Does that mean we brush off his annoyance with Hollywood's prejudices against minority actors because he's a screw up? Does that give Robert Downey permission to dismiss Hollywood's discriminatory business practices and simply comment on Terrance being an unlikable guy? What's more important/relevant? Terrance being an unlikable screw up when he bemoans the unfair treatment of his black peers or the message and point he's making?

If you think it's more important to talk about how imperfect the individual is who is critiquing the system rather than talking about their legitimate critique on an unfair and imperfect system then you've got a problem.
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This is getting fruitless. I'm not even arguing against these points, but it keeps coming back to that. I'm honestly trying to defend the discussion over it, because people seem to get caught up on other people talking about parts of the whole ordeal which they themselves put less value on. I think we both said too little early on to see we were talking about very different things, probably made some assumptions too.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
You can talk about her being a terrible person but what's the point? I came in here saying Iggy was wrong to respond the way she did because it shows an incredible amount of selfishness and racial apathy.

Terrance Howard has burned bridges due to his personality and business decisions. Does that mean we brush off his annoyance with Hollywood's prejudices against minority actors because he's a screw up? Does that give Robert Downey permission to dismiss Hollywood's discriminatory business practices and simply comment on Terrance being an unlikable guy? What's more important/relevant? Terrance being an unlikable screw up when he bemoans the unfair treatment of his black peers or the message and point he's making?

If you think it's more important to talk about how imperfect the individual is who is critiquing the system rather than talking about their legitimate critique on an unfair and imperfect system then you've got a problem.
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Dude, in this same interview Azealia also goes in on Tiny...again. A woman who has done nothing to her, probably doesn't even know her, and whose only apparent fault is that she's TI's wife. Azealia is grimey and vile. Just straight up. And you can't really scrub this interview clean of her hatred just because she eventually gets around to a salient point on black cultural appropriation. Especially because, being real, she didn't say anything new or particularly poignant about black cultural appropriation. She's saying what pretty much everyone who would even tune into this interview is saying, while lacing it with her typical, and petty bullshit. Is she right? Sure. And nobody's saying she's wrong. A stopped clock is right twice a day.

And you can't really get mad at Iggy for not ignoring her, and for cutting right through the crap and calling Azealia out for what she's really doing: taking a real and serious issue and using it to fund this tired-ass beef. It's easy for us to say, "Oh, Iggy should have just ignored her or commented on the bigger issue," but Iggy's been fielding this shit from Azealia since day one.

You can't really separate the point Azealia's trying to make on cultural appropriation from her. And at no point in the interview does she even indicate that she wants you do that. Because she doesn't.
 
I thought Terrence Howard was just able to demand a few extremely lucrative deals following Hustle and Flow then didn't exactly deliver with commensurate performances. And I've heard people who actually thought they were getting along with Downey, ended up learning they were not from his perspective. I recall an interview in which a comment from Jack Black and Ben Stiller, made in jest and good fun, was taken really poorly by Downey - and they have not worked together since despite the success of Tropic Thunder. Something like "it was funny pretending to work with a diva (regarding Downey's character) while actually working with a diva".

Ah, the petty arguments of celebrities.
 
I've never heard of any of these people before this topic, and I'm siding with Azealia Banks from her interview, and after watching videos of Iggy Azalea.
 
"Anonymous (hacker) is beefing with Iggy Azalea, apparently because something racist she said to that trash Azaleia Banks."

WHO IS... WHO? I'm never gonna figure who's who of those two..
 
To the people who don't know who either of them is: it's really not that complicated to google their names (provided that this news is of any interest to you of course).

Plus I'm sure most of you have heard "Fancy" at least once in their life.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
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I don't disagree. But when you're making black music it's probably not a good idea to dismiss legitimate issues because you hate the obsessed crazy person throwing shade at you everyday. Iggys best course of action would have been to ignore her.
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What the fuck is black music?
 
royalan said:
Dude, in this same interview Azealia also goes in on Tiny...again. A woman who has done nothing to her, probably doesn't even know her, and whose only apparent fault is that she's TI's wife. Azealia is grimey and vile. Just straight up. And you can't really scrub this interview clean of her hatred just because she eventually gets around to a salient point on black cultural appropriation. Especially because, being real, she didn't say anything new or particularly poignant about black cultural appropriation. She's saying what pretty much everyone who would even tune into this interview is saying, while lacing it with her typical, and petty bullshit. Is she right? Sure. And nobody's saying she's wrong. A stopped clock is right twice a day.

And you can't really get mad at Iggy for not ignoring her, and for cutting right through the crap and calling Azealia out for what she's really doing: taking a real and serious issue and using it to fund this tired-ass beef. It's easy for us to say, "Oh, Iggy should have just ignored her or commented on the bigger issue," but Iggy's been fielding this shit from Azealia since day one.

You can't really separate the point Azealia's trying to make on cultural appropriation from her. And at no point in the interview does she even indicate that she wants you do that. Because she doesn't.
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I would have been fine if Iggy just called her a terrible person. My problem with how she responded was that she said there are plenty successful black musicians in different genres as if it negated what Banks was stating. And then proceeded to try and prove her point by talking about how terrible a person banks is and that being the reason for the discrepancy.

Again. Banks it's pretty vile I agree. We could bore each other with how much we agree in that regard. I just don't think a white artist profiting off the appropriation of black music while continually saying racist remarks should have dismissed black appropriation and the disparity in recognition when dealing with the creators and the appropriators.

I guess to me it's a question of whether what iggy said was an appropriate response to the specific segment in question. Out of all the stupid things banks said in the interview iggy decided to respond to the one intelligent thing she spoke about and came off herself looking bad in said interaction even though as a whole banks is overall more inappropriate.
 
CrankyJay said:
What the fuck is black music?
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It's this a trick question? Do disagree with the concept or are you playing a semantics game?
Sho_Nuff82 said:
So what does the hip hop community propose as a solution to cultural appropriation? A moratorium on white rappers?
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Well you're just ignoring the issue now. The issue is not necessarily appropriation. Like I said and banks said the problem is the discrepancy in recognition. It's yours but it's not yours. You did well but we like this lighter face better. Hence the whole issue of macklemore winning over Kendrick. It's a farce. But it's something that happens often. The white individuals who do black music get more recognition even though often it's not better than their black peers.

Why do you think the meme
"Macklemore is the first rapper with something to say" is so effective?
 
RoySFNR said:
PLEASE look at us! We are relevant, people!

This is Papoose getting his panties in a bunch over 'control' all over again.
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No its not the same lol.

Also just because their not "relevant" doesnt stop them from having an opinion. People can have opinions without it being a cry for fame and relevancy.
 
ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
You can see the subtle racism (not to mention disgust for the actual culture that is making her famous) oozing off Iggy a mile away. Most people were to concerned with her ass shots to notice.

but Azleiza is just a big mouth that should of got a public two piece a long time ago.

dont have any interest in either
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People know Iggy hates negros, they are just too busy hating negros along with her to call her out on it.

She could put on black face and people still wouldn't speak out. This is white privilege in hip hop.
 
Why are people focusing more on who Azaleia Banks is rather than what she's saying? I don't care for her music but after watching that interview she makes valid points. Does it take freaking Michelle Obama saying the same thing for people to understand?

Also, I strongly dislike Iggy and everything she represents so I'm all for this. She's lowkey racist and many people seem to be cool with it or don't even notice.
 
I wonder what they have. Cosby bad is a pretty bold claim, a sex tape and nudes won't cut it. See Jlaw and Kim K. Multiple sex tapes however could be pretty bad. I looked at Twitter and that was what thy were suggesting they had.
 
Wiz said:
Why are people focusing more on who Azaleia Banks is rather than what she's saying? I don't care for her music but after watching that interview she makes valid points. Does it take freaking Michelle Obama saying the same thing for people to understand?

Also, I strongly dislike Iggy and everything she represents so I'm all for this. She's lowkey racist and many people seem to be cool with it or don't even notice.
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It's been addressed in the thread... It's even on this page I believe by Royalan.
 
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