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Another Developers POed at Sony over PS3 development hint?
- Thread starter Golden Darkness
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The actual article is full of hyperbole but I've tried to filter that out.
It starts off saying that Namco have announced major title Ridge Racer 6 for 360 and not PS3, why is that... (then the tools comment). It ends with the statement that no company has ever won 3 gens in row - can Sony break the jinx?
It starts off saying that Namco have announced major title Ridge Racer 6 for 360 and not PS3, why is that... (then the tools comment). It ends with the statement that no company has ever won 3 gens in row - can Sony break the jinx?
The Take Out Bandit
Member
Odds are pretty good.
Unless Nintendo is bundling Daisy / Peach Real Dolls with the Revolution.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
Jonnyram said:
Gah...it seems to be trying to point out doom and gloom. Thats to bad, since there seems to be actual comments from concerned developers.
Jonnyram said:
Of course the PS3 has a chance. I mean, the videogame industry is still very very young. There's alot more history to be made so to say. I just hope Microsoft doesnt get control of the market. Don't get me wrong, I love my Xbox, and will probably be getting a 360 some time next year (I hate buying early versions of hardware), but just the thought of Microsoft leading in any market, is, well, scary......
krypt0nian
Banned
Ponn01 said:
Painfully true.
Weekly Diamond sold on 2005.10.24(Mon)
http://dw.diamond.ne.jp/number/051029/index.html
今から懸念されるソフト不足　ソニー「PS3」に漂う不安
http://dw.diamond.ne.jp/number/051029/index.html
今から懸念されるソフト不足　ソニー「PS3」に漂う不安
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
To be honest, nobody....not even Nintendo, has dominated 2 console generation the way Sony has:
FUN FACT:
SCEI has sold more consoles in two generations (~190M) than Nintendo has sold consoles period (~165M)
For something to "break a jinx" would mean that a precedent existed for it to be broken...
PlayStation sales are unprecedented....
So who is to say Sony won't do it again??
They already broke the "rules" with PSOne and PS2 success......I would be *shocked* if PS3 wont sell more consoles than Rev and X360 _combined_ by the time PS4 is due....
FUN FACT:
SCEI has sold more consoles in two generations (~190M) than Nintendo has sold consoles period (~165M)
For something to "break a jinx" would mean that a precedent existed for it to be broken...
PlayStation sales are unprecedented....
So who is to say Sony won't do it again??
They already broke the "rules" with PSOne and PS2 success......I would be *shocked* if PS3 wont sell more consoles than Rev and X360 _combined_ by the time PS4 is due....
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Kleegamefan said:
That god for this sanity. Good fun fact by the way.
clearacell
Member
Kleegamefan said:
GameBoy o_0?
The industry is too new to really have a lot of precedents other than "Americans will buy games for blood and gore while the Japanese enjoy RPG's and quirky titles".
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Kleegamefan said:
Your right, it's not just the domination but how much they dominated, the home consoles sales of Playstation is unprecendented. Not only was it the only home console to break 70,80,90, and 100 million barrier for home consoles sold, they are going to do it twice again with PS2! Crazy.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
well, the one thing to bear in mind is that the industry has grown substantially since the pre-playstation days - Nintendos dominance in the fledgling era was always going to translate into less sales when gaming was imature, but hey, growth of the industry can be at the very least partially attributed to the PS brand, so that observation is a little neutered statement ..
Kleegamefan said:Do they mean last summer as in Summer 2004??
If so, that would give X360 jap developers an 18 month head start, which is all the more surprising considering the results we are seeing from Japanese PS3 developers currently
I believe that, for the first time on a PlayStation platform, Japanese developers are on the receiving end of early software that needs to be translated from a different language into Japanese....with PSOne/PS2, western devs were the ones that got the shaft by receiving early Japanese developer docs...
With PS3, however, a majority of the software is probably in english (Open GL, Unreal Engine 3.0, Havok, Agiea SDK, Renderware) so I am sure they are not that happy about this
It will probably take some time for Japanese versions of these SDKs to arrive and the fallout from this might be what you are seeing here....
Or maybe not...
just went to convenient store to read the weekly diamond
the article is on p.19. it just mentioned the xbox360 dev kit was released in last summer (without saying whether it was 2004 or 2005)
and yes the link here was an extract from the article
http://game-science.com/news/001249.php
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Diamond reports developer discontent with PS3 tools
The latest issue of Japanese economy magazine, Weekly Diamond, reveals that developers are unhappy with the state of PS3 development tools, and software is likely to be late in coming for the hardware. The article states that PS3 dev tools have only just started shipping to developers this month, while 360 tools were shipped last summer. Furthermore, SCE has not yet announced the price of the console, so developers are unable to predict what audience they are targetting games at. President of Enterbrian, Hirokazu Hamamura, says "We are unlikely to see games exhibiting a level only PS3 can achieve until the end of 2007."
The article goes on to compare the benefits of PS2 as a cheap DVD player when it launched in 2000, with PS3's Blu-Ray playback capabilities, the main difference between then and now being that the industry is currently deep in a format-war for next-generation video, and that Blu-Ray movies still don't exist. It is therefore deduced that the number of users who will pick it up as a cheap Blu-Ray player at launch is somewhat smaller, and that sales of game software will be key for the system.
Source: Shuukan Diamond
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the article also mentioned that some developers are starting to develop online or mobile games. they would not necessarily limit themselves to the console game area like ps3.
however the article itself did not have something new and did not have figures to support its conclusion.
e.g. it mentioned that ps2 is a difficult platform to the developers and so ps2 did not have many titles in the early stage. as ps3 might also be difficult to develop, ps3 might not have many titles in the early stage as well.
however, even though xbox and gcn were claimed to be developer friendly consoles as compared to ps2, the 1st year titles indicated that xbox has only a few titles more than ps2, and gcn has only half titles as ps2.
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_____ PS2 Xbox GCN DC
Month JP US Tot Month JP US Tot MonthJP US Tot Month JP US Tot
00.03 16 16 01.11 32 32 01.09 3 3 98.11 4 4
00.04 7 7 01.12 9 9 01.10 1 1 98.12 4 4
00.05 1 1 02.01 5 5 01.11 2 15 17 99.01 3 3
00.06 7 7 02.02 14 8 22 01.12 4 6 9 99.02 3 3
00.07 2 2 02.03 5 14 19 02.01 1 3 3 99.03 14 14
00.08 15 15 02.04 5 6 11 02.02 2 7 10 99.04 7 7
00.09 14 14 02.05 6 7 13 02.03 9 10 24 99.05 0 0
00.10 4 31 35 02.06 9 6 15 02.04 2 4 7 99.06 5 5
00.11 14 8 22 02.07 5 7 12 02.05 2 4 6 99.07 14 14
00.12 44 9 53 02.08 3 14 17 02.06 1 9 8 99.08 6 6
01.01 8 6 14 02.09 6 22 28 02.07 7 1 9 99.09 12 18 30
01.02 10 7 17 02.10 5 25 30 02.08 5 10 13 99.10 5 5 10
Total 142 61 207 58 155 213 39 69 108 77 23 100HomerSimpson-Man
Member
DCharlie said:
I guess you can put it like that, for further establishment of what PS1 achieved, it outsold the combined install base of the entire 16-bit SNES/Genesis generation, it certainly grew a lot.
come on. This guy is really having to dig hard to come up with bad stuff. We don't know what audience there will be? 20 something guys with backpacks and not enough sunlight. Just like with PS2.
Hmm, why hasn't Namco announced RR6 for PS3? Because hardly anybody has announced any games? Becasue Sony wants to wait to announce a few at once? Because Namco wants to spend more than 2ms actually promoting the X360 version? Lots of reasons that don't immediately spell 'conspiracy theory' to me.
SolidSnakex
Member
Amir0x said:
Indeed, the Japanese PS3 list is looking quite nice already
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/16/news_6133515.html
SolidSnakex said:
Yeah, I love the list. There's a lot of hot shit on there, and some stuff that is still not titled that can mean even more hot shit
Namco
Unnamed RPG, RPG (Tales?)
Unnamed fighting game, fighting (Tekken Tag?)
Unnamed shooting game, shooting
Unnamed sports game, sports
Nippon-ichi Software
Makai Wars (tentative name), RPG
Atlus
Shin Megami Tensei series, RPG
Capcom
action game, action
Devil May Cry 4, stylish action
Biohazard 5, survival horror
Gust
Unnamed role playing game, RPG
Konami
Gradius series, shooting
Unnamed soccer game, soccer (Winning Eleven?)
Unnamed role playing game, RPG (Suikoden?)
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, tactical espionage action
Unnamed action game, action
Square Enix
Final Fantasy series, TBA
Just for some I'm excited about. There's much more. SECRETS, HIDDEN STORIES...
I love the gaming, yo.
SolidSnakex
Member
I didn't even notice that Gust was on the list. Their new PS2 RPG looks awesome
Il Comodino
sorry about his english
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Thanks article for this big a$$ lie. :lol Look at their own chart. the PS2 only lost to the Xbox this gen. And that is mostly due to the lack of the US games for 9 months because there was no system out then.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
"We are unlikely to see games exhibiting a level only PS3 can achieve until the end of 2007."
That level may very well be Next-Gen that ALL of us agree on, and may very well be worth the wait. However, I will gladly play with my X360 until then. And maybe my DS. My PC. etc.
My advice to Sony: No matter how long it takes, get the PS3 right and the haters will buy it.
That level may very well be Next-Gen that ALL of us agree on, and may very well be worth the wait. However, I will gladly play with my X360 until then. And maybe my DS. My PC. etc.
My advice to Sony: No matter how long it takes, get the PS3 right and the haters will buy it.