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whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
I haven't seen whether this article was posted somewhere else on the forum. It was posted on another political forum which I go to, and I thought it was an excellent article. It's a few years old now, but given the nature of the times, it still rings true in many, many aspects, and is well worth the read, despite it's length.

The Chronicle said:
The Renaissance of Anti-Intellectualism
By TODD GITLIN

The presidential campaign ended, effectively, in a tie, but it did speak clearly about the value accorded intellectuals and intellectuality in American culture. What it declared is, to say the least, inauspicious.

However the next four years play out in the White House, George W. Bush deserves a certain credit for resurrecting -- though probably not intentionally -- the subject of anti-intellectualism. Like Dan Quayle before him, but even more conspicuously (Bush's gaffes provided horror-comic relief during a campaign marked by its narrowed themes and horse-race obsessions), the governor of Texas proved an inadvertent shill for the comedy routines that have become an increasingly visible showcase for the spectacle of national politics.

Gov. Malaprop accomplished that dubious objective by various means: semantic spatter, most memorably "subliminable" for "subliminal," but also "subscribe" for "ascribe," "retort" for "resort," "hostile" for "hostage," and so on; inversions and juxtapositions of singular verbs and plural nouns, as in "Our priorities is our faith" and "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream"; and an ineptitude so guileless ("Social Security is not a federal program") as to embarrass the literal-minded who affect intellectual seriousness, for after a certain point it seems rude to call attention to the obvious, or "elitist" to notice something that viewers haven't noticed.

Early in the campaign, Bush had famously dubbed the inhabitants of Greece "Grecians" and flubbed a talk-show host's quiz about names of foreign leaders. There was so much ignorance on display as to raise the suspicion, on one hand, that Bush was dyslexic or, on the other, that this lazy-minded graduate of Andover, Yale, and Harvard Business School was a chip off his father's pork rinds, appealing self-consciously to his audience's resentment of brains. Thanks to videotape and a media maw hungry for simple charges and sound bites, Duh-bya seemed to have stridden right out of central casting, a veritable personification of the politician as clown.

Yet none of the easy charges against Bush touched upon his more substantial incapacities: his lack of curiosity about the world (he has scarcely traveled outside the United States and Mexico City) and the ample evidence that he does not reason. During the debates, he was unresponsive to questions the answers to which he had not memorized. In public appearances, he spoke in sloganistic lists, not arcs. It would seem that, precisely because his thinking was disordered, the governor lost track of his points, so that items came out nonsensical, as in: "Drug therapies are replacing a lot of medicines as we used to know it."

There has been much talk since the election to the effect that "two nations" were evenly matched in the contest: roughly speaking, the rural, inland, heavily male, and white Bushland versus the urban, coastal, heavily female, black, and immigrant Goreland. To be sure, suspicion of intellectuals and intellectuality was visible in both camps, but most plainly so in Bush's. So it came to pass that half of the voting population was appalled that the other half judged this man of little discernible achievement, little knowledge of the world or curiosity about it, to be an acceptable president of the United States. His defenders were in the position of claiming that it didn't matter whether the governor was smart or not, he could hire a smart staff, thereby certifying that intelligence was something for underlings.

In the minds of many of Bush's supporters, the absence of thoughtfulness, the narrowness of scope, the presence of diminished capacity were all reduced to a question of "management style." Gore, meanwhile, suffered bad reviews for his dismissive and overbearing style of intellectual combat. In the eyes of half the population, the vice president fell prey to a suspicion that he was not only preachy but also a sharpie. In the media's campaign story line, the standard charge against Gore, shared by the Bush campaign and the comedians, was that, like the traditional confidence man, Gore -- too smart for his own good -- lied, while Bush was the amiable common man.

Thirty-seven years have passed since the appearance of the last substantial book to take seriously, in the words of its title, Anti-Intellectualism in American Life. Richard Hofstadter's tour de force, appearing in 1963, is actually a product of the 1950's. Like many intellectuals, Hofstadter was disturbed by the general disdain for "eggheads," haunted by Joseph McCarthy's thuggish assault on Dean Acheson and his Anglophilic ways, and dismayed by Eisenhower's taste for Western novels and his tangled syntax (which was not yet understood to be, at least sometimes, not simply incompetent but deliberately evasive). Had not Eisenhower himself in 1954 (no doubt in words written for him by another hand) cited a definition of an intellectual as "a man who takes more words than are necessary to tell more than he knows"? (How much more congenial was Stevenson, who once cracked: "Eggheads of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your yolks!")

Probing for historical roots of a mood that was sweeping (if somewhat exaggerated by intellectuals), Hofstadter found that "our anti-intellectualism is, in fact, older than our national identity." He cited, among others, the Puritan John Cotton, who wrote in 1642, "The more learned and witty you bee, the more fit to act for Satan will you bee"; and Baynard R. Hall, who wrote in 1843 of frontier Indiana: "We always preferred an ignorant bad man to a talented one, and hence attempts were usually made to ruin the moral character of a smart candidate; since unhappily smartness and wickedness were supposed to be generally coupled, and incompetence and goodness."

Yet, according to the historian Lawrence W. Levine, the illiterate Rocky Mountain scout Jim Bridger could recite long passages from Shakespeare, which he learned by hiring someone to read the plays to him. "There is hardly a pioneer's hut that does not contain a few odd volumes of Shakespeare," Alexis de Tocqueville found on his trip through America in 1831-32. Here lay a supremely American paradox: The same Americans who valued the literacy of commoners were suspicious of experts and tricksters.

In his unsurpassed survey, Hofstadter described three pillars of anti-intellectualism -- evangelical religion, practical-minded business, and the populist political style. Religion was suspicious of modern relativism, business of regulatory expertise, populism of claims that specialized knowledge had its privileges. Those pillars stand. But, as Hofstadter recognized, something was changing in American life, and that was the uneasy apotheosis of technical intellect.

The rise of big science during World War II, and its normalization during the cold war, along with the Sputnik panic of 1957, made "brains" more reputable among respectable citizens who had their own ideas about the force of common sense but had to acknowledge that expertise delivered material goods. Then as now, the "brains" that became admirable were brains kept in their place. To the extent that brains were admirable, it was because they were instrumental -- they prevented polio, invented computers, launched satellites.

By the 1990's, the geek was an acceptable good guy, the nerd an entrepreneurial hero. That sense of the supreme position of useful intellect is preserved in the current phrase, "It's not rocket science" -- implying that real rocket science is the grandest field of intellectual dreams.

Hofstadter did most of his research before Kennedy came to the White House, and he understood that Kennedy's brief ascendancy did not change the fundamentals. Kennedy was not especially serious about the life of the mind, but he was elegant, witty, and, by all accounts, enjoyed the occasional presence of intellectuals. John Kenneth Galbraith and Arthur Schlesinger Jr. were adornments. Never mind that Kennedy's reading tilted heavily toward Ian Fleming, who in the James Bond books supplied the president with a man of action's idea of the debonair, the sort of fellow whose European accent can be mistaken for mental accomplishment.

Even into the Johnson administration, the White House ceremonially invited intellectuals and high artists to visit, culminating in the public-relations disaster of a White House festival of the arts, in 1965, that was boycotted by some writers and artists while others circulated an antiwar petition at the event.

The force of Hofstadter's insight into persistent anti-intellectualism despite the rising legitimacy of technical experts would be clear five years after he published his book. George Wallace ran well in several Democratic Party primaries, and eventually, too, as a third-party candidate, while campaigning against "pointy-headed bureaucrats" -- precisely the classic identification of intellect with arbitrary power that Hofstadter had identified as the populist hallmark.

There was a left-wing version of this presupposition, too. A populist strain in the 60's student movement, identifying with the oppressed sharecroppers of the Mississippi Delta and the dispossessed miners of Appalachia, bent the principle "Let the people decide" into a suspicion of all those who were ostensibly knowledgeable. Under pressure of the Vietnam War, the steel-rimmed technocrat Robert S. McNamara came to personify the steel-trap mind untethered by insight, and countercultural currents came to disdain reason as a mask for imperial arrogance.

In his first gubernatorial campaign in 1966, Ronald Reagan deployed a classic anti-intellectual theme -- portraying students as riotous decadents. Real education was essentially a matter of training, and breaches of discipline resulted in nihilism and softness on communism. The Nixon-Agnew team proceeded to mobilize resentment against "nattering na-bobs of negativism," successfully mobilizing a "silent majority" against a verbose minority. That was to flower into a major neoconservative theme thereafter.

As candidate and president, the smooth-spoken if intellectually challenged Reagan succeeded in availing himself of an indulgent press and an adoring constituency that, at the least, did not mind his incapacity. He did not suffer from his evident contempt for professorial types, his half-educated ignorance of history and reliance on crackpot sources, his embrace of the notion that trees cause pollution. That he was opposed by sophisticated types only inflated his aura.

By the 1990's, "elitism" had become an all-purpose epithet, used by neoconservatives against the "new class" (consisting of all political intellectuals with the exception of themselves), but also by hard multiculturalists against "the neo-Enlightenment project," by relativists in general against objectivists in general. Populist resentment flourished even as (and, perhaps in part, because) populist egalitarianism of an economic stripe was dwindling.

The counterculture had introduced suspicion of professionalized rationality -- swelling the reputation of "alternative" medicine and elevating herbs and homeo-pathic, chiropractic, and osteopathic treatments to alternatives to plodding old Western therapies. Hofstadter had made much of the distinction between critical intellectuals (suspected, sometimes justifiably, of being ideologues) and expert intellectuals ("on tap, not on top," in the terms of the early atomic scientists), but thanks to the postmodern mood of the intervening decades, many experts had come to be tarred with the same brush as ideologues. College students were heard to complain that certain professors were excessive in their vocabularies. Even in the classroom, "boring" became an epithet of choice.

A central force boosting anti-intellectualism since Hofstadter published his book has been the bulking up of popular culture and, in particular, the rise of a new form of faux cerebration: punditry. Everyday life, supersaturated with images and jingles, makes intellectual life look hopelessly sluggish, burdensome, difficult. In a video-game world, the play of intellect -- the search for validity, the willingness to entertain many hypotheses, the respect for difficulty, the resistance to hasty conclusions -- has the look of retardation.

Again, there is a continuity to the earlier nation. Long before Hollywood or MTV, Tocqueville observed that Americans were drawn to novelty, turnover, and sensation. How much more so in a world of cascading, all-pervasive images, where two-thirds of children grow up with 24/7 access to television in their bedrooms, where video and computer games flourish, where mobile phones guarantee access when and where one chooses, where the right to be instantly entertained and in-touch seems to preoccupy more of the citizenry than the right to vote and to have their votes properly counted.

There is a seeming paradox that Hofstadter did not anticipate, but would have appreciated. In the torrent of popular culture, there emerges more talk about public affairs than ever before -- virtually nonstop talk about political concerns, debate on burning questions available at all hours of the day and night. But the talk that fills the channels amounts mainly to signals, gestures, and stances -- not reasoning.

Television reporting and punditry are the tributes that entertainment pays to the democratic ideal of discourse. The political talk does not, in the main, evaluate or research: It "covers." When CNN's Washington bureau chief can say casually, "The Texas governor hammered home some of his major themes, including Social Security," this is shorthand, but not only shorthand -- it is a surrogate for reasoning. Positions are signaled -- candidates "position themselves" -- rather than defended; no defending is demanded of them. A topic is a "theme" is a "position" is an "issue" is news.

All the more so does punditry diffuse a debased version of intellectual life, cornering intellect in the name of chat, operating by a sort of Gresham's law of discourse. Punditry is concerned with reviewing performances, rating "presidentiality," itemizing themes, relaying and interpreting spin, not thoughtfully assessing politicians' claims, evaluating their evidence, judging their reasoning. To assess the quality of what politicians say would require intellectual work for which the pundits do not demonstrate competency. Pundits are hired, rather, for the facility and pungency of their presentations and the ferocity and acceptability of their opinions.

The most bookish of pundits, George Will, was hired for the Anglophilic elegance of his sneers, not for logical mastery or historical depth. The punditocracy, as Eric Alterman calls it, does not assess either reason or reasons. Its job is simply to declare which issues are discussable, which positions presentable. It makes up for its intellectual deficits by supplying precooked opinion. The point is not to clarify: It is never to be at a loss for words. Surely the English infusion into American journalism -- the premium on corrosive wit, the fusion of intellectual name-dropping with tabloid meanness -- belongs to this trend: the show of intellect without the demanding work.

When Hofstadter wrote, the dominant intellectuals were either experts or ideologues. The most influential pundit was Walter Lippmann. But the crucial public development since Hofstadter's time is the rise of the pseudo-intellectual, thanks to the premium on smirking and glibness, which, in much of the popular mind, passes for intellect. The pundit is a smart person in both senses -- intelligent and a smarty-pants -- and his knowingness about how the game is played is a substitute for knowledge about what would improve society. Punditry is to intellectual life as fast food is to fine cuisine.

After Gore, self-cast as wonk-expert and therefore prey to precisely the anti-intellectualism that Hofstadter identified, challenged Bush to state his position on the Dingell-Norwood patients-rights' bill during the third debate, and Bush avoided the question, the pseudo-brains of ABC's This Week, Cokie Roberts and Sam Donaldson, made much mirth by mocking the names. They did not think it their obligation to clarify what Gore was talking about. Deadly, that would have been. Chock full of attitude, deploying the cheap gags and knowingness that mark them as qualified for their jobs, those maestros of the Beltway paraded their superiority to knowledge while (as Michael Kinsley pointed out) refraining from showing that they knew more than the public.

Surely television is a boon to anti-intellectualism, with its encouragement of emotional chords and comfort, but the degradations of public life that afflict us are not primarily visual achievements. It is language and sound, most of all, that warp the public discourse. That is true not only in the presentation of politics but of science, education, and many another subject. The sound-bite discourse cultivated by television pumps up the imperative "Cut to the chase," reinforcing the fetish of "the bottom line."

It is not that the sound-bite culture was imposed upon what was previously unrelievedly brilliant politics. From "Tippecanoe and Tyler too" to "I like Ike," American history is soaked in sound-bite prefigurations. Warren G. Harding may not have been much better than George W. Bush. But the more striking transformation in American commentary takes us in 50 years from Walter Lippmann, a man of tremendous historical and philosophical sophistication, to Tim Russert, an intelligent man who specializes in "Gotcha!" questions and gives Rush Limbaugh respectful interviews, defending that choice on the ground that, after all, Limbaugh "speaks to 20-million people." Thus does knowingness make its peace with populism.

In the Bushes, pËre et fils, we see another turn in the history of the American aversion to intellect. Hofstadter rightly noted the 19th-century aristocratic disdain for practical intellectuals, the business types and experts whose rising power displaced their own. The Roosevelt cousins, different in many respects, both honored the life of the mind: Theodore as writer, Franklin as a collector of advisers. Old money respected brains.

But the Bushes are men of social credentials who went to the right schools and passed through them without any detectable mark. They represent aristocracy with a populist gloss, borrowing what they can from the evangelical revival, siding with business and its distaste for time-wasting mind work, holding intellectual talent in contempt from both above and below. Pleasant enough for the pundits, they have been able to count on a surplus of populist ressentiment. That Bush fils, country-club Republican, could gain stature (and keep a straight face) in his presidential campaign for proposing an "education presidency" and denouncing an "education recession" tells us something about the closing of the American mind that Allan Bloom did not dream of.

Todd Gitlin is a professor of culture, journalism, and sociology at New York University, and the author of The Sixties and The Twilight of Common Dreams. He is completing his next book, Infinite Glimmer: On a World Saturated With Images.
http://chronicle.com/free/v47/i15/15b00701.htm
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
Iceman said:
He's right. I DO hate intellectuals. It breeds immutable priggery.

It's just sad that Americans would sooner listen to uneducated assholes who can give them nice sound clips and statistics rather than the people who are actaully learned in the fields that govern humanity.
 
whytemyke said:
It's just sad that Americans would sooner listen to uneducated assholes who can give them nice sound clips and statistics rather than the people who are actaully learned in the fields that govern humanity.

True dat. But it also is apparent in other aspects of society. I dont know how many conversations I over hear about guys talking about nothing but drinking. Thats cool I guess, just not too intellectual.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
Education, knowledge is great... but there's fine line to walk. For one, using the term "anti-intellectualism" is a sure sign of ELITISM. Next step is where you ponder why potential voters are not given a quiz prior to being allowed to vote.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
levious said:
Education, knowledge is great... but there's fine line to walk. For one, using the term "anti-intellectualism" is a sure sign of ELITISM. Next step is where you ponder why potential voters are not given a quiz prior to being allowed to vote.

First off I'd argue that to say that one is directly reflective of the other, as you're saying with anti-intellectualism and elitism, is going a bit too far. I don't think using a term of anti-intellectuals is necessarily saying that you think those people deserve to be on a pedastol.
 

mrmyth

Member
[Chris Rock] Oh, so you a smarty-art nigga, huh? Well, lemme ask ya this - can ya kick MY ass?[/Chris Rock]


Sums it up nicely, I think.
 

djtiesto

is beloved, despite what anyone might say
You can even see it in the public schools... the smart kids always get teased for being "know-it-alls" by their (undoubtedly jealous) less intelligent peers. It's a shame that this is happening in the "adult" world, too. And when you think about it... who's developing the products that keep America the #1 economy in the world? The engineers, scientists, researchers, etc. This disdain for the sciences may very well be the start of a gradual degradation of American superiority.

But then again, intelligence doesn't matter, since Jesus loves you!!!
 

basik

Member
I'm brilliant..I'd say I'm a genius...but I really hate girls who get near me hoping to have lots of "intelligent conversation". I really dont care about sitting around debating or philosophizing. I'd rather be having sex, watching movies, or playing videogames where I kill anything that moves. So I guess you can say I am a 'anti-intellectual'.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
basik said:
I'm brilliant..I'd say I'm a genius...but I really hate girls who get near me hoping to have lots of "intelligent conversation". I really dont care about sitting around debating or philosophizing. I'd rather be having sex, watching movies, or playing videogames where I kill anything that moves. So I guess you can say I am a 'anti-intellectual'.

If you were a genius I imagine you'd read the article defining anti-intellectualism before you'd go so far as to describe yourself as one. :)
 

djtiesto

is beloved, despite what anyone might say
basik said:
I'm brilliant..I'd say I'm a genius...but I really hate girls who get near me hoping to have lots of "intelligent conversation". I really dont care about sitting around debating or philosophizing. I'd rather be having sex, watching movies, or playing videogames where I kill anything that moves. So I guess you can say I am a 'anti-intellectual'.

I think this article refers to "intelligence" as the ability to have a rational discourse on a topic, instead of just preconceived notions and letting emotion rule. Like, the Terri Schiavo case - you had your rationals/pragmatists (the neurosurgeons who studied her brain), and your typical pro-lifers against each other.
 
Oh yeah, I want some professor who's done nothing but academics all his life, or a politician who's done nothing but politics all his life, telling me how to live.

Personally, I'd like everyone, intellectual or not, who tries to tell me how to think and how to live, to fuck off and die.
 
"President Bush, how do you respond to these allegations of anti-intellectualism??"


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I prefer the term "Counter-intelligence". Its a strategery thing, you know? Homeland security and all. God bless.
 

Dilbert

Member
Open Source said:
Oh yeah, I want some professor who's done nothing but academics all his life, or a politician who's done nothing but politics all his life, telling me how to live.

Personally, I'd like everyone, intellectual or not, who tries to tell me how to think and how to live, to fuck off and die.
Charming.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
Open Source said:
Oh yeah, I want some professor who's done nothing but academics all his life, or a politician who's done nothing but politics all his life, telling me how to live.

Last thing we need is a doctor who's done nothing but practice medicine his whole life trying to do surgeries, too! Or a mechanic who's done nothing but fix cars their whole life trying to fix your car!!

So why should we have somebody who's taught their entire life to teach us their subject? And why should we trust people who've done politics and managed society their whole lives to be politicians?

OMG UR SO RITE!!!
 
Don't be to harsh on Open Source. I understand the rebuttals, but I also see the point he's trying to make. Its akin to saying that just because you've studied football all your life that you'd make a capable coach without actually having any experience. Many of these career intellectuals study all about society and history, but have done little to actually experience the machinations of everyday life firsthand outside of the realm of scholarship. Same with politicians (like Bush and Kerry). They feign to understand what the common man wants when they've been nothing but aristocracy their entire lives. Its not to necessarily say that because they haven't experienced common living, that they have no grounds to speak/legislate on it, but it is to say that someone common would feel far more comfortable listening to someone who's walked in similar shoes to his own.

While that shouldn't be a definitive grounds for judgment, its certainly not a spiteful way of thinking. Its natural to trust and relate more with those who've shared similar experiences. Ivory tower themes abound..
 

ge-man

Member
djtiesto said:
You can even see it in the public schools... the smart kids always get teased for being "know-it-alls" by their (undoubtedly jealous) less intelligent peers. It's a shame that this is happening in the "adult" world, too. And when you think about it... who's developing the products that keep America the #1 economy in the world? The engineers, scientists, researchers, etc. This disdain for the sciences may very well be the start of a gradual degradation of American superiority.

But then again, intelligence doesn't matter, since Jesus loves you!!!

Starting--the brain drain has already begun in some ways. I honestly think that the general mood combined with the catastrophe of policy we call No Child Left Behind will have a significantly negative effect on the next generation. I can see it right now when look at what's happening with my baby brother's schools and talking with co-wokers with kids. In the rush to make sure that schools meet the test and attendance standards we're forgetting that part of the goal of education is preparing our kids to be real thinkers. The real world isn't about regurgitating stats and names. Progress comes from curiousity, imagination, and the ability to work through problems.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
No, I know what you're saying Ned. I know I was a dick to the guy, and it's a fairly legitimate point. But like most things it calls for moderation. While it's important not to outright accept people just because of their academic justification, it is also important not to automatically reject people of the same ilk.

However, this is all rather moot. The 'intellectuals' that the author is referring to aren't these geeked up, pretentious cocksuckers that everyone so far seems to be making them out to be. The article is making more of a point that people are more willing to accept dumbed-down versions of reality, rather than actually making an attempt to understand the machinizations themselves. Bush makes a perfect case of this, where I believe his entire party campaign revolved around dumbing things down so that people would feel like any attempt to understand the political milieu that he has created would be nearly suffocating to the common person, when in reality anyone can understand it. It's all a very scary trend, in my opinion, that is very 1984-ish (there should be a law like Godwins about mentioning 1984 in a debate... I hope there isn't one yet though, heh.) People are afraid of these intellectuals because of their mental capabilities, it seems, though this fear is just being perpetuated by other intellectuals hiding behind the screen of proletaria.

This article, to me, just paints in bright colors the current phenomenon in American politics which is just proving that the lower and middle classes are merely political tools used by the upper class to justify their own wishes.
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
levious said:
Education, knowledge is great... but there's fine line to walk. For one, using the term "anti-intellectualism" is a sure sign of ELITISM.

Agreed. And using the term "racism" is a sure sign that you HATE WHITE PEOPLE.

You see what I did there?
 
Ned Flanders said:
Many of these career intellectuals study all about society and history, but have done little to actually experience the machinations of everyday life firsthand outside of the realm of scholarship.

Professors, or career intellectuals as you call them, actually DO experience the machinations of everyday life firsthand. These people have real regular lives and actually do not just sit in mansions sipping martinis. Their pay scale is pretty similar to blue collar workers and therefore they deal with many of the same problems that "normal people" deal with. I don't believe you can be anymore qualified TO discuss society.
 

way more

Member
I'm suprised not a singe person mentions "cultural elite," that conservative spin-word used to rally NASCAR's against Christo's. That buzz word is red flag that the person is full of shit.

impiruis said:
I think this sentence sums up the article nicely.
Truly Bush's America.
 
happyfunball said:
Professors, or career intellectuals as you call them, actually DO experience the machinations of everyday life firsthand. These people have real regular lives and actually do not just sit in mansions sipping martinis. Their pay scale is pretty similar to blue collar workers and therefore they deal with many of the same problems that "normal people" deal with. I don't believe you can be anymore qualified TO discuss society.

Not all career intellectuals are professors. Many of them are authors, scientists, analysts, engineers, etc. I wasn't referring to professors specifically, nor "career intellectuals" as a whole (thus use of the term "many"), but you do make a fair point.
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
Ned Flanders said:
You declared your hatred for white folks?

I kid, I kid..

You may kid, but their pasty asses will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Maybe I'll be labeled as an elitist, but the majority of voters are ignorant morons, and as a result, we've elected king moron to lead the herd of losers off the cliff. This is no different than if we'd elected Dan Quayle as president IMO. There should be serious concern that someone of obviously stunted mental capacity should be leading any nation, much less the most powerful one in the world. Republicans and Democrats alike are perfectly capable of finding intellectuals who aren't smug assholes. That the parties and their members repeatedly settle for these half-assed pretenders every 4 years is embarassing to all involved. Dare I say this anti-intellectualism affects conservatives and liberals alike. You can't seriously claim that Bush is shit, and then prop up Kerry. Kerry may be smarter than Bush, but even he came off as an idiot with his inability to keep his damn foot out of his mouth.

The real intellectuals voted Nader or someone else. The real intellectuals didn't let some political party make up their minds for them. Real intellectuals don't really give a shit about party affiliation or tradition or any of this other bullshit used to rope in the suckers. I'd vote for McCain on a Pub ticket, or for Kooch on a Dem ticket. I'd vote for whoever I thought could do the deed best, not who gave me the best sound bite or gets handjobs from the press.

Maybe it is a bit elitist to look down my nose on "these people", but fuck 'em, what have they done to earn my respect. If you don't think something's good, there's no reason to compromise your beliefs to satisfy the other side. I don't see the morons picking up a paper to get better informed, so why should I have to stop calling them the morons that they are? I hold great contempt for stupid people. I teach some everyday, but at least I can try and help those. But anyone that is satisfied with their own ignorance gets no love from me. I'm too fucking smart for that. L337!!11 :D PEACE.
 

Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
People tend to mock that which they're unsettled by or afraid of, because it gives them a sense of power over that thing. Which might be its own form of elitism - they're seeking to place themselves above it, to make a distinction of "kind" in which their kind is inherently better.

I think claiming it's elitism to even use the term anti-intellectualism is at best very silly. Saying that people irrationally oppose one thing is an observation of irrational behavior. There are a lot of people who, to render it down really basic, fear intellectuals. Many of them fear them personally because they're afraid of looking stupid or being out-talked. For example. I've seen many of the religious who fear scientists because they are deeply afraid the scientist will talk circles around them in an understanding of the material world. And the ones who fear this most often appear to be the religious people who have taken their doctrine and tried to force it to account for everything in life - the spiritual, the philosophical, the metaphysical, and the material.

In a way, I think anti-intellectual behavior is often disingenous. People who practice it know, at some level, that they are "wrong". But they push past it out of fear. And they want to "get 'em" - get the eggheads, the scientists, the intellectuals, first, before the behavior that they feel guilty about deep down is exposed.
 

fart

Savant
basik said:
I'm brilliant..I'd say I'm a genius...but I really hate girls who get near me hoping to have lots of "intelligent conversation"...
jesus why do i spend my time here
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
my statment was meant more as cautionary than straight out labeling, sorry for not being more clear.
 

etiolate

Banned
Clinton also had an anti-intellectualism charm to him. His 'every guy' sort of persona worked well.

The problem is the modern coward, the intellectual afraid to believe. I just wished the people could elect someone with a sense of life and also a brain.
 

Inumaru

Member
basik said:
I'm brilliant..I'd say I'm a genius...but I really hate girls who get near me hoping to have lots of "intelligent conversation". I really dont care about sitting around debating or philosophizing. I'd rather be having sex, watching movies, or playing videogames where I kill anything that moves. So I guess you can say I am a 'anti-intellectual'.

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Rule 6: Be sure to carefully proof posts in which you use phrases like "I'm brilliant...", and "I'm a genius..." so that you may avoid obvious grammatical errors. That'll prevent you from posting phrases like "I am a[sic] 'anti-intellectual'.", and in the process destroying any remaining credibility that might be left after having used the aforementioned phrases.

PS: The correct indefinite article here is "an".
 
Inumaru said:
Interweb Forum Posting 101:

Rule 6: Be sure to carefully proof posts in which you use phrases like "I'm brilliant...", and "I'm a genius..." so that you may avoid obvious grammatical errors. That'll prevent you from posting phrases like "I am a[sic] 'anti-intellectual'.", and in the process destroying any remaining credibility that might be left after having used the aforementioned phrases.

PS: The correct indefinite article here is "an".

To be fair, IQ has nothing to do with grasp of a language or ability to type.

And I know you're just givin' him shit.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
Considering this forum (in all seriousness) occupies an upper strata of intelligent thinking communities, and given some of the responses, I really... do fear for the future of humanity, however cliche that maybe to say.

Once again, I must say, a democracy is a hugely flawed system of government... and the article shows a chief reason as to why it is so flawed.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
Manabanana said:
To be fair, IQ has nothing to do with grasp of a language or ability to type.

And I know you're just givin' him shit.

WTF are you talking about?

IQ has a large affect on ones ability to learn a language properly.
 

Pimpwerx

Member
IQ has nothing to do with typos and proof-reading. That's about being thorough, or having good motor-control skills, nothing more. And yes, this forum does play host to a lot of smart people. PEACE.
 

Inumaru

Member
Pimpwerx said:
IQ has nothing to do with typos and proof-reading. That's about being thorough, or having good motor-control skills, nothing more. And yes, this forum does play host to a lot of smart people. PEACE.

Well, I was just giving him shit, but I know a lot of people with good motor-control skills, many who are thorough, and a few who are both. That doesn't necessarily mean they can proof worth shit, though. Flawed logic there.

Don't worry though, I'm just giving you shit.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
Pimpwerx said:
IQ has nothing to do with typos and proof-reading. That's about being thorough, or having good motor-control skills, nothing more. And yes, this forum does play host to a lot of smart people. PEACE.

IQ has an affect on those skills... although the general rule of thumb is that they're plenty of high IQ people with a want for those skills.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
Zaptruder said:
IQ has an effect on those skills... although the general rule of thumb is that they're plenty of high IQ people with a want for those skills.
fixed ;)
 
Zaptruder said:
IQ has an affect on those skills... although the general rule of thumb is that they're plenty of high IQ people with a want for those skills.

Yes, IQ effects the ability to learn a language, I'm not arguing that. But it's the ability to learn that's key. He could learn a language faster than most people, but assuming he doesn't concentrate on that he won't learn it.

Edit: IQ doesn't effect how much time one has to spend proof-reading on a message board, either :p
 
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