winjer
Gold Member
Do you even have any concrete proof of what you are saying?
Or is it the old arguments that you know a friend of a friend. Or your uncle works at some company.
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What Anti-virus do you use?
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Do you even have any concrete proof of what you are saying?
Or is it the old arguments that you know a friend of a friend. Or your uncle works at some company.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
I would consider myself to be a “pro” in this field. Been doing security for a Fortune 500 company for 3+ years and working in security for 7 years before that, before that I have worked in “IT” for 11 years doing various roles.
So what you’re saying is that every windows PC that is sold that does not have a different AV than defender is compromised in less than 5 minutes?
I think you’re the one that has no idea what’s going on. You’re talking about some zero click zero day affecting the Windows OS as a whole?
You have to actively do something to infect yourself by clicking a link etc.
by simply connecting to the internet with a fully patched system with defender installed you’re at no risk whatsoever.
I think you’ve been watching too many films.
Bojji
Member
Fun thing is that back in (pirated) XP days all my friends and family had viruses and slow computers while I was using system without any AV for months. After that I checked it with Kaspersky and it showed absolutely zero viruses and problems. I don't know why it was like that...
Now I just use defender and don't care.
Now I just use defender and don't care.
Jayjayhd34
Member
I use Windows defender l and am extremely careful about what software I put pc.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Yep. My guess is that the vast majority of companies using MS 365 and Azure also use Microsoft's antivirus solutions and nothing else. There's really no reason to choose another anti virus solution because it's so well integrated into MS enterprise software.
ReBurn
Gold Member
How many years old must one be to become an expert in how long it takes for a computer to be hacked once it connects to the internet?
winjer
Gold Member
The first and most important line of defense is the user.
A person that is careful with what sites one visits, what things it downloads, what sources for programs it uses, has a much smaller change of getting their system infected, than someone that clicks on everything.
A decade ago, I was working for a company, one of the biggest civil construction in the country, and they had a very specific program necessary for the work they were doing.
In a brilliant move of genius, they decided to place that program in a PC that was accessible to everyone. And that meant that anyone would use it.
At one point, the project manager, found that someone had printed a list of "professional ladies" in the area. This should give a good idea of kind of the sites that PC as navigating trough.
The project manager did nothing. And as expected, a few months later that PC was filled with viruses and it barely worked.
LimanimaPT
Member
None. And I get confused how can someone get a computer virus or malicious software running on your computer.
Grildon Tundy
Member
Proof? Source? Examples? You can't speak with such authority without helping us understand where you're coming from. It's just not right! It's not allowed!
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I just use Windows Defender.
In the past I'd download freeware versions of firewalls and virus protectors etc... and it became a hassle seeing the pop ups asking to buy the premium version.
So the past maybe 7-8 years I just use whatever built in protector Windows has when I buy a new laptop and so far so good.
But looking at the list, I;ve used in the past AVG, Avast, Kaspersky, Norton, McAfee, Malwarebytes.
In the past I'd download freeware versions of firewalls and virus protectors etc... and it became a hassle seeing the pop ups asking to buy the premium version.
So the past maybe 7-8 years I just use whatever built in protector Windows has when I buy a new laptop and so far so good.
But looking at the list, I;ve used in the past AVG, Avast, Kaspersky, Norton, McAfee, Malwarebytes.
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I don't have any realtime virus protection.
I use uBlock Origin and Opera's built-in popup blocker for accessing torrent sites.
I use VirusTotal for scanning suspicious executable files/DLLs before launching them.
Every now and then (once a quarter, I guess), I check my computer with multiple free virus scanners, such as:
I use uBlock Origin and Opera's built-in popup blocker for accessing torrent sites.
I use VirusTotal for scanning suspicious executable files/DLLs before launching them.
Every now and then (once a quarter, I guess), I check my computer with multiple free virus scanners, such as:
- Malwarebytes Anti-Rootkit
- ADWCleaner
- Junkware Removal Kit (JRT)
- Kaspersky Virus Removal Tool
- Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool
- TDSSKiller
Laptop1991
Member
Just the built in Windows one and scan with malware bytes now and then, all the other ones just add bloat and slow my PC down and cost money and i haven't had a virus since the worms 20 years ago.
LaughingStock
Member
I stopped caring about anti-viruses a long time ago.
StueyDuck
Member
Anti-virus software are essentially virus' themselves (figuratively).
Unless we are talking business... stick to built in windows defender and make sure it's up to date. The best way to stay away from virus' is to just be safe with what you do. Use a VM if you have to if something seems too fishy to install
Unless we are talking business... stick to built in windows defender and make sure it's up to date. The best way to stay away from virus' is to just be safe with what you do. Use a VM if you have to if something seems too fishy to install
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lachesis
Member
Started with Nod32... then moved to Kaspersky... now just Windows Defender for past 7-8 years ago, as there was similar discussion back then.
Now my vpn comes with some AV feature and other stuff too. Not sure if I want to prolong my VPN service because I thought I would be using it to connect to other country's Netflix and see their content, but it's more of a hassle finding a working server, and also gives me a ton of warnings from Netflix, that I don't really want to use it anymore. Also some banks, and websites don't like VPN connection either.
Now my vpn comes with some AV feature and other stuff too. Not sure if I want to prolong my VPN service because I thought I would be using it to connect to other country's Netflix and see their content, but it's more of a hassle finding a working server, and also gives me a ton of warnings from Netflix, that I don't really want to use it anymore. Also some banks, and websites don't like VPN connection either.
Dr.Morris79
Member
Aces High
Gold Member
If you don't even know that hackers use crawlers that automatically attack every single machine in the www then you're an amateur at best.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
Those endpoints sit behind Firewalls, web app firewalls, IDS/IPS etc etc. they’re not just sitting exposed to the internet? Oh wow please enlighten me on crawlers and bot nets that attack any exposed ports or services, I had no clue that attackers were so sophisticated. I thought they did all this manually. I’m done talking to you because you’re clearly looking for an argument about nothing.
Aces High
Gold Member
So they're protected by dedicated software and hardware. Remember my initial argument that every system gets hacked within 5 minutes if it doesn't have dedicated software installed?
Many attacks on companies start with attacks on their workforce's private systems because these are not as well secured as company systems. It's pretty easy to hack a private machine. The hacked person then just needs to use a sync feature like browser sync to have their bookmarks at work and you have a pretty fucky situation.
You claimed that you can't get hacked as long as you don't click something. Which is bullshit and you should know that if you're a pro.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
Your argument was that if you use Defender your system is hacked. Anyway I’m out. Have a nice rest of your weekend.
crazepharmacist
Member
How do you make sure Windows defender is working? I have Windows 11. It says the firewall is on. Is that all it is? Do I have to run it or do anything manually?
Aces High
Gold Member
It's pretty simple:
If free antivirus software like Win Defender worked, companies wouldn't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on Darktrace, CrowdStrike, Bitdefender.
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FunkMiller
Member
Have found Bitdefender to be perfectly fine for me. The costs get written off on my expenses, so that isn't much of a issue.
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digital_ghost
Member
I use this
Don't use it for jacking off though, it burns like hell.
Don't use it for jacking off though, it burns like hell.
Trogdor1123
Member
I just make sure hit all those pop ups that say they can remove all the viruses for me. The internet is so helpful!
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Explain how you easily hack a private system with Windows Defender on it without victim dowloading any virus software? I believe you have watched way too many movies.
If private computers were so easily hackable as you claim, then where are all the victims? Because as you can see Windows defender is by far the most popular PC protection used.
Sounds like you are a part of some exclusive know it all cyber security community. Every other cyber security expert is obvioulsy clueless about this "you are hacked in 5 minutes" reality. /s
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