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[Ether_Snake]

Good, hopefully this continues and wages plummet enough to compete with China so all the low paying jobs come back and prosperity can finally return to the forgotten Americans that voted these people into office. I'm not even sarcastic anymore, if people want to continually vote against their own interests then by all means do it. Apparently no amount of "facts" or rational thought will persuade them so I hope all their dreams come true.

But then prosperity comes back and people's expenses rise, costs rise, and then salaries are too high and companies have to ship jobs back out again.

The only way Trump will be able to "bring jobs back" is either through handouts to companies, or making the workforce as cheap as possible, but to do the later he won't do so by financing a safety net, he'll do it by destroying unions, lowering min wage, that kind of stuff.

Making the workforce cheap is a good thing, but you're supposed to do it by lowering the workforce's own costs; education, healthcare, transport, energy, housing. Instead they'll leave that to the free market, so costs will rise, and shove the impact of that to later.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

I feel like Michigan is about to become the new Kansas in terms of enacting Republican policy on a local level to see how it works.

Can't wait for Creationism to be made part of grade school Science curriculum.

Ya'll voted for Trump Michigan. Enjoy four more years of tragically rough years for you white working class jokesters. Im in PA, im sure we will get what we deserve too.

I did not vote for Trump or the idiots who have been driving this state into the ground for the last 5 years.

 

[Amir0x]

This doesn't have much to do with Trump. This has been going on for at least 4 years. And the state governing body didn't win popular vote.

It does because this state voted to give someone even more power to hurt them in this way, and has emboldened Repulublican run states to do even more damage. That is why i said four more years of tragic pain. They voted that they enjoyed getting fucked. That is the only message that resonated post Trump.

I live in PA and didnt vote for him, but you best believe we gonna get just what we deserve for hating our country this much and encouraging monsters.

 

[Slayven]

If you are a Republican union worker and voted for union busting candidates, here's your sign.

I haven't heard that in years.

Folks are going to get hard lessons these next 4 years, will they learn from them?

 

[NoblesseOblige]

I live in PA and didnt vote for him, but you best believe we gonna get just what we deserve for hating our country this much and encouraging monsters.

I don't really follow that people 'deserve' to suffer because of border rigging elections.

Edit: Maybe I'm just taking it too personally given I'm a Michigan resident in the UAW and I and all my coworkers (at least those I associate with) voted democrat. I don't think we deserve the situation we're being placed into.

 

[Odoul]

The longer I stay live in Michigan, the less I feel I know the state. I really wish we had run someone better in 2010. Can't believe Snyder is still Governor even with the ongoing water crisis in Flint.

2010 fucked this state over with no mercy.

Democracts KEEP getting more votes statewide but Republicans gain more seats.

-Nonpartisan redistricting.

-Stripping of the appropriation making things referendum proof.

These things need to happen fucking yesterday.

These parasites in Lansing have lost their minds.

 

[Amir0x]

I don't really follow that people 'deserve' to suffer because of border rigging elections.

Edit: Maybe I'm just taking it too personally given I'm a Michigan resident in the UAW and I and all my coworkers (at least those I associate with) voted democrat. I don't think we deserve the situation we're being placed into.

I mean i think those who didnt vote Trump are in a tragic situation. But even myself, i feel partly responsible living in PA and not helping to convince enough people to stop being blithering idiots.

But i just mean in a general sense, these states shouldnt even be close given what we know of Republican scammers. We all get what we deserve for our complacency in allowing our country to get to this point and not fighting hard enough to stop it.

People always want to take half measures. Like if you even suggest we are nearing a time for action that goes beyond mere talk, people are more concerned with the idea of that then what it means to forever lose the principles of this country. Then you get ten pages of pepple pretending to be outraged, while their world burns around them.

 

[DiamondDog74]

I live in Wayne and I was surprised to find its one of the few blue areas in MI. Regardless this won't really matter once automation takes over service jobs. Maybe the robots won't be able to make Bev's 6 pump skvl Xtra hot with Xtra caramel, Xtra foam like I do

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

While this would be nice, the GOP will blame the Democrats somehow successfully. Again.

And that is why democrats need to take the kid gloves off, treat idiots like idiots, instead of trying to appeal to their lack of common sense, and then treat the GOP like the pieces of shit that they are.

 

[Fenderputty]

I feel like Michigan is about to become the new Kansas in terms of enacting Republican policy on a local level to see how it works.

About? Half the body and both feet are through the door.

 

[Amir0x]

And that is why democrats need to take the kid gloves off, treat idiots like idiots, instead of trying to appeal to their lack of common sense, and then treat the GOP like the pieces of shit that they are.

Yup. Voting Republican in this day and age means you are a genuinely bad person, and it should be equated as such.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

If anti-union bills pass in Michigan, then RIP unions everywhere.

I know I mean..... Its Michigan.

 

[Nelo Ice]

Yup. Voting Republican in this day and age means you are a genuinely bad person, and it should be equated as such.

And I can't think of a single positive thing Republicans have ever done for their voters. It needs to be driven home that the GOP are liars and don't help any of their base.

 

[Amir0x]

And I can't think of a single positive thing Republicans have ever done for their voters. It needs to be driven home that the GOP are liars and don't help any of their base.

I can. Eisenhower, national highway. Theodore Roosevelt, national parks. Just a different party entirely now.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

And most union workers voted for Trump right?

 

[Nelo Ice]

I can. Eisenhower, national highway. Theodore Roosevelt, national parks. Just a different party entirely now.

Yeah when I think Republican i think of the modern party lol. As long as I've lived it seems they're always been super villains.

 

[SolarPowered]

I can. Eisenhower, national highway. Theodore Roosevelt, national parks. Just a different party entirely now.

Don't forget Nixon with the EPA. Republicans are mess now.

 

[User Name Here]

Good, hopefully this continues and wages plummet enough to compete with China so all the low paying jobs come back and prosperity can finally return to the forgotten Americans that voted these people into office. I'm not even sarcastic anymore, if people want to continually vote against their own interests then by all means do it. Apparently no amount of "facts" or rational thought will persuade them so I hope all their dreams come true.

That's the spirit.

 

[R10Neymarfan]

Yeah when I think Republican i think of the modern party lol. As long as I've lived it seems they're always been super villains.

Don't forget Nixon with the EPA. Republicans are mess now.

Blame Reagan for legitimizing the religious right

 

[Illucio]

Well, better plan on moving. Which state isn't getting ruined anytime in the near future?

 

[Choppasmith]

Boy I sure am glad I'm here in California. As a Union Member myself, I think there's a strong enough presence that we would riot if something like that happened here. I have a decent amount of faith CA won't let it happen.

But yeah, this is going to be a long 4 years.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

I'd respect them a little more if they were just honest about what they're trying to do.

May be disingenuous in this case, but that shit happens all of the time. A month or so ago a major SEPTA union went on strike and was actively blocking non-striking/different union employees from accessing trains and work areas so even the lines that should have run had trouble running. It's also extremely common for union workers to block crucial deliveries to non-union job sites in Philly. Of course, arson and physical violence towards non union work sites and workers happens too.

 

[Zukkoyaki]

Here's hoping all of this shit will convince more of the working class that the modern Republican party doesn't just not care about them, they actively work against them. But who am I kidding, people are dumb, fickle and have short memories. Best case is they get fed up with republicans in the next 4-8 years which ushers in a blue wave like with Bush all for them to flip AGAIN after those years because their ignorance knows no bounds.

 

[PillarEN]

Fuck all of these people. There is a place in hell for every single on if them.

Yes. Yes there is. No need to even go too far.

 

[gate stormer]

I have mixed feelings about unions, but hey all of those autoworkers in Michigan HAD great jobs. A lot of them opted for a buyout for their early retirement and of course they were hired in people at much lower wages.

$35/hr to put screws in all day. Not complaining, hell I wouldn't care how monotonous it is for that much per hour.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Here's hoping all of this shit will convince more of the working class that the modern Republican party doesn't just not care about them, they actively work against them. But who am I kidding, people are dumb, fickle and have short memories. Best case is they get fed up with republicans in the next 4-8 years which ushers in a blue wave like with Bush all for them to flip AGAIN after those years because their ignorance knows no bounds.

It won't because those people will still somehow twist it around in their heads to where they convince themselves "the liberals" are still to blame no matter how illogical it is.

Yes. Yes there is. No need to even go too far.

Been there, unfortunately it's no where near big enough to fit them all. "Hell, Michigan" proper is basically that store and a bar, you blink you miss driving through it. I was there as a kid in the 90s but from what I understand it hasn't really changed.

I have mixed feelings about unions, but hey all of those autoworkers in Michigan HAD great jobs. A lot of them opted for a buyout for their early retirement and of course they were hired in people at much lower wages.

$35/hr to put screws in all day. Not complaining, hell I wouldn't care how monotonous it is for that much per hour.

Put on screws? My uncle got paid something like that for what basically amounted to pressing a button. He took one of those early retirement buyouts in the 90s.

 

[neorej]

Congratulations working class, you played yourself.

 

[Chirotera]

Ya'll voted for Trump Michigan. Enjoy four more years of tragically rough years for you white working class jokesters. Im in PA, im sure we will get what we deserve too.

For fuck's sake stop this line of thinking. I didn't vote for Trump. Most of the people I know didn't vote for Trump. He won this state by a thin, thin, margin.

A lot of this is on Snyder, though, another horrible horrible fuck of a person that I also didn't vote for (and actively persuaded people against).

We're stuck with it though, so stop blaming all of us when it was just a few of us, and due to gerrymandering, was actually a majority of us.

 

[Ooccoo]

It won't because those people will still somehow twist it around in their heads to where they convince themselves "the liberals" are still to blame no matter how illogical it is.




Been there, unfortunately it's no where near big enough to fit them all. "Hell, Michigan" proper is basically that store and a bar, you blink you miss driving through it. I was there as a kid in the 90s but from what I understand it hasn't really changed.



Put on screws? My uncle got paid something like that for what basically amounted to pressing a button. He took one of those early retirement buyouts in the 90s.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

Class warfare. For real, not the bullshit persecution complex that the GOP peddles.

This is what it has always been about. And we are losing...seeing it all crumble away before our eyes...the things that made the middle class exist in America in the first place.

We are fucked.

 

[Aaron Strife]

This is what it has always been about. And we are losing...seeing it all crumble away before our eyes...the things that made the middle class exist in America in the first place.

We are fucked.

Among whites? Sure, it's class.

Among everyone else it's always been race. Tim Scott's been pulled over twice for bullshit reasons and the dude's a Republican senator.

 

[exmachina64]

I haven't heard that in years.

Folks are going to get hard lessons these next 4 years, will they learn from them?

Let me think about that....no.

Among whites? Sure, it's class.

Among everyone else it's always been race. Tim Scott's been pulled over twice for bullshit reasons and the dude's a Republican senator.

I guess he still hasn't learned.

 

[Crosseyes]

Must we really go back to the days where union strikes invited massacres by the state? When killing becomes a necessary and justified step in establishing the rights of workers?

Is that what it will take to relearn those lessons again?

 

[That1BlackGuy]

It's absolutely hilarious how Republicans (and some Democrats for that matter) hate poor people, like Republicans don't even hide it. In a disappearing middle class, workers want better compensation and working conditions, oh the horror!

Class warfare. For real, not the bullshit persecution complex that the GOP peddles.

Word.

 

[Eidan]

The electoral failures of the DWS-era Democratic party may be the most pathetic and unreported story in modern American history.


All-in on the presidency, fuck everything else. Concede the governorships, concede the state legislatures. Concede the Congress. All that matters is the White House. Nothing else matters.


..What do you mean our candidate (one we chose 8 years ago) is fundamentally flawed and historically unpopular. You must be a racist bigot!

How much control do you think the DNC has? What do you think the organization is responsible for?

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

Are you also subject to fines if you're protesting as a non-union organization?


I wonder what Michael Moore has to say to this.

 

[WedgeX]

Are you also subject to fines if you're protesting as a non-union organization?


I wonder what Michael Moore has to say to this.

Well, here's the original law:

It shall be unlawful
(1) for any person or persons to hinder or prevent by masspicketing, unlawful threats or force the pursuit of any lawful work or employment,
(2) to obstruct or interfere with entrance to or egress from any place of employment,
(3) to obstruct or interfere with free and uninterrupted use of public roads, streets, highways, railways, airports, or other ways of travel or conveyance, or
(4) to engage in picketing a private residence by any means or methods whatever:
Provided, That picketing, to the extent that the same is authorized under constitutional provisions, shall in no manner be prohibited. Violation of this section shall be a misdemeanor and punishable as such.

And the new law awaiting Michigan's Senate:

Sec. 9f. (1) A person shall not do any of the following:
(a) Hinder or prevent by mass picketing, unlawful threats, or force, the pursuit of any lawful work or employment.
(b) Obstruct or interfere with entrance to or egress from any place of employment by mass picketing.
(c) Obstruct or interfere with free and uninterrupted use of public roads, streets, highways, railways, airports, or other ways of travel or conveyance by mass picketing.
(d) Engage in picketing a private residence by any means or methods whatever.
(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to picketing that is authorized under the constitution of the United States or the state constitution of 1963.
(3) An employer or other person that is the subject of an activity prohibited under subsection (1) may bring an action to enjoin the prohibited activity in the circuit court for the county in which the affected person is located. A court having jurisdiction of an action brought under this subsection shall grant injunctive relief if the court finds that any person has engaged or is engaging in any of the conduct prohibited under subsection (1), without regard to the existence of other remedies, demonstration of irreparable harm, or other factors. The court shall award court costs and reasonable attorney fees to a plaintiff who prevails in an action brought under this subsection.
(4) Failure to comply with an order of the court issued under this section may be punished as contempt.
(5) A person who violates subsection (1) and has previously been enjoined for a violation of subsection (1) is subject to a civil fine of $1,000.00 for each day of the violation. If a union or organization continues to sponsor or assist in the prohibited activity in violation of an injunction, the union or organization is subject to a civil fine of $10,000.00 for each day of the violation. The civil fine assessed under this subsection shall be paid to the court, and upon a showing of damages to business sales, business opportunities, or property, the employer, union, organization, or other entity that was the subject of the activity prohibited under subsection (1) shall be compensated from the payment made to the court.
(6) An employer that is the subject of picketing may obtain injunctive relief against the picketers without a showing of irreparable harm if the court finds the picketing violates subsection (1).

Reading it further there are some extremely worrying provisions. With a better US Supreme Court they would certainly be struck down. But now...

 

[Horns]

All those union workers that supported the GOP and Trump will get what they deserve. I feel bad for the people who voted in their best interest though. They're going to get screwed.

 

[WedgeX]

All those union workers that supported the GOP and Trump will get what they deserve. I feel bad for the people who voted in their best interest though. They're going to get screwed.

Just going to bring back this chart:

And this quote:

Nationally, Clinton outperformed Trump among union households by just 8 percent, the smallest Democratic advantage since Walter Mondale’s failed campaign against Ronald Reagan in 1984. For a more recent perspective, President Barack Obama won union households by 18 percent in 2012.

Clinton’s poor performance among union households appeared to especially damage her in crucial Midwestern states. Obama won Ohio in 2012, besting Romney in those households by 23 percentage points. Clinton actually lost Ohio’s union households to Trump by 9 points, according to exit polls. The state went to Trump.

Michigan would have been an easy victory any other year — Democrats had won the state since 1992 — but it’s currently still too close to call. Exit polls show Clinton holds only a 13 percent advantage among union households there. Obama beat Romney in union households by a whopping 33 percent in 2012. A similar scenario played out in Wisconsin this year, another state that went to Trump.

Sure, a little is about union workers voting against their interests. But, as can be seen right here on GAF, some people are jealous of others being well compensated for labor and so are happy to see unions fall.

 

[SwiftDeath]

I'd respect them a little more if they were just honest about what they're trying to do.

Well they did just call the Office of the Michigan Attorney General a business so progress?

 

[GrizzleBoy]

Economically anxious.

Voted republican.


That's not anxiety, that's stupidity..

 

[jet1911]

What are you turning into America?

 

[CornBurrito]

I was just thinking that workers in the US are too powerful these days. Profits and productivity are at their highest, but wages have stayed nearly stagnant. We need to do away with that and make wages lower if possible.

 

[CornBurrito]

Without unions we wouldn't have such a fair wealth distribution like this:

[1]

Pls weaken unions more, both legally and culturally.

[1]http://www.pavlina-tcherneva.net/

 

[Muppet of a Man]

Without unions we wouldn't have such a fair wealth distribution like this:

[1]

Pls weaken unions more, both legally and culturally.

[1]http://www.pavlina-tcherneva.net/

Man, that chart is a nightmare. I can't believe how much the religious right have fucked over the working and middle classes of this country. They should be considered treasonous in doing so.

 

[CornBurrito]

Man, that chart is a nightmare. I can't believe how much the religious right had fucked over the working and middle classes of this country. They should be considered treasonous in doing so.

The lie of trickle down economic theory is going to ravage this nation. It isn't sustainable.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

The lie of trickle down economic theory is going to ravage this nation. It isn't sustainable.

So you're saying that the way to give each citizen a fair chance at life is to NOT give all the money to the wealthiest people and hope they chuck a little out of their penthouse windows?

I don't know man, something about that just doesn't add up.

 

[Giant Panda]

Why is picketing a misdemeanor? Isnt that just a peaceful form of protest? Unless that includes forcibly trying to keep people out of the business, that's closer to assault, then I agree with punishing that.

 

[Slo]

Why is picketing a misdemeanor? Isnt that just a peaceful form of protest? Unless that includes forcibly trying to keep people out of the business, that's closer to assault, then I agree with punishing that.

How about passively trying to keep people out of a business by using your body as a barricade?