Anyone else hate buying a new TV or monitor? (I hate reviews)

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mik83kuu

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So I was in the market for a new big TV to watch movies and play games on. The budget wasn't anything to be proud of, but while I was searching and reading up on TVs on the Internet, I quickly learned that you fucking can't get a perfect TV in this day and age even if you have lots of money to spend. And don't get me wrong, by 'perfect' I don't mean a TV that is 10/10 on every aspect, I mean a TV that is consistent all around.

It's always one TV that has shit black levels, but awesome colors, and another that has superior black levels but some annoying bug where the colors are banding or some some other shit. Sure there are five-star-winning TVs out there for 3000-4000 dollars or just TVs that aren't sold where I live. But most of the time even those TVs have something wrong with them.

I decided I was going to just fuck it all and I bought a TV without reading any reviews about it. I'll judge it when I see it and that way even if the reviews smash it's colors, black levels, or any other shit, at least I won't be placebo'd into it.

TL;DR: Fuck TV and monitor reviews and the people reviewing them with fucking sci-fi equipment and professional grade microscopes. Fuck TV manufacturers for not making awesome TVs for around 1000-2000$ that don't have some stupid bug or flaw.

The day my TV arrives, I fucking bet you all it's not going to have terrible motion processing, bad black levels or saturated colors because my mortal eyes don't give a damn
 
I don't know what a $1000-$2000 TV would be like in Finland but if it's anything like Australia you can find amazing TV's for that price. There are a lot of picky people on the internet. You'll never, ever find one item that everyone agrees is amazing. You find out what a quality brand is and pick one of those TV's.
 
A lot of it just comes down to knowing what your eyes value and finding the best display for that in your budget. It takes a lot of research but after a while you can just start to ignore certain parts of reviews that talk about things you don't care about.
 
Buying many electronics is a complete joke.

I remember when looking at sound receivers with my dad for a surround sound system. Holy fuck that was a pain. JUST GIVE ME SOMETHING THAT WORKS! I don't care whether or not the system has 0.9% higher hz. The reviews didn't help either.

A company like Apple (based around simplicity) should create everything. That would make my life much easier (although in reality that would suck).
 
I have never been able to detect fault usually reviewers and online gamers point out. I won't even talk about PC gamers and graphic obsessive people. Buy a tv from standard company that looks good and has some good standard features and is under your budget you will be happy regardless.
 
$2000 should get you a hell of a nice TV... not sure where you live but it would in the US at least. I can't really stand internet reviews, the last two times I bought a TV (once for myself and once for my parents when I was visiting them) I just went to the store and looked at all the displays playing whatever shit they stream to them. After finding a couple in my price range I do product searches on Amazon, Newegg, etc just to make sure there's not a bevy of negative user ratings. I buy it, bring it home, play with it for a day, and if it's shit I return it (I've never needed to return them though). It's been a few years now but I got hell-a-good deals on my Samsung LCD for my apartment and an LG LCD for my parent's office.
 
I enjoy buying electronics, it's entertaining to do research and piece together the state of any given market, and at the end of the day more often than not I end up with something that's a best fit for my value proposition. It's not like this stuff is rocket science.

I treat it as an opportunity to learn something.
 
I think I just hate it when I'm looking for something that will work for multiple electronic devices, like computer (gaming), consoles, old consoles, with a good resolution/size, while having all the inputs, etc, couldn't really find a "perfect" one, and to add to that all the issues, the quality, etc, like you mentioned.

Reading reviews is really time consuming too, especially when it's 2 groups of people saying complete polar opposite things because they either hate it or have the tv so they're defending it :lol
 
I have a very love/hate relationship with reviews. It gets even worse when you go into like an AVS forums place.

They will make you hate whatever TV you buy, no matter how much you pay for it.

However, they also can steer you in the right direction. You always have to go into those places with the approach that the people who nitpick/complain/review these things are a little eccentric.
 
You just have know which specs to look for and which specs to ignore. I don't even trust the display sets because majority of them aren't even calibrated properly.
 
Davidion said:
I enjoy buying electronics, it's entertaining to do research and piece together the state of any given market, and at the end of the day more often than not I end up with something that's a best fit for my value proposition. It's not like this stuff is rocket science.

I treat it as an opportunity to learn something.
I agree that you learn a lot after doing so much research before buying.

It's cool knowing the market. Ready for your next purchase (unless if you wait a long time and the market changes a lot).
 
Enco said:
I agree that you learn a lot after doing so much research before buying.

It's cool knowing the market. Ready for your next purchase (unless if you wait a long time and the market changes a lot).

I'm of the firm belief that being a more educated consumer when rolled up into the aggregate creates a better market and better products/services for everyone.

My thoughts on consumer psychology from the actual consumer perspective is this: Market forces are, as a rule, always incentivized to push for a expedient, often flash-in-the-pan emotional response from consumers when they make their purchasing decisions; making any kind of buying decision is very much a standard business transaction, so why wouldn't you educate yourself as much as possible if you were interested in getting the most out of your money?

At the end of the day it's up to everyone to find their own comfort zone when it comes to making purchasing decisions, but doing your work pays off.
 
mik83kuu said:
So I was in the market for a new big TV to watch movies and play games on. The budget wasn't anything to be proud of, but while I was searching and reading up on TVs on the Internet, I quickly learned that you fucking can't get a perfect TV in this day and age even if you have lots of money to spend. And don't get me wrong, by 'perfect' I don't mean a TV that is 10/10 on every aspect, I mean a TV that is consistent all around.

It's always one TV that has shit black levels, but awesome colors, and another that has superior black levels but some annoying bug where the colors are banding or some some other shit. Sure there are five-star-winning TVs out there for 3000-4000 dollars or just TVs that aren't sold where I live. But most of the time even those TVs have something wrong with them.

I decided I was going to just fuck it all and I bought a TV without reading any reviews about it. I'll judge it when I see it and that way even if the reviews smash it's colors, black levels, or any other shit, at least I won't be placebo'd into it.

TL;DR: Fuck TV and monitor reviews and the people reviewing them with fucking sci-fi equipment and professional grade microscopes. Fuck TV manufacturers for not making awesome TVs for around 1000-2000$ that don't have some stupid bug or flaw.

The day my TV arrives, I fucking bet you all it's not going to have terrible motion processing, bad black levels or saturated colors because my mortal eyes don't give a damn

If it makes you feel any better, if you chose LCD, you chose wrong.
 
TV reviews and monitor reviews are awful. They never go over the issues that matter for gaming, like input lag.

Let's take CNet's review of the Samsung PX2370 for example:

The good: The Samsung PX2370 performs better than the XL2370; it has additional and useful onscreen display options; it is reasonably priced.

The bad:
The Samsung PX2370 lacks ergonomic features, has a dimmer maximum brightness level than the XL2370, and has a less intuitive onscreen display.

The bottom line: With more features and a better movie performance rating, the Samsung PX2370 improves--in most areas--on one of the best monitors we've reviewed.

Review:

Thanks to its angular look, the Samsung PX2370 isn't quite as sexy as the XL2370 is. Samsung didn't think out the PX2370's onscreen display placement well; its OSD is inferior to the XL2370's display and makes navigating the menu a less fluid experience. Also, Samsung gave the PX2370 a lower maximum brightness level than it gave its XL2370 display. However, Samsung provided the PX2370 with two key improvements over the XL2370: better movie playback performance and a plethora of useful OSD options.

The PX2370 displays colors more accurately during movie playback than ... Expand full review

Thanks to its angular look, the Samsung PX2370 isn't quite as sexy as the XL2370 is. Samsung didn't think out the PX2370's onscreen display placement well; its OSD is inferior to the XL2370's display and makes navigating the menu a less fluid experience. Also, Samsung gave the PX2370 a lower maximum brightness level than it gave its XL2370 display. However, Samsung provided the PX2370 with two key improvements over the XL2370: better movie playback performance and a plethora of useful OSD options.

The PX2370 displays colors more accurately during movie playback than the XL2370 does, and it has an onscreen display with more-useful features--including one feature we've never seen on a monitor. At only $309--which is $9 more than the XL2370--the PX2370, with its abundance of features and improved movie playback performance, edges out its predecessor in value.

Design and features
The 23-inch PX2370 is Samsung's follow-up to the successful SyncMaster XL2370 that it released in 2009. The PX2370 has a more angular look than the XL2370 has, with sharper corners and more-clearly defined edges, as opposed to the XL2370's smoother, rounded corners. The PX2370's panel measures 0.75 inch deep, which is slightly thicker than the XL2370's considerably thin 0.6-inch panel depth. The PX2370's bezel measures 0.9 inch, which is shorter than the XL2370's 1.1-inch bezel and, like the XL2370, it has a plastic transparent overlay that covers its outer edge. The PX2370's full width is 21.9 inches, which about 0.5 inch shorter than the XL2370 is.

The PX2370's screen has a matte finish, and its neck, which shares a similar design with the XL2370, is one of the most aesthetically unique designs we've ever seen. The neck is made of transparent glass; however, the PX2370 doesn't include the bluish crystals found at the bottom of the neck like the XL2370 does, making the PX2370's neck look rather plain. The display's power button is at the bottom center of the bezel; it's a 1.7-inch-wide half circle with a white LED light that illuminates when the display is powered on. The circular foot stand is 9.1 inches in diameter. It wobbles considerably when knocked from the sides, but we feel it's less likely to topple over than the XL2370, in part because it weighs 8.76 pounds, which is about 2 pounds heavier than the XL2370.

The bottom of the display's bezel is 3.8 inches from the desktop, about an inch and a half higher than the XL2370. Like the XL2370, the screen height isn't adjustable and there isn't a screen rotation or pivot option for portrait mode. The capability to tilt the screen back 15 degrees is the only included ergonomic feature.

With the PX2370, Samsung includes the same connection options that it did on the XL2370, including DVI-D, HDMI, and analog and digital audio out. All of the display's connections sit on the back of the display, in the lower midsection of the panel. The ports face backward, instead of down, as on most monitors. Unlike with the XL2370, Samsung didn't recess the PX2370's connections into the monitor, making them easy easier to access.

The XL2370 included an OSD array in the lower right-hand side of the bezel, but Samsung takes a different approach with the PX2370. The buttons on the PX2370 are aligned vertically along the back left of the monitor, so they are invisible from the front. This makes navigating the OSD not as fluid or intuitive as it was on the XL2370. It would be more helpful having the buttons on the front, so it's more clear which button you're pressing.

The OSD button array consists of a Menu button, an Up and Down button, an Enter button, and an Auto button. The Up and Down buttons also double as a brightness and a customizable shortcut button, respectively. Its picture options consist of brightness, contrast, and sharpness. You can also set the color tone to Cool, Normal, Warm or Custom, which lets you change the red, green, and blue attributes individually. There are four presets: Custom, Standard, Game, Cinema, and Dynamic Contrast. Each preset changes the color temperature or brightness of the display to be appropriate to the task you're performing.

Samsung gives the PX2370 several "magic" features it didn't give the XL2370. First up is Magic Lux, the name the company gave to the PX2370's ambient light sensor. Based on the amount of ambient light in the room, the PX2370 will automatically adjust the brightness to an "optimal" level. You can choose from three light sensitivity levels: Low, Middle, and High. Once switched on, the monitor's brightness will immediately lower to compensate for the light (or lack of light) in the room; however, when switching from a brightly lit room to a completely dark room, we only noticed a very subtle change in brightness. The change was so subtle, in fact, that we had to use our color meter to determine that the display's brightness changed at all. This is a useful feature if you're looking to limit strain on your eyes.

Next is Magic Eco, a power saving feature that lets you set the brightness level to 100, 75, or 50 percent.

In a multimonitor setup, Magic Return shifts all windows and your Windows toolbar from the secondary monitor to the primary monitor when power to the secondary monitor is lost or is simply turned off. However, the feature does not shift the focus from the primary to the secondary if the primary is shut down. Using Windows Vista, we found that after shifting the focus, if we maximized a window, that window would cover the toolbar as well, until we dragged the toolbar around a bit. Also when using it, sometimes windows we expected to open on the primary monitor opened instead on the secondary monitor. It's not a huge concern, but we hope this gets some refinement in future iterations.

Though moving the OSD buttons to the back of the chassis allows the front to retain its unspoiled allure, we lose some of the functional elegance the XL2370 had. Though the PX2370's buttons line up perfectly to their respective menu functions, the fact that we can't see buttons, for all intents and purposes, makes navigating through the menu less intuitive than we'd like. Our preference would be for the buttons to appear on the front like Dell's intuitively designed OSD, seen in the U2710.

There's also an option in the OSD to set the refresh rate of the monitor from Slow to Fast to Faster. However, when we adjusted this setting, we didn't notice any performance difference.

The Samsung PX2370 display has a 16:9 aspect ratio and supports a "Full HD" 1,920x1,080-pixel native resolution. This continues the trend of monitor vendors moving toward a 16:9 aspect ratio from a 16:10 ratio because high-definition content--in particular 1080p movies--can fit onto a 1,920x1,080-pixel screen in full-screen mode without stretching the image.

Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/samsung-px2370/4505-3174_7-34048108.html#ixzz1XHOhrQSF

I mean, what kind of pointless review is this? There isn't even a paragraph worth of info on the picture quality of the damned thing. And let me tell you: this monitor is a piece of shit. It's garbage. Abysmal black levels, terrible backlight bleed, some of the most inaccurate colors I've seen out of a TN panel (and that's saying something).
 
J Tourettes said:
If it makes you feel any better, if you chose LCD, you chose wrong.

Crunched said:
I still recommend 9th gen Kuros. What did you end up getting, OP?

A 55" 3D LED TV. I'll post make, model and a review once I get it. I don't want anyone googling reviews and posting that shit on my thread :-D

PS. At least it's a respectable manufacturer whose other, even more expensive models, are very well regarded.

I know all about plasma -VS- LCD, but unfortunately plasma was not an option this time around.
 
I can generally get a feel for what the best bang for my money is by perusing for a little bit everything from tech site reviews to user reviews. However, there is one thing I struggle with: trying to figure out how much more I might be willing to spend to get a little more out of my purchase. "But look at that one that costs $X more... can I justify it? Is it worth it?" That's always my thing.
 
just look at what you are interested in and choose. The reason why the reviews are stupid is because a large majority of these sets are the same guts with different settings. Most of the description given are buzz words. I feel your pain. Where i do disagree with you is with monitors, you can find a damn solid all around monitor and it WILL cost you money but it can be purchased. I agree with you on teh tv's though, seems to me Panasonic has a pretty solid track record with their plasma's though.
 
Clydefrog said:

Would be my last choice for anything TV or monitor related. All they're good for is having eye popping color in BestBuy displays. For actual use, they're awful. Input lag galore, inaccurate colors, terrible IR with their plasmas, backlight bleed with their monitors. Samsung is a name many people mistakenly associate to quality.
 
i lost interest in plasmas and LED tv's.

I'm going projector next time around.

Nothing beats a 100+ inch screens. Nothing.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
Agreed.
(Looks at my old HDTV in the corner that I havent sold in 5 months.)

I always just sell them for dirt-cheap (last one was a 42" LCD I sold for $100 about two or so years ago) to a coworker on the condition that they come get it. Stuff's out of my house and they get a great deal - everyone's happy.
 
I have to agree with OP, I spent a lot of time reading reviews about several LCDs, and decided to get one some time ago. The best tv that I could find was a panasonic L32U3X, but as soon as I got home I was so dissapointed with the awful black levels, it had little lag but the blacks were so bad they looked blue!, not even gray, just dark blue.

So I sold the TV in about 2 months, I couldnt stand uncharted with those shitty blacks, then I got a samsung LED 32C4000, and the blacks were clearly better but..

The colors were a bit unaccurate, and the tv has way too much lag and ghosting/blur.

I still have my led samsung, and I want a plasma but i'm hesitant since they still suffer from greening and awful pixel burning, which is not good if you only use your HDTV to play videogames.


Thats why I love those old widescreen HD crt's. , the bad thing is that they are too hard to calibrate if they show bad geometry, or unaligned colors.


TheExodu5 said:
Would be my last choice for anything TV or monitor related. All they're good for is having eye popping color in BestBuy displays. For actual use, they're awful. Input lag galore, inaccurate colors, terrible IR with their plasmas, backlight bleed with their monitors. Samsung is a name many people mistakenly associate to quality.


What are your suggestions?.
 
I agree with the OP completely, I love the idea of buying a new tv but whenever I get around to actually doing it I always feel like, based on online reviews, that I'm getting a shitty tv unless I spend 4k+
 
Not to take my own thread and derail it, but could you guys recommend me some awesome Blu-Ray movies to watch when the TV arrives? The actual movie isn't the point, I just want to see how good/bad it looks and perhaps some help to calibrate it.
 
What I hate most is how all the self-proclaimed "experts" are *no* help at all. They´ll tell you how that tv is bad here, that tv is bad there and another tv is bad in that area. And once you make your choice and get the tv you find out "hey, wait what?! that isn´t nearly as bad as this expert told me. actually, it´s damn fine!"

The snobbish, elitist attitude of "experts" really hurts their value for the real world-expectations of a good tv.
 
god yes, need to buy a few tv's soon and the amount of models each manufacturer has, the stupid product names and consumer review's drives me nuts.
 
It's simple really. Just buy whatever latest plasma Panasonic makes in the size that you can afford. You can get a 50" GT30 right now for $1200 or so if you find it on sale. You are crazy if you spend more than that nowadays for a TV, as nothing more expensive will be notably better than that TV.
 
Sennorin said:
What I hate most is how all the self-proclaimed "experts" are *no* help at all. They´ll tell you how that tv is bad here, that tv is bad there and another tv is bad in that area. And once you make your choice and get the tv you find out "hey, wait what?! that isn´t nearly as bad as this expert told me. actually, it´s damn fine!"

The snobbish, elitist attitude of "experts" really hurts their value for the real world-expectations of a good tv.

That's to be expected with any technology.

In engineering, there are always tradeoffs that have to be made. Tradeoffs for power consumption, form factor, cost, durability, etc. Depending on people's individual value judgments on what is important in a TV, they will have differing notions on what a good one is. There are things that can be objectively measured to be better or worse, but rarely will you get something that is better in almost all aspects, so there is going to be some difference of opinion in which aspects to weight more heavily.

The reviewer has to give an accurate picture of the tradeoffs that were made in the engineering of the device. You wouldn't really expect a car review to omit things like 'good fuel economy, but the car is sluggish under 4000 rpm due to lack of torque', because it shows the tradeoffs made in the design and engineering of the car, and lets the buyer make an educated decision. If you drive like a grandma and don't notice the lack of torque, or don't notice the poor black level cause you are watching in full sunlight, it's not the reviewers fault for pointing those things out.
 
Most of the shit that people complain about a TV the majority do not notice. I have never heard someone complain about input lag, black levels, accurate colors or other shit in real life. People just deal with it and are oblivious to avsforum's of the world. If I listened to those guys I'd never find a TV because they nit pick something to death and make a great TV sound like utter garbage.
 
i'm starting to look for a new TV and feel the OPs pain. Back and forth between plasma and LCD, which brand, etc. It gets to a point where you just need to pull the trigger and stop researching.

I'm not at that point, i'm still lost, all avsforum does is confuse me more
 
My TV buying process works something like this:

1) Find a movie/game/whatever that looks awesome on the current TV.
2) Find a movie/game/whatever that looks terrible on the current TV (that isn't the fault of the movie, like a bad transfer or something).
3) Load 1) and 2) on my laptop and bring an HDMI cable to the store.
4) Connect the laptop to the display model and compare.

5) Make a decision based on how 1) and 2) look on displays in your price range.
 
Yeah. It gives me headaches too.

I just buy whatever I want to buy, I probably won't notice the shit black levels or input lags or whatever.
 
iamblades said:
That's to be expected with any technology.

In engineering, there are always tradeoffs that have to be made. Tradeoffs for power consumption, form factor, cost, durability, etc. Depending on people's individual value judgments on what is important in a TV, they will have differing notions on what a good one is. There are things that can be objectively measured to be better or worse, but rarely will you get something that is better in almost all aspects, so there is going to be some difference of opinion in which aspects to weight more heavily.

The reviewer has to give an accurate picture of the tradeoffs that were made in the engineering of the device. You wouldn't really expect a car review to omit things like 'good fuel economy, but the car is sluggish under 4000 rpm due to lack of torque', because it shows the tradeoffs made in the design and engineering of the car, and lets the buyer make an educated decision. If you drive like a grandma and don't notice the lack of torque, or don't notice the poor black level cause you are watching in full sunlight, it's not the reviewers fault for pointing those things out.

But *who* is the reviewer reviewing for, then? Obviously not for the majority of people which would be fine with most tv devices. The problem is, I´ve never seen a "casual reviewer", someone who´s there to help people that don´t care about the blackest of black levels, etc.. From my experience of buying a tv, there´s a vast empty valley of buying advice between nerds and casuals. The nerds get what they need from expert reviews, while the casuals will either not give a shit about any review and just buy what they see in their local market, what´s cheap or simply ask the guy that works in the market. However, there´s a lack of advice for those that want to inform themselves, but don´t care about the most detailed technical differences and only want the best picture for their buck.
 
Sennorin said:
But *who* is the reviewer reviewing for, then? Obviously not for the majority of people which would be fine with most tv devices. The problem is, I´ve never seen a "casual reviewer", someone who´s there to help people that don´t care about the blackest of black levels, etc.. From my experience of buying a tv, there´s a vast empty valley of buying advice between nerds and casuals. The nerds get what they need from expert reviews, while the casuals will either not give a shit about any review and just buy what they see in their local market, what´s cheap or simply ask the guy that works in the market. However, there´s a lack of advice for those that want to inform themselves, but don´t care about the most detailed technical differences and only want the best picture for their buck.

Presumably reviewers write for people who care enough about those things to actually seek out reviews.

You could say there is a missing segment between the 'this TV is really thin and looks cool' type reviews, and the ones that give in depth color accuracy and black level stats. As I've said before though, how you weight the various aspects of engineering and design tradeoffs is a very subjective matter, so the only way to write an objective review of something is to just mention all the compromises and tradeoffs that were made in the design of the product, as the reviewer can't know what will be important to the reader.

I understand how someone in the average consumer range can read a review and think 'this thing must be important because the reviewer is mentioning it', when it's really 'this thing is really important to the small niche of enthusiasts who make up a good percentage of that reviewers readership'.
 
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