Anyone else sick of the current electronic sound in music?

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Brian_FETO said:
Bring Me The Horizon is worthless, along with the rest of the metalcore gang desperately trying to stay relevant by changing their look and sound. My opinion of course, glad people dig it
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OP saying electronic music isn't hard to make and then saying BMTH, Blink and Sum 41 are bands he likes cemented my opinion that he doesn't really know what he's talking about when it comes to writing/playing/composing music.
 
Synth obsession gave us DFA records. It can only be a good thing. As long as Liars and Death Grips are around to push the envelope I'm still excited about new and dynamic synth uses.
 
stuminus3 said:
Do you guys ever think "we could have had this exact same conversation in 1979" and go like whoa that's crazy.
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I'd be too busy enjoying endless amounts of cheap, high-quality cocaine to give a shit about music.
 
Like so often, the indie/underground stuff is where it's at.
That said, I think that the radio music, while not great, is still better than it was 10 years ago. I'd rather listen to Sia than Nickelback.
 
Just gotta dive a little deeper man. Yeah top 40 stuff nowadays is synth-heavy (and not very good synth IMO), but there is more music out there than literally ever before. Look around, find a weird song from a trailer and look up other stuff that band or musician has done.

I buy a new album practically bi-weekly. There is a bottomless well of music, the top 40 synth-pop stuff is like less than 1% of it. That, and the internet makes it so much easier to discover new music, including obscure, old, or niche stuff.
 
Wait, OP doesn't like electro music but listens to Bring Me The Horizon who have a synth/whatever is doing electro sounds?
 
HigherLevel said:
Maybe I'm a bit biased in what I like because I play guitar
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I dunno, let's ask a world-famous guitarist, John Frusciante:

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Nah.
 
Does it matter if a piano melody you like is played by a guy on a midi keyboard, a guy on a real piano or a guy who programs each note by hand? What if you switch that piano with a synth that someone has painstakingly spent hours trying to get to sound exactly how they want? What if you switch that synth for a sampler and change it to an orchestral piece? Either you like a song or not. You might prefer the sound of one over the other, but the same creative process is going on regardless.

You said it's impressive to watch an orchestra, but what about the person who put that entire arrangement together on pieces of paper or even nowadays on a computer using the same software electronic producers use? Is that composer less talented than the virtuoso musicians? Is Hans Zimmer less talented than your college brass band because he puts everything together in Cubase and claims the "computer is my instrument"?

You've almost certainly heard music you like that was produced by one guy in a DAW (digital audio workstation) without even realising it, such as this producer I follow on YouTube who ended up making a piece for the MGSV (and Terminator Genysis) soundtracks using Ableton Live.
 
Punk is better than ever (PEARS, Direct Hit!, Strung Out, The Flatliners, A Wilhelm Scream) and there's tons of great new metal that isn't tween-pandering electro-garbage. Lots of underground, dude on laptop-free stuff to enjoy if you do some digging!
 
Another, I'm mad because what I like isn't popular thread. I don't get threads like these. You can literally find any type of music you want nowdays but you're mad because it isnt popular? Why does it have to be popular?
 
Never heard Bring Me The Horizon, so I listened to their most played song on Spotify, "Throne". It starts with a keyboard and features a ton of electronic elements (keys, synths, vocals) so I have no idea what you are talking about now.

Sorry OP
 
I thought Bring Me the Horizon's whole thing was meant to be a cross between metalcore and contemporary pop/EDM/dubstep? Might be wrong, I'll profess to not being especially knowledgeable of them.
 
I'm sick of the tropical house wave that overtook pop music just as I was sick of the EDM wave that took hold of it a year or two before.

Tropical house ain't too bad, but it's nauseating to hear so many tropical pop songs one after the other. I work retail and every day I come in to work, it's the same old tropical sounding melodies with some light drums and an indie vocalist and it makes me so angry.
 
Funny, 20 years ago I would've joined this discussion with emotion and passion switching sides like my underwear.
That doesn't mean I'm old and emotionless, just having a totally different perspective.
As someone who's been playing guitar for over 20 years and working with electronic stuff since my late teens, I've just one thing to say: keep the "skill" talk out of music.
We - Djs, producers, math-metal guitarists, drum gurus...-all look like talentless fools compared to what those guys came up with more than 200 years ago and that's pretty telling.
 
HigherLevel said:
I also hate that there isn't really the same skill level involved in making electronic music compared to playing real instruments. It's incredibly impressive to watch old rockstars shred on their guitars or even on a totally different end of the spectrum listen to a huge orchestra perform.
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Just stop, OP. You have no idea how much time and effort music production takes. As someone who played classical guitar for a good chunk of their life and moved to electronic production later on I'd argue that production takes just as much (if not more) skill, knowledge, and effort than playing a guitar, there just isn't as much flare involved. It's definitely a more all encompassing task that requires leagues more technical know-how to get a decent product.

Also, if anything it's become easier than ever to find the kind of music you're looking for. You have more avenues to discover music than any time in history, along with more variety. Also, raw sounding punk, rock, and metal has become a huge trend lately, in part due to the whole resurgence in vinyl and cassette and modern fascination with analogue. You're getting old, OP.
 
If everything sounds the same, then you're probably discovering your new music in an echo chamber of the same voices and opinions. Don't Bring me the Horizon - Broaden it.
 
does anyone itt have a recommendation for an affordable, entry level synth? i wanna start working some synth parts into my songs (I'm primarily a guitarist) but shopping for this stuff is a little outside my wheelhouse.

maybe a little off-topic, but this seems more productive than arguing with a dude who's bemoaning a lack of technical skill in electronic music while bumping bring me the horizon.
 
ElectronicOldMen said:
I thought Bring Me the Horizon's whole thing was meant to be a cross between metalcore and contemporary pop/EDM/dubstep? Might be wrong, I'll profess to not being especially knowledgeable of them.
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They started off as a deathcore band (when deathcore was 'in' and 'the new thing') and now they're a weak metalcore band with synths (now that weak metalcore with synths is 'in' and kinda 'the new thing'.

Notice a trend there?
 
I kinda feel you OP. I like a lot of electronic music, but plenty of electronic stuff sounds sort of "cold" to me, for lack of a better word, in contrast with the way that lo-fi acoustic stuff sounds "warm."
 
anarchy_panty said:
does anyone itt have a recommendation for an affordable, entry level synth? i wanna start working some synth parts into my songs (I'm primarily a guitarist) but shopping for this stuff is a little outside my wheelhouse.

maybe a little off-topic, but this seems more productive than arguing with a dude who's bemoaning a lack of technical skill in electronic music while bumping bring me the horizon.
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Get one of those virtual analog synths (with potis, sliders) like the Roland JD-Xi or the microKorg.
They're easy to use and great for starting to learn about Synths.
 
anarchy_panty said:
does anyone itt have a recommendation for an affordable, entry level synth? i wanna start working some synth parts into my songs (I'm primarily a guitarist) but shopping for this stuff is a little outside my wheelhouse.

maybe a little off-topic, but this seems more productive than arguing with a dude who's bemoaning a lack of technical skill in electronic music while bumping bring me the horizon.
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Fair enough. So I'd recommend a soft synth over a hardware synth mostly for convenience and affordability, Serum is a popular choice because it's cheap and very easy to use. It's my go-to subtractive synth for when I know exactly what sound I want and I already know what I need to punch in to get it. The drawback here is if you're playing live you're gonna need to bring a laptop and a MIDI controller with you, and you'll need some sort of host running but I assume you already have a DAW of choice if you're recording music. If you have a little more cash you can look into one of the cheaper analogue synths coming out now, something like the Korg Minilogue or the Arturia Minibrute. If hardware is necessary but you don't have the cash, I'd also check out a simple Microkorg. Some people look down on their sound quality because it "isn't analogue" but it's probably my favorite "bang for your buck" synth because it's flexible, very easy to use, and super portable. Check out some of the crazy stuff Dorian Concept can pull off with one, despite its size, price, and age it's a very formidable piece of hardware with everything you need built in. Keep in mind with a hardware synth there's the hidden cost of needing to buy an audio interface to record (providing you aren't already using one as a direct input for your guitar), and with a softsynth you'll need one as a decent output device to play live. To save that cost I'd invest in a soft synth if you're just recording stuff at home, and a hardware synth if you're going to be playing live. Just depends what you plan on using it for. A Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 will get the job done in both of these instances.
 
Calderc said:
They started off as a deathcore band (when deathcore was 'in' and 'the new thing') and now they're a weak metalcore band with synths (now that weak metalcore with synths is 'in' and kinda 'the new thing'.

Notice a trend there?
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Yep shit band. I even like metalcore too but not bmth stuff lmao. Shai hulud, buried alive, etc are actually good
 
Accoun said:
I dunno, let's ask a world-famous guitarist, John Frusciante:
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This is a really bad example because let's be honest here, Frusciante's career really went to shit when he began to think he was Aphex Twin or Venetian Snares.

Electronic music is great OP. Rock with electronic elements apart from some very notorious examples, like Radiohead or Broadcast, is absolute shit. My mind explodes everytime I remember someone actually unironically like stuff like Chet Faker.
 
In pop music, sure, it usually sounds cheap and generic to me

But look outside of pop...and its a great thing (granted I've always loved electronic music)
 
Yeah it's pretty terrible. It ruined the DooM soundtrack for me.

/edit: to be clear: I'm talking about bringing electronic sound to other genres where it doesn't belong. I have nothing against the genre in and by itself (although it's not for me)
 
I think OP has a point in that I would much rather listen to generic 3 chord rock than generic EDM prog house/electro house/EDM trap nonsense, but he's also peddling that played out "electronic music takes no skill" bullshit. Go listen to better electronic music.

Lionel Richie said:
This is a really bad example because let's be honest here, Frusciante's career really went to shit when he began to think he was Aphex Twin or Venetian Snares.

Electronic music is great OP. Rock with electronic elements apart from some very notorious examples, like Radiohead or Broadcast, is absolute shit. My mind explodes everytime I remember someone actually unironically like stuff like Chet Faker.
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Eh, I'd take Trickfinger over a lot of his earlier solo work but as a whole he's a more accomplished guitarist than producer if only because he's been doing the former for 20+ more years.
 
I had my small edm/dubstep phase in high school but got sick of the music pretty fast, I love trap music but trap edm is also pretty wack.
 
Mr.Monitor said:
Fair enough. So I'd recommend a soft synth over a hardware synth mostly for convenience and affordability, Serum is a popular choice because it's cheap and very easy to use. It's my go-to subtractive synth for when I know exactly what sound I want and I already know what I need to punch in to get it. If you have a little more cash you can look into one of the cheaper analogue synths coming out now, something like the Korg Minilogue or the Arturia Minibrute. If hardware is necessary but you don't have the cash, I'd also check out a simple Microkorg. Some people look down on their sound quality because it "isn't analogue" but it's probably my favorite "bang for your buck" synth because it's flexible, very easy to use, and super portable. Check out some of the crazy stuff Dorian Concept can pull off with one, despite its size, price, and age it's a very formidable piece of hardware with everything you need built in.
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Soft Synths are great, but they will rather keep you from learning the instrument. Some haptics are recommended for people who have never worked with a Synth imo or he will tend to skip through presets like the majority does. If you want to seriously get involved with synths you'll have to learn about Oscs, Mods, Fx, Filters which is easier when you have knobs, potis,...
 
HigherLevel said:
I like metal, all kinds of bands, but I prefer stuff that's a little more melodic than bands with just repeating the same dark power chords over and over. One recent band I've gotten into is Bring me the Horizon, so maybe stuff like that?

I also like heavier rock, bands like Alter Bridge, some of Slash's current solo stuff.

Punk rock is another big favorite of mine, Sum 41, the Offspring, blink 182, bands like that.

I'm only recently getting into blues stuff but anything a little more upbeat would probably be something I like.

Also, to be clear, I didn't mean that there is no skill involved in making electronic music, I've spent many hours working on hip-hop stuff but I still don't think sitting down at a computer to make music requires the same level of skill of mastering an instrument. They both require a level of skill, but there's a physical element to playing instruments like drums, guitars, piano, bass, banjos, violin, or whatever else that isn't there with electronic music.
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Try not listening to terrible pop-rock lol. Also lose the electronic music isnt a skill mindset.
There is an unending supply of music its just where you look to find it.

also this

umop_3pisdn said:
Listen to Forest Swords, his stuff is like if druids made music with synths.

https://youtu.be/MlK8jCJrsH4
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I was tired of the dominance of rock + alternative in the 90s. I was yearning for more electronic beats. The world came around to me. Sorry guitar heads.
 
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