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AP: More US drilling didn't drop gas price

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clav

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http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-03/D9TL1BO00.htm
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS March 21, 2012, 1:54PM ET
FACT CHECK: More US drilling didn't drop gas price

By SETH BORENSTEIN and JACK GILLUM

It's the political cure-all for high gas prices: Drill here, drill now. But more U.S. drilling has not changed how deeply the gas pump drills into your wallet, math and history show.

A statistical analysis of 36 years of monthly, inflation-adjusted gasoline prices and U.S. domestic oil production by The Associated Press shows no statistical correlation between how much oil comes out of U.S. wells and the price at the pump.

If more domestic oil drilling worked as politicians say, you'd now be paying about $2 a gallon for gasoline. Instead, you're paying the highest prices ever for March.

Political rhetoric about the blame over gas prices and the power to change them -- whether Republican claims now or Democrats' charges four years ago -- is not supported by cold, hard figures. And that's especially true about oil drilling in the U.S. More oil production in the United States does not mean consistently lower prices at the pump.

Sometimes prices increase as American drilling ramps up. That's what has happened in the past three years. Since February 2009, U.S. oil production has increased 15 percent when seasonally adjusted. Prices in those three years went from $2.07 per gallon to $3.58. It was a case of drilling more and paying much more.

U.S. oil production is back to the same level it was in March 2003, when gas cost $2.10 per gallon when adjusted for inflation. But that's not what prices are now.

That's because oil is a global commodity and U.S. production has only a tiny influence on supply. Factors far beyond the control of a nation or a president dictate the price of gasoline.

When you put the inflation-adjusted price of gas on the same chart as U.S. oil production since 1976, the numbers sometimes go in the same direction, sometimes in opposite directions. If drilling for more oil meant lower prices, the lines on the chart would consistently go in opposite directions. A basic statistical measure of correlation found no link between the two, and outside statistical experts confirmed those calculations.

"Drill, baby, drill has nothing to do with it," said Judith Dwarkin, chief energy economist at ITG investment research. Two other energy economists said the same thing and experts in the field have been making that observation for decades.

The statistics directly contradict the title of GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich's 2008 book "Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less," as well as the campaign-trail claims from the GOP presidential candidates.

Earlier this month, GOP front-runner Mitt Romney said of his solution to higher gas prices: "I can cut through the baloney ... and just tell him, `Mr. President, open up drilling in the Gulf, open up drilling in ANWR (the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge). Open up drilling in continental shelf, drill in North Dakota, drill in Oklahoma and Texas.'"

On Wednesday, with President Barack Obama traveling to oil and gas production fields on federal lands, Crossroads GPS, a nonprofit arm of a super PAC supporting GOP candidates, released a new ad to air in the same states that Obama was visiting. It accused Obama of restricting oil development in America and concludes "bad energy policies mean energy prices we can't afford."

The late 1980s and 1990s show exactly how domestic drilling is not related to gas prices.

Seasonally adjusted U.S. oil production dropped steadily from February 1986 until three years ago. But starting in March 1986, inflation-adjusted gas prices fell below the $2-a-gallon mark and stayed there for most of the rest of the 1980s and 1990s. Production between 1986 and 1999 dropped by nearly one-third. If the drill-now theory were correct, prices should have soared. Instead they went down by nearly a dollar.

The AP analysis used Energy Department figures for regular unleaded gas prices adjusted for inflation to 2012 dollars, oil production and oil demand. The figures go back to January 1976, the earliest the Energy Department keeps figures on unleaded gas prices. Phil Hanser, an economist and statistician at the energy consulting firm The Brattle Group; University of South Carolina statistics professor John Grego; New York University statistics professor Edward Melnick and David Peterson, a retired Duke University statistics professor, looked at the analysis, ran their own calculations, including several complicated formulas, and came to the same conclusion.

When U.S. production goes up, the price of gas "is certainly not going down," Melnick said. "The data does not suggest that whatsoever."

The calculations "help make the point that U.S. production and demand have little to do with the price of gasoline in the U.S., and lend support to the notion that there is not a great deal we in the U.S., acting alone, can do to affect the price of gasoline," Peterson wrote in an email. He pointed out that Energy Department figures show that gas prices in the U.S. seem to rise and fall similarly to gas prices in Europe, showing that it has little to do with American drilling.

And that's the key. It's a world market, economists say.

Unlike natural gas or electricity, the United States alone does not have the power to change the supply-and-demand equation in the world oil market, said Christopher Knittel, a professor of energy economics at MIT. American oil production is about 11 percent of the world's output, so even if the U.S. were to increase its oil production by 50 percent -- that is more than drilling in the Arctic, increased public-lands and offshore drilling, and the Canadian pipeline would provide -- it would at most cut gas prices by 10 percent.

"There are not many markets where the United States can't impose its will on market outcomes," Knittel said. "This is one we can't, and it's hard for the average American to understand that and it's easy for politicians to feed off that."

If drilling activity rises around the globe for a sustained period of time, gasoline prices can fall as that new supply eventually finds its way to market, but the U.S. can't do it alone, oil analysts say.

Politicians -- especially those in the party that's not occupying the White House -- have long harped on high gas prices when expedient. Then-Sen. Barack Obama said in 2008, when he was running for president, that "here in Ohio, you're paying nearly $3.70 a gallon for gas, 2-1/2 times what it cost when George Bush took office."

But Obama, who has seen gas prices go up 73 percent since he took office, was singing a different tune last week in his weekly radio address: "The truth is: The price of gas depends on a lot of factors that are often beyond our control. Unrest in the Middle East can tighten global oil supply. Growing nations like China or India adding cars to the road increases demand. But one thing we should control is fraud and manipulation that can cause prices to spike even further."

The political party of the president doesn't seem to matter to the price at the pump either. Since 1976, the average monthly gas price, adjusted for inflation, during Democratic presidencies has been $2.25; under Republicans it's been $2.34. Obama had the steepest monthly average at $3.05 and Bill Clinton the cheapest at $1.68.

When Bush and running mate Dick Cheney campaigned in 2000, they argued that as oil executives they could get oil prices down, with Bush saying, `'I would work with our friends in OPEC to convince them to open up the spigot, to increase the supply."

Yet it was during the last few months of Bush's term in 2008 that gas prices hit their highest: $4.27 when adjusted for inflation.
 

GhaleonEB

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From the department of "no shit".

Good to see some mainstream reporting on it though, given all the nonsense the GOP is putting out.
 

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DietRob

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I'm really amazed by this news. I can't believe that the republican candidates lied to us. Shocked I tell you.
 

XenoRaven

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So now what are the chances we as a country invest more in research for alternative fuel sources for our vehicles? I bet they're super high.
 
This will never be admitted by most republicans. They just move the goal posts to specific drilling. IE "if we just build the Keystone pipeline everything would be solved!"
 

AiTM

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So what...do people still pretend the world doesn't run on this stuff? And is going to for the foreseeable future. We cant act like not drilling for it is going to make us use it less or make it cheaper.
 

Baraka in the White House

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Yep. I work in the oil industry and I'll be the first to tell anyone that we need to tamp down this theory that more drilling will reduce domestic prices. The U.S. doesn't have a national oil company, they're all multinational entities that deliver crude to the world market. It's not ours by default.
 
Oil prices are dictated by the world market. All the drilling by the US won't affect that price more than a few pennies at best. Not enough market power to change the price of oil.

The price of oil is set by Demand for oil, Supply (which the US has a negligible effect on) and speculation in the oil futures market.

People need to stop looking at gas prices from a political angle.
 
This will never be admitted by most republicans. They just move the goal posts to specific drilling. IE "if we just build the Keystone pipeline everything would be solved!"

It will never be admitted, and there is really only one effect of it: The owners of the well get rich as hell with high oil prices, and do kinda crappy with low ones.

So what...do people still pretend the world doesn't run on this stuff? And is going to for the foreseeable future. We cant act like not drilling for it is going to make us use it less or make it cheaper.

It won't, unless you consider a drop in a bucket to be a major change.
 

clav

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This will never be admitted by most republicans. They just move the goal posts to specific drilling. IE "if we just build the Keystone pipeline everything would be solved!"

You know the Keystone Pipeline already exists.

The one the politicians are arguing is an extension of the original one. One of the reasons the extension was rejected was the proposal had the extension line running next to a water supply. Given the history that the original pipeline has leaked quite a number of times, the plan was obviously not safe.

Speaking of which, Cornell University's Global Labor Institute did a report why the XL line actually does not increase US jobs: http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/globallaborinstitute/research/upload/GLI_KeystoneXL_Reportpdf.pdf

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thekad

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Oil prices are dictated by the world market. All the drilling by the US won't affect that price more than a few pennies at best. Not enough market power to change the price of oil.

The price of oil is set by Demand for oil, Supply (which the US has a negligible effect on)

The US has a major impact on the demand for oil, however. Too bad it's an election year, so nothing will be said about this.
 

dskillzhtown

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Oil prices are dictated by the world market. All the drilling by the US won't affect that price more than a few pennies at best. Not enough market power to change the price of oil.

The price of oil is set by Demand for oil, Supply (which the US has a negligible effect on) and speculation in the oil futures market.

People need to stop looking at gas prices from a political angle.

Agreed. There needs to be more education about what really drives the oil prices. Not sure how anyone in the US is going to have an effect on the futures market.
 

Salmonax

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We've known this for a while. We're actually exporting oil at this point, and still prices are high due to speculation. It's a complete mess.
 

SapientWolf

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Even if oil production was vastly increased, what is the incentive to lower the price of domestic gas? I think there is a push to do more drilling because they can sell that gas at the higher price and make more profit.

edit: It looks like there's more than enough gasoline production capacity to meet domestic demand.
 

Wthermans

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AP? That's just a liberal propaganda machine. Of course they wouldn't want us to drill, thereby creating more American jobs and reducing our dependency on foreign oil.

The above are no my own thoughts, simply the thoughts of most conservative voters
 

Angry Fork

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Anyone have a link to how oil pricing works and what goes on behind the scenes?

Or does it boil down to more trickle down, keep the oil, pretend there isn't enough, jack up the prices etc. kind of thing?
 
The US has a major impact on the demand for oil, however. Too bad it's an election year, so nothing will be said about this.

Of course. And we should be taking measures to reduce Demand for oil. But people have to understand those are potential long term solutions, not short. We won't be affecting that in the next year or 2.
 

LordCanti

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Are people still out there that think price is based on supply. Silly, silly people.

In general, people have no idea how the markets works. Supply and demand is an easy enough concept that people learn as children and never move past.
 

Snaku

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AP? That's just a liberal propaganda machine. Of course they wouldn't want us to drill, thereby creating more American jobs and reducing our dependency on foreign oil.

The above are no my own thoughts, simply the thoughts of most conservative voters

Actually I've heard those exact phrases emanated from my radio from the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, etc. over the last few years.

They'll dismiss this shit as liberal propaganda if it gets any traction.
 

DonasaurusRex

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i wonder how much speculation adds to the price of oil/gas maybe its time to reign that in a bit bad as gas prices are...look at what they're doing to plane tickets..holy shit nearly if not 2x what they used to be....im dying here when i plan trips, dont get me started on my trip to japan...then when i get there im gonna get like 80yen per dollar before fee's..
 

bill0527

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Not sure that I buy this as the end-all-be-all argument for no more drilling.

Much of the data taken from the earlier part of the analysis was when you didn't have as large of a demand curve from other parts of the world.

This completely flies in the face of hundreds of years worth of economic logic. Simply...if you have more of something, it becomes less valuable and the price goes down. If you have less of something that everyone wants, the price goes up.
 

Dicer

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Truth is we are running out of this resource, and no one wants to start a panic. So they will keep jacking up the price hoping it'll stave off the inevitable.
 
Not sure that I buy this as the end-all-be-all argument for no more drilling.

Much of the data taken from the earlier part of the analysis was when you didn't have as large of a demand curve from other parts of the world.

This completely flies in the face of hundreds of years worth of economic logic. Simply...if you have more of something, it becomes less valuable and the price goes down. If you have less of something that everyone wants, the price goes up.

But we don't have enough of something to reduce prices. Like I said earlier, at best it would have an effect of a few pennies.

This is the part that people don't get. The US has very little crude oil. Sure, we have a lot of shale, but it will take so long to even tap into it en masse.

i wonder how much speculation adds to the price of oil/gas maybe its time to reign that in a bit bad as gas prices are...look at what they're doing to plane tickets..holy shit nearly if not 2x what they used to be....im dying here when i plan trips, dont get me started on my trip to japan...then when i get there im gonna get like 80yen per dollar before fee's..

Speculation can add a lot. For a time, Demand for oil dropped while Supply increased and prices were still rising.

It's pretty absurd that over 90% of oil futures trading is done by speculators and not hedgers. The whole system should be reformed. Hedgers are the ones who should be buying contracts, not people looking to make money.

The notion that everyone should be able to buy anything to repackage is another reason why the middle class gets screwed. From people re-selling tickets to concerts and basketball games to re-selling of oil contracts.
 

Angry Fork

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Of course. And we should be taking measures to reduce Demand for oil. But people have to understand those are potential long term solutions, not short. We won't be affecting that in the next year or 2.

We can if we really wanted to. If we didn't spend so much on the military we can do tremendous great things for the benefit of everyone. Whether it's renewable energy, NASA, veteran/homeless programs, education restructuring etc.

The government isn't in the hands of the people though so we have what we have now instead.
 
We can if we really wanted to. If we didn't spend so much on the military we can do tremendous great things for the benefit of everyone. Whether it's renewable energy, NASA, veteran/homeless programs, education restructuring etc.

The government isn't in the hands of the people though so we have what we have now instead.

agree, but with alternate energy, we're still looking at long term things.

Reality is, the world is banking on fusion being it. And we've got a while til then.

The real reason is that we need more refineries here in the US...

Won't change the price of oil.
 

SapientWolf

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Didn't I see a report about how we've started exporting oil?

This Week In Petroleum said:
Record Gasoline Exports Do Not Appear to Be Driving Gasoline Prices

The increase in U.S. petroleum product exports has garnered significant attention lately, as U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) data showed the United States was a net exporter of petroleum products (petroleum and other liquids, excluding crude oil) for the first time since at least 1949.
Released: March 21, 2012

http://205.254.135.7/oog/info/twip/twip.asp
 
No, but it will allow us to export less oil to refine, thus making transport costs cheaper, thus lowering gas prices at the pump.

Expansions have increased capacity. But it won't matter, the big companies don't want new refineries. Another great example of the free market at work.

edit: plus, it won't change the market price. They'll keep it at the world price, whether it's oil of finished fuel.
 

Flatline

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No, but it will allow us to export less oil to refine, thus making transport costs cheaper, thus lowering gas prices at the pump.

Oil's price has more to do with market speculation than anything else. Either the transport costs are a little lower or not doesn't really matter because oil companies still want those huge profits they've been getting the last few years thanks to free market bullshit. I'm pretty sure the only thing that would change if transport costs became lower would be that oil companies would have more money to pocket.
 
We can if we really wanted to. If we didn't spend so much on the military we can do tremendous great things for the benefit of everyone. Whether it's renewable energy, NASA, veteran/homeless programs, education restructuring etc.

Not with all the economic problems and defecit. Reduced military spending will just go to other areas and not to any of those things.
 
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