swaffles23
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India has lost like 5 jets including French Rafaels.. that's an expensive way to try to flex on Pakistan lol
[AP] India fires missiles at Pakistan
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Still can't believe that France got involved in destabilizing Libya just so they could advertise their capability to the Indians.
Warspite
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Has this been confirmed yet? I don't think we have seen any wreckage for any Rafaels yet.
Hari Seldon
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I want to see what happened with those Rafaels. Did Chinese JF-17s take them out? Big win for Chinese exports if true.
Great Auk
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The funny thing is he introduced articles of impeachent against Trump because he says he's "unpopular." He's also a Democrat but war is ok when it suits them. He's a clown.
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swaffles23
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I don't think so. I'm been looking on telegram. There's definitely wreckage footage but it's hard to see what they are.
I've seen pictures of a MICA missle still in its launcher so it's either a Rafael or even possibly a Mirage
Madserb2023
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It probably won't but if Pakistan really does go into India with 300 tanks then they will last about as long as they do in Ukraine. The Indians will have been looking at the war in Ukraine. They will all be hit by drones.
LordCBH
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I'm on the side that's not smelly and the side that's not flooding other countries with rapists. So both India and Pakistan can burn for all I care.
Just what we need, another war.
That was a very long time ago, at some point countries need to start looking after themselves and take accountability with their citizens.
Warspite
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NOELREPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@noelreports@mstdn.social)
Attached: 1 image Confirmed: India has lost at least one Rafale fighter jet. Wreckage with serial number BS-001 — the first Indian Dassault Rafale EH — was found in Bathinda, backing Pakistan’s claim.
mstdn.social
Well, we know now.
Madserb2023
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Yeah, this is just nonsense to excuse bad governance. Not only are there plenty of former parts of the British Empire incredibly wealthy but you literally can't get worse than korea after the war. Its also the best representation of how important governance is in shaping the outcome of s country. No one blames the Japanese for North Korea.
Gp1
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Fake news..whatever vids being shown are most likely from some old footages...its lame...
Wildebeest
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People making fake Digital Combat Simulator videos for TikTok are going to be eating good for the next few weeks.
swaffles23
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Looks pretty real to me. That's a 250 million dollar jet that likely got smoked by a Chinese fighter jet lol. France has to be pissed.
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Lunarorbit
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I super nervous with climate change how people on your region are gonna get drinkable water. I'm pretty sure glacial melt is a huge source of water.
LordOfChaos
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So India specifically didn't target military and certainly not civilians and gave a full accounting of 9 terror launchpads targeted, and Pakistan responds by hitting any random thing they can, a school, a Gurdwara, terrorist nation does what terrorist nations do. There's no one more blind than the "both sides" folks, one is a vibrant democracy and one is a soon to fail terrorist state.
One of the best things India did was having a Muslim woman and a Sikh woman deliver the presser, Pakistan must have loved that. Showing national unity when Pakistan's whole identity was being the home for Muslims, who are now doing much worse than Indian Muslims.
One of the best things India did was having a Muslim woman and a Sikh woman deliver the presser, Pakistan must have loved that. Showing national unity when Pakistan's whole identity was being the home for Muslims, who are now doing much worse than Indian Muslims.
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Lunarorbit
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I thought of bin Laden right away when I started reading about this. Everyone in the US assumed he was living in a cave fortress/system but nope, living it up on his compound. Literally in the city with a huge headquarters for military police.
Gp1
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I believe it was cheaper than 250m a piece.
But make no mistake. All these 4++ fighters (F-16, FA18, Gripen, Rafale, Su30, JF-17, F-15, even without the light/heavy distinction), capabilities wise, are like the buying a compact sedan.
All of then (Civic, Corolla, Sentra, Kia, Jetta, even the BYD one etc) performs more or less the same. What differs are the details, post purchase, etc. In the fighters realm weapon package, tech transfer, training, support etc.
edit. Plus the PL-15 is no joke
China’s PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Appears To Have Been Used In Combat For The First Time
The apparent use of China's PL-15 by Pakistan in the recent eruption of hostilities with India comes as Rafale shoot-down claims swirl. A French intelligence official has reportedly confirmed the combat loss of an Indian Air Force Rafale taking part in recent strikes.
www.twz.com
"the reality is that modern air combat is far more than a simple fighter-versus-fighter affair. In the long run, other aspects, including training, munitions, networking, airborne early warning, electronic warfare, tactics, and much more, will play into successes and failures. With that in mind, even the combat loss of a Rafale doesn't make that aircraft a dud, which is good news for the Indian Navy, too, this service having recently had an order for the carrier-based version of the fighter signed off."
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Hari Seldon
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Seems like Gen4 fighters are absolutely worthless if you are fighting anyone with modern AA missiles.
LordOfChaos
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Since when does a country have to stand idly by while its neighbor funds and abets thousands of terrorist pinprick attacks against it? The answer to your question is since always, it's just non-news when a Western country does it. If India responded as hard in 2008 as they are doing now they probably wouldn't have suffered as much Pak assisted terror. It's tough but the well known thousand papercuts strategy of Pakistan did force this decision, now you only want to complain about the response? Did you ever condemn the tens of thousands of lives India has lost to the terror in the first place? Why SHOULD they keep taking it?
And they're bombing terrorist hideouts with a full accounting of all targets, not schools and Gurdwara's like Pakistan's response.
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Zathalus
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It's a 30 year old 4th gen fighter. I don't think anyone should expect it to be immune to SAMs or an air-to-air missile. Now if a F35 was shot down, then I'd get why people would be pissed.Looks pretty real to me. That's a 250 million dollar jet that likely got smoked by a Chinese fighter jet lol. France has to be pissed.
Surely all those immigrants would instead embrace their new country and let all those old grudges and regional issues go as they are now far away in a new land that has openly welcomed them. They will put aside their past issues, open their hearts to new ideas and accept the christian values of forgiveness and tolerance in the lands they now call home.
Right....right????
swaffles23
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Of course they can get shot down. Even a F-117 was shot down by old Soviet S-125 in the 90s. I'm just saying they are very expensive jets and I'm sure France doesn't like to their jets rep take a hit against Chinese missles
Nocty
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there is a huge problem in just about all major cities with gangs of ferral teenagers as it is, would just be more fuel to the fire tbh.
EverydayBeast
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In fairness India was provoked, Pakistan is not fit to hold nukes.
RJMacready73
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Nobody is using nukes FFS, nukes are what you use when your country is being invaded and overwhelmed and you're about to have enemy tanks rolling down your capital streets, this is merely India giving Pakistan a slap across the face for being cunts, sure Pakistan may lash out to save face but they'll end up with another slap and sooner or later they'll get the message
LordOfChaos
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Oh my god
"What's your source?"
"Social media!"
"You're the defence minister..."
"What's your source?"
"Social media!"
"You're the defence minister..."
Dr.Guru of Peru
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I'm pretty sure its non-news now. You've made like half the posts in this thread.
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RetroGamingUK
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LordOfChaos
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Looks like India broke through and destroyed one of Pakistan's flagship Chinese HQ9 air defense systems, confirmed
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LordOfChaos
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I don't get the sentiment, you mean like preventing tens of thousands of more people from being murdered by Pakistan's well known death by 1000 papercuts strategy to destabilize them? Giving a decisive hit to prevent dozens of more terrorist strikes seems like a damn good thing for them to do. They'll have to repeat the lesson every few years if it continues.
They're not putting this all on the line for fun. Most of us are blessed to not have Pakistan as a neighbor, and any caucasian western country performing airstrikes in a country that funded terrorism against them would not get remotely as much question.
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Zathalus
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It absolutely would, if said country had nuclear weapons.
LordOfChaos
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Pakistan is not allowed to use the F16 against India per US terms...
Jinzo Prime
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Well, Pakistan's getting US sanctions for sure now, let's see if they also get airspace restrictions.
Sardaukarama
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I think the game "God save Birmingham" is getting more apt everyday
RetroGamingUK
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Last thing they needed.
They already can't afford this war.
At this rate they'll be resorting to launching goats via catapults.
Warspite
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Its an interesting restriction, how do you stop someone from using something when the enemy is lobbing missiles at their home territory.
winjer
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Sanctions. Similar to what the USA did to Iran with the F-14.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Always the sign of honest reporting 
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LordOfChaos
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Jinzo Prime
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Always the sign of honest reporting
The Indian government is overreacting. Not a fan of that at all, but maybe we see some action from the US Ambassador to India.
Insane Metal
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Fuck this is going to escalate, isn't it? 
DeepEnigma
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There's a higher chance of one of the two blowing up themselves with the "nuclear threat" without even successfully getting an ICBM out of a silo. If they do indeed have a functional one and not just boogey man PR/propaganda.