I think this is what Sega said.
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Apparently Atlus requested removal of all Persona 5 info from RPCS3 site
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I think this is what Sega said.
The PS3 also lets people run modified software, better take that down too.
"the software which i guarantee you they have no right to unless specifically permitted by software owners(the publisher)."
Completely false again, you have legal right to mod your games.
No, you have no moral or legal right to prevent people from using your commercially available product.
You said they used it for years - this is not true. They merely provide a program that has support for it if somebody provides their own personal copy.
Also, in the US, it is completely legal for people to dump their own ROMs. This is also true for things like the machines BIOS or the DSP (for Wii sound files). It is also completely legal for Dolphin to explain to people how they can do it on their own personal console.
Hell if that were illegal GAF needs to change their rules on emulation discussion and fast
I've used Dolphin for nearly a decade now, for that period I've always known them to be aware of these things.
Read above. There is a difference between Unorthorized (needing to do something a platform holder doesn't like) and illegal.
No respected emulator ships with a ripped BIOS either, the only possible exception could be something like CEMU which is closed source and there are people wondering if there is Nintendo code in there somewhere.
Also, holy fuck at that ISIS analogy. What the hell.
GhostTrick
Banned
Wrong. You can but for that you need to dump the Wii sound files. Otherwise it's using HLE for the DSP.
SomedayTheFire
Member
Why?
artsi
Member
They have autonomy as long as Sega allows it, they own the company and can do whatever they want in the end.
MetalliCabombination
Member
Wrong, mostly companies simply dont care.
When you buy a software you obtain rights to use it, re engineering any part of it and making it publicly available is absolutely liable to prosecution.
And yes, if they felt that modded ps3's were eating into sales and that theyre better off on another platform they would be justified in doing so.
Pretty sure piracy factors into the discussion when devs decide a platform. They weight their options and take their decisions.
Dolphin "could use if available". Are you happy now ?
I did not say - I did not meant at least - the rom sound files was mandatory or provided by Dolphin.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
They're also the only publisher I know of that regularly charges more than the standard 3DS price for their games. For being the creators of some of my favorite games of all-time, they're really about as anti-fan as they come (the Japanese side; the US side seems to be run by cool people).
GhostTrick
Banned
Yes, because that makes a HUGE difference. What you said meant they would distribute Dolphin with illegal files while the reality is they dont and use their own solution by default.
What he's implying is that the fact Sega treats Atlus like a R*esque golden goose that must be allowed to operate largely on its own terms is just a choice rather than a consequence of a legal technicality. There's nothing preventing Sega from one day deciding to flex its parent company muscle and greenlight ports of Atlus' games, so the answer to the question of "Is that something Sega could do?" is "Yes.".
Sega is already developing and producing a Shin Megami Tensei smartphone game which they have made clear is a Sega initiative using an Atlus IP.
So this isn't even a hypothetical thing.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong again. Firstly because the emulator doesn't even use any Sony code, (and no, "most companies don't a care" is completely and utterly false. This has been proven in court more than once)and even if it that would have literally zero relevance to Persona or Atlus. Persona 5 isn't being released engineered. RPCS3 is not distributing any Persona 5 code in any way.
Modded PS3's are also much more widely available than PCs capable of playing Persona 5 at acceptable playability. Again, might as well go back in time and not release the PS3 version.
Alexander DeLarge
Member
This is what I was just about to cite. Emulation is legal and even if it weren't, it could be argued that anything developed to support local play of a legitimately owned product is totally okay under the recent changes to the DMCA thanks to the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/11/new-dmca-ss1201-exemption-video-games-closer-look
I really don't get that. I thought SMT IV was pricier because it came with the soundtrack and some other stuff with the standard edition of the game. I also assumed it had something to do with the lightning fast localization they pulled with that one (like, seriously, what was that all about? They never managed to pull that off again, so I'm assuming Nintendo must've helped?)
But shortly after that, 50 became their go-to 3DS price for regular releases just because. No additional goodies, localizations are just as spaced out from JP as ever, nada. I guess they just figured "hey, if we could get away with it once, then why don't we just, you know, keep doing it?".
Their creative teams are great, but goddamn their business side...
He must be an ATLUS shareholder. Or he's ok with censorship of fucking text.
Sega is already developing and producing a Shin Megami Tensei smartphone game which they have made clear is a Sega initiative using an Atlus IP.
So this isn't even a hypothetical thing.
Baby steps! Or rather step, haha.
What good would it really do if RPCS3 used their time and money fighting a frivolous lawsuit? They're going to continue improving P5 compatibility, and the community will continue highlighting the improvements on forums, you just won't see it on the official blogs.It's not like there's a shortage og games they can highlight either: RDR and Demon's Souls are both pretty big deals.
Mister0079
Member
atlus are shite, no surprises
interesting comment https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/...ce_of_mediainfo_related_to_persona_5/dnhyt17/
interesting comment https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/...ce_of_mediainfo_related_to_persona_5/dnhyt17/
Emulation = ISIS
97% of all emulators are pirates.
This thread is going like they usually do lol.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Please, please provide a source on that 97+% number
I dont even know how its possible to measure that lmao
ResourcefulStar
Neo Member
You're a slave. Want emancipation? Pay us $60 for a piece of closed-source entertainment software developed exclusively for proprietary hardware with uncertain prospects of backwards compatibility. Don't even think about sharing your experiences with others or using the product you purchased in ways that our gerontocratic management disapproves of, despite the rest of the industry, including the actual platform holders who own the tech that gets reverse engineered by emulator developers, not taking any steps to fight these ways. Don't forget to buy the eventual director's cut for the same price!
I heard it is more than 100% but do not quote me on this, my source is not official.
Still, as much credible than people claiming emulation is for people owning the original games.
One real question : can you put a ps3 game disk in a PC bluray drive and read it, I mean access files ?
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Setting aside the fact that you're already wrong from a legal perspective--as people have pointed out several times while you continue to shift the goalposts...
Do you understand that, I can absolutely call someone petty if they do something with reasoning that I believe is actually petty? It's late and I could be misunderstanding your argument, but you keep phrasing this in such a way that "Well, they own it so we really can't have any opinion on what they do with it."
Well....no. They may be completely within their rights legally and they can still be assholes, and people can certainly still call them that. It's not like if enough people call you petty the petty police show up and force you to change your mind on your decisions lol.
Why would you do that?
Member
People often forget that emulation is used for WAY more than video games.
VMWare is a computer emulator created and owned by IBM, and they show screens of Windows and Mac OS running in it.
VirtualBox is an open source computer emulator maintained by Oracle, one of the biggest tech companies around. They too have screens of Windows running in their program.
DosBox is a DOS emulator that has plenty of screenshots and a compatibility list for games and programs. Many companies use DOSBox, especially when bundling old games for sale on PCs.
BlueStacks is an Android emulator that allows you to play Android games on your PC. The web site is filled with screens showcasing it.
Basically, all I'm saying is that:
1) There is no legal gray area. Emulation is definitely legal and here to stay. That old ruling allows all of this to exist and for all of us to benefit from it.
2) None of these products ensure that users aren't installing pirated copies of third party software, and it's not their problem.
3) Demonstrating compatibility with third party software in a non-advertisement, non-endorsement sense is legal and normal under the fair use laws. if Atlus pressures sometime to do otherwise, and remove all references of their product from the site, then I think they yes, they are being petty.
King Tubby
Member
Such a pointless move. I own P5 and beat it soon after release and I'd love to try it out on an emulator.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
It's obvious he meant to say that a vast, vast majority of people using emulators are doing so with piracy in mind. Is this disputable?
I have a hypothesis, based on information from Atlus, the actions that have been taking over time and the little that I know of Japanese culture.
First of all, I'm a only PC player and I would buy P5 on PC without hesitation.
They are not worried about piracy, nor do they have anything against the PC platform.
They are proud of their creature (P5), in which they put all their effort to get an experience for the player that they consider "correct". Let's say it's better or worse, it's what they want the player to experience. And that's why they feel comfortable only when they have FULL control of that experience.
They are afraid that you will see parts of the game in a youtube video. They are afraid you can see the game in a different way it was designed and you could think that the difference or glitch or whatever is Altus work. They are really terrified that anyone can see any problem in the game that is not Atlus' fault but that they attribute it to them.
And that's the reason they are afraid to put their game in an open platform like PC where they can't control every little detail of the experience. What if someone runs the game in a lower than minimum specs and can't enjoy the game they way is meant to be enjoyed? What if someone runs the game using RPCS3 and finds a bug and thinks is our fault? Oh shit! We must shutdown that thing of the devil!!!
In their mind, they are protecting their little child. I know, is not the logic of most of us...
First of all, I'm a only PC player and I would buy P5 on PC without hesitation.
They are not worried about piracy, nor do they have anything against the PC platform.
They are proud of their creature (P5), in which they put all their effort to get an experience for the player that they consider "correct". Let's say it's better or worse, it's what they want the player to experience. And that's why they feel comfortable only when they have FULL control of that experience.
They are afraid that you will see parts of the game in a youtube video. They are afraid you can see the game in a different way it was designed and you could think that the difference or glitch or whatever is Altus work. They are really terrified that anyone can see any problem in the game that is not Atlus' fault but that they attribute it to them.
And that's the reason they are afraid to put their game in an open platform like PC where they can't control every little detail of the experience. What if someone runs the game in a lower than minimum specs and can't enjoy the game they way is meant to be enjoyed? What if someone runs the game using RPCS3 and finds a bug and thinks is our fault? Oh shit! We must shutdown that thing of the devil!!!
In their mind, they are protecting their little child. I know, is not the logic of most of us...
Pretty sure it's the most backward game company at any side of any ocean.
In their mind, they are protecting their little child. I know, is not the logic of most of us...
Is there any difference between ps3 and ps4 version ?
Imagine someone playing the ps3 version and feeling this is an underpowered version, what a shame !
Companies can just kill little websites just by the cost of lawyers. They do not even have to legally win.
Lanrutcon
Member
In addition to what Lanrutcon said, it also has fuck all to do with this thread. Stump put it very eloquently on the first page:
Jawbreaker
Member
How does Atlus feel about 3DS piracy? I feel like I've just been seeing this strong overprotectiveness with Persona 5. Or better yet, piracy on the PS3? I haven't kept up, but I'm pretty sure you can easily pirate games on the system these days.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Okay then, sorry.
curi0usBystander
Member
Rellik
Member
And scummy. Happy I don't support this company with my time or money.