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It didn't seem too long ago that Korea hated the US. It seems like they'll hate on another nation for pretty trivial things.


I'm kinda partial to the flag fighting game.
 
Old. Funny though. :lol

Economically and politically, SK seems to be uable to match Japan. I guess they can in terms of drawings. :lol
 
My beef with the Japanese is for killing whales and dolphins

On top of having nasty taste when it comes to food.
 
Man, I love nationalism. It does such great things for humanity.

On a side note, I ate whale once. It was pretty good. Also had horse once, though it wasn't as good.
 
The Shadow said:
It didn't seem too long ago that Korea hated the US. It seems like they'll hate on another nation for pretty trivial things.
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It's not necessarily the same thing; the animosity from Korea to Japan is deep-rooted.

It's like if there was an older brother and a younger brother, and the older brother kept coming into his room unwanted, pushing the younger one down, tripping him down the stairs, embarrasing him in front of his friends, punching him in the arm, taking all his toys and throwing them out and always teasing him, and then all of a sudden the mom comes in and says "PLAY NICE!" that tension still exists, not necessarily on the surface though.
 
Synth_floyd said:
Man, I love nationalism. It does such great things for humanity.

On a side note, I ate whale once. It was pretty good. Also had horse once, though it wasn't as good.
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Horse is ok but it's not something i'd ever want to eat again.
 
The governments of Korea and Japan have 'tried' to do a few conciliatory things... like swapping idols for the World Cup... but Koreans still ostensibly hate the Japanese... as do the Chinese... and they're more than justified, if you ask me.
 
CVXFREAK said:
Old. Funny though. :lol

Economically and politically, SK seems to be uable to match Japan. I guess they can in terms of drawings. :lol
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Outsourced drawings only.
 
"like swapping idols for the World Cup... but Koreans still ostensibly hate the Japanese... as do the Chinese... and they're more than justified, if you ask me."
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they just hate our democracy.
 
I'm not sure if those drawings are of the kid' own volition...

Certainly the tensions are high between the to countries for various reason (WW2, comfort women, territorial disputes), but there's a big percentage of japanophiles in Korea as well. Other times I see grudging respect here as well. It really depends on who you ask about Japan, older people here have longer memories, but the younger generation really seems to like Japan
 
ScientificNinja said:
The governments of Korea and Japan have 'tried' to do a few conciliatory things... like swapping idols for the World Cup... but Koreans still ostensibly hate the Japanese... as do the Chinese... and they're more than justified, if you ask me.
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They're justified because of the actions that ended 60 years ago? That is so stupid. The reason they hate the Japanese is because of horrible government propaganda on the Korean and Chinese side. I really wish Japan had the balls to say "shut the fuck up already" to them.

I hate these blood fueds. Oh, his great great grandfather did this to my great great grandfathers' cousin's friend. Oh, his religion took our land away 1500 years ago.

I just want to scream "Jesus christ assholes, get over it".
 
IAmtheFMan said:
It's not necessarily the same thing; the animosity from Korea to Japan is deep-rooted.

It's like if there was an older brother and a younger brother, and the older brother kept coming into his room unwanted, pushing the younger one down, tripping him down the stairs, embarrasing him in front of his friends, punching him in the arm, taking all his toys and throwing them out and always teasing him, and then all of a sudden the mom comes in and says "PLAY NICE!" that tension still exists, not necessarily on the surface though.
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True, I just read up on some of the history. Spent about 2 hours on it actually just because this thread made me say "WTF?" in my mind.

Regardless of previous history though, the current situation is about a few non-islands. It seems pretty trivial to me to have such anger and animosity when previously it seemed like the two countries shared some culture. They are "brothers" as you put it, at least from my point of view.

Meh. I guess I'm not seeing it from the right perspective. I think the whole anti-French attitude in the US now is kinda childish as well considering our early history with them and the English.
 
909er said:
They're justified because of the actions that ended 60 years ago? That is so stupid. The reason they hate the Japanese is because of horrible government propaganda on the Korean and Chinese side. I really wish Japan had the balls to say "shut the fuck up already" to them.

I hate these blood fueds. Oh, his great great grandfather did this to my great great grandfathers' cousin's friend. Oh, his religion took our land away 1500 years ago.

I just want to scream "Jesus christ assholes, get over it".
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Tell that to the Jewish community and get back to me.
 
909er said:
They're justified because of the actions that ended 60 years ago? That is so stupid. The reason they hate the Japanese is because of horrible government propaganda on the Korean and Chinese side. I really wish Japan had the balls to say "shut the fuck up already" to them.

I hate these blood fueds. Oh, his great great grandfather did this to my great great grandfathers' cousin's friend. Oh, his religion took our land away 1500 years ago.

I just want to scream "Jesus christ assholes, get over it".
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But many of the victims are still alive. If you watched your family being gangraped, in the most horrendous manner I've ever heard in my life, and killed wouldn't you be a bit pissed, too? Or if your grandmother were to tell you she was used as a sex slave as a child?
 
pjberri said:
But many of the victims are still alive. If you watched your family being gangraped, in the most horrendous manner I've ever heard in my life, and killed wouldn't you be a bit pissed, too? Or if your grandmother were to tell you she was used as a sex slave as a child?
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I would be hella pissed alright but not at the whole fucking country. People who gangrape and shit are all over the fucking world and not Japan. Hating those people who did those bad things to you is fine by me, but it doesn't end there. It's where they start hating innocent people who didn't do anything wrong I have a real problem with.
 
I don't understand how it ISN'T 'justified' in some sort of strange manner. I just don't understand how people living in a country with racists and closeminded individuals in power can look at an international conflict that's very VERY recent in historical terms and still very relevant to today and go "Oh come on, that's just stupid."

I could definitely understand why the Chinese and Koreans hate the Japanese. I mean, it was only a conflict that has been going on for hundreds of years. A couple dozen years should make everything okay again, AMIRITE?

According to my father (Navy, wass stationed), the Korean government is distrustful of Japanese government, but they don't senselessly hate them, and in fact there may be a good amount of Koreans who don't hate Japanese, but when you go into communities that have been directly affected by certain things, with people from those eras still living (And such a dedication and reverance for the elderly) you begin to kind of feel it.
 
pjberri said:
But many of the victims are still alive. If you watched your family being gangraped, in the most horrendous manner I've ever heard in my life, and killed wouldn't you be a bit pissed, too? Or if your grandmother were to tell you she was used as a sex slave as a child?
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My late grandmother lived through the Japanese occupation of the Philippines. When she found out I loved Japanese culture, she didn't mind at all, she still liked me.

Not saying that all people victimized by the Japanese should forgive or be resentful, but clearly there are people on both sides of the spectrum.
 
Ruzbeh said:
I would be hella pissed alright but not at the whole fucking country. People who gangrape and shit are all over the fucking world and not Japan. Hating those people who did those bad things to you is fine by me, but it doesn't end there. It's where they start hating innocent people who didn't do anything wrong I have a real problem with.
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This is the real world, where generalizations happen. You yourself want to hear the Japanese say "Jesus christ assholes, get over it".:lol
Not to mention this idea that Koreans and Chinese hate all Japanese, I've got a lot of Korean friends, who in turn have Japanese friends. But that doesn't stop them from throwing "fucking Japs" and Korean equivalents around every chance they get, I asked one of them about Dokdo (what these pictures are about) the first time this thread rolled around and it was the biggest can of worms I've ever opened in my life.:lol

That reminds me of something that happened today, I was in Japanese class and my friend ,who had been studying the Nanjing massacre for an essay, said to me "fuck, shit like this makes me hate Japan". I just don't think you understand the magnitude of shitty history these countries have between each other.
 
CVXFREAK said:
My late grandmother lived through the Japanese occupation of the Philippines. When she found out I loved Japanese culture, she didn't mind at all, she still liked me.

Not saying that all people victimized by the Japanese should forgive or be resentful, but clearly there are people on both sides of the spectrum.
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Of course, and there are large Korean communities in Japan, too. In the end it boils down to the individual person, but I still sympathise with those linked to the tragedies of the past that are still angry about it.
 
pjberri said:
This is the real world, where generalizations happen. You yourself want to hear the Japanese say "Jesus christ assholes, get over it".:lol
Not to mention this idea that Koreans and Chinese hate all Japanese, I've got a lot of Korean friends, who in turn have Japanese friends. But that doesn't stop them from throwing "fucking Japs" and Korean equivalents around every chance they get, I asked one of them about Dokdo (what these pictures are about) the first time this thread rolled around and it was the biggest can of worms I've ever opened in my life.:lol

That reminds me of something that happened today, I was in Japanese class and my friend ,who had been studying the Nanjing massacre for an essay, said to me "fuck, shit like this makes me hate Japan". I just don't think you understand the magnitude of shitty history these countries have between each other.
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I understand the history of China, Korea and Japan very well. And this shit makes me sick. This the same type of crap Japan did 100 years ago to start all the bull shit in Asian. it is brain washing pure and simple. You think these kids decided they hated Japan on their own? And why are drawings like this allowed in the schools? Don't get me wrong, I am sickened by the war history of Japan as much as anyone....all the hours I have put into studying Meiji - Heisei. Sometimes I look atthe people here and think they are capable of being lead into something like that again. And this is how it starts...
 
Blackace said:
I understand the history of China, Korea and Japan very well. And this shit makes me sick. This the same type of crap Japan did 100 years ago to start all the bull shit in Asian. it is brain washing pure and simple. You think these kids decided they hated Japan on their own? And why are drawings like this allowed in the schools? Don't get me wrong, I am sickened by the war history of Japan as much as anyone....all the hours I have put into studying Meiji - Heisei. Sometimes I look atthe people here and think they are capable of being lead into something like that again. And this is how it starts...
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I definitely agree, and it's even more pathetic that this particular instance has been initiated by something as trivial as the Dokdo islands. But like I said before, victims are still alive, so while I don't essentially agree with them, I empathise and see where they are coming from. It'll be quite a while before events like this and the Chinese protests are things of the past.
 
pjberri said:
This is the real world, where generalizations happen. You yourself want to hear the Japanese say "Jesus christ assholes, get over it".:lol
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No... that was 909er, not me.
Not to mention this idea that Koreans and Chinese hate all Japanese, I've got a lot of Korean friends, who in turn have Japanese friends. But that doesn't stop them from throwing "fucking Japs" and Korean equivalents around every chance they get, I asked one of them about Dokdo (what these pictures are about) the first time this thread rolled around and it was the biggest can of worms I've ever opened in my life.:lol

That reminds me of something that happened today, I was in Japanese class and my friend ,who had been studying the Nanjing massacre for an essay, said to me "fuck, shit like this makes me hate Japan". I just don't think you understand the magnitude of shitty history these countries have between each other.
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I don't give a shit. I still wouldn't hate Japan as a whole. Just like America. I really fucking hate Bush and the US government and stuff, and over half of Americans voted for Bush, but I still realize that Americans are just like the Dutch or any other people.
 
Ruzbeh said:
No... that was 909er, not me.
I don't give a shit. I still wouldn't hate Japan as a whole. Just like America. I really fucking hate Bush and the US government and stuff, and over half of Americans voted for Bush, but I still realize that Americans are just like the Dutch or any other people.
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Sorry about that, my bad.

I seriously doubt any of them hate all Japanese. I know when Bush won the election people were all "Americans are DUMBFUCKS", but obviously nobody meant that all Americans have inferior mental capacity. I bet these kids are the same, they draw some funny pictures for shits and giggles with their mates at school, then go home where they watch/read Naruto, play Winning Eleven, then whack it to Japanese porn.
Besides, polemic art would kinda lose its sting if they were sympathising at the same time. A roll of flaming toilet paper where every tenth piece was the flag just wouldn't be the same.
 
Ruzbeh said:
I would be hella pissed alright but not at the whole fucking country. People who gangrape and shit are all over the fucking world and not Japan. Hating those people who did those bad things to you is fine by me, but it doesn't end there. It's where they start hating innocent people who didn't do anything wrong I have a real problem with.
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yeah yeah you SAY that now but did it happen to you personally? You cant comment on that kind of loss until it becomes your reality. There's really nothing i could say about it, the facts are pretty clear yeah japan royally fucked china/manchuria and korea , among other nations royally. The problem with the hate now is since the japanese heavily edited history that is taught generation after generation alot of younger japanese dont really know the scope of what their country did in the past. So its kind of pointless in one aspect because you have people that know the history of japans abuse to the letter and a generation of kids that know an atomic bomb was dropped on japan and dont know why everyone's always talking shit to them. Sins of the father type deal there.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
yeah yeah you SAY that now but did it happen to you personally? You cant comment on that kind of loss until it becomes your reality.
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I would still say the same fucking thing if it happened to me. There's plenty of people where some real fucked up shit happened to them and they still didn't drown in their own hatred for <whatever>.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
yeah yeah you SAY that now but did it happen to you personally? You cant comment on that kind of loss until it becomes your reality. There's really nothing i could say about it, the facts are pretty clear yeah japan royally fucked china/manchuria and korea , among other nations royally. The problem with the hate now is since the japanese heavily edited history that is taught generation after generation alot of younger japanese dont really know the scope of what their country did in the past. So its kind of pointless in one aspect because you have people that know the history of japans abuse to the letter and a generation of kids that know an atomic bomb was dropped on japan and dont know why everyone's always talking shit to them. Sins of the father type deal there.
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While I agree with you are about Japan's edited history and everything the sins of the father crap blows me away. True it was only 60 years ago, but blacks got their rights 50 years ago in America, does that give me the right to hold any white America accountable? It is the same logic is it not?

But I agree all countries need to start teaching their history in full.. as full as they can. This way the mistakes will not happen again. But I am scared that, maybe even before I die, we will see another full scale war in Asia...
 
what?? I was just saying that later generations of japanese people are bearing the sins of previous generations...never said it was right or they SHOULD be, in FACT i said its a pretty messed up situation.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
what?? I was just saying that later generations of japanese people are bearing the sins of previous generations...never said it was right or they SHOULD be, in FACT i said its a pretty messed up situation.
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Yeah they are bearing the sins... and they don't know why they are... It is really odd to talk to people about WWII... the reactions are mixed... some simply don't believe that Nanking really happened...or they they destoryed a huge chunnk of Korea's culture (when they made Koreans burn down their own temples and other parts of their culture) Some say it is taken out of context of inflated, some get defensive say that well you only read American books (which I have to tell them that I have read Japanese books on the subject as well), or they say well America was bad too, look at Hiroshima, and Nakasaki (as if I was saying America was better than Japan) and some take the information in but are shocked that it happened because they were NEVER taught it in any form in JR high school, high school, or COLLEGE.

But the people who do believe and do know what happened, also believe that it is time to let go. Like Japan, who was really crushed during WWII, by the firebombings, and of course the Atomic bombs, the people forgave and moved on. Something I think the Koreans and Chinese should be working to, instead of re-kindling the hate... but that would be too much for humans to actual want to live in peace...
 
I dont think they are gonna let this go, the best that can be hoped for is they will agree to disagree. They dont have to like each other but they should respect each other.
 
Well it is not only the people...but the Government as well... instead of trying to make better relations at home with each other, they put on a front by signing agreements and what not... they shovel shit onto in the schools... all of them (China, Korea, and Japan)
 
yeah well its a heated topic and hard to look at it from the outside looking in for those countries involved, just like for me its hard to look at racism in america objectively all the time being an african american.
 
Wakune said:
I'm suprisingly oblivious on this subject...what happened between Japan and the rest of Asia?
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World War II happened... in a really short version of the story.. Japan was the Nazis of the East.. They even started human experimentation before thje Germans... on Chinese..
 
Boogie said:
Holy Fuck......
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I am hoping the next question isn't "what did the Nazis do?"

But really Japan's actions in Asia isn't common knowledge to all...it isn't taught in the American public school system... I can't speak for the rest of the world...but it isn't in America at least
 
...i learned it in public school, not the WHOLE story but I did learn of quite a few atrocities...and this was in California public schools...yeah thats right one step above alabama, but my history teacher was fuckin cool as hell.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
...i learned it in public school, not the WHOLE story but I did learn of quite a few atrocities...and this was in California public schools...yeah thats right one step above alabama, but my history teacher was fuckin cool as hell.
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if I can ask... how old are you? Because I went through the Seattle public school system which isn't so bad.. But during the 80s and early 90s when everyone thought Japan was going to rule the world...
 
Blackace said:
I am hoping the next question isn't "what did the Nazis do?"

But really Japan's actions in Asia isn't common knowledge to all...it isn't taught in the American public school system... I can't speak for the rest of the world...but it isn't in America at least
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Footnotes on Chinese Dynasties and Pearl Harbor and Beyond were the extent of my textbooks' coverage

If it helps I'm 22, went to school in Brentwood, NY (Long Island) until 10th grade, then finished off schooling in Palm Bay, FL
 
Blackace said:
But really Japan's actions in Asia isn't common knowledge to all...it isn't taught in the American public school system... I can't speak for the rest of the world...but it isn't in America at least
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We talked about the Japanese atrocities (such as the rape of Nanking) in public school in northern Virginia. this was mid to late 90s. Granted, we didn't even give it half the time we gave the European theater and the nazis, but it certainly was something that was presented.
 
Nerevar said:
We talked about the Japanese atrocities (such as the rape of Nanking) in public school in northern Virginia. this was mid to late 90s. Granted, we didn't even give it half the time we gave the European theater and the nazis, but it certainly was something that was presented.
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guess it depends where you are at... in Seattle we have huge Japanese community.. so maybe that has something to do with it... but we hardly touched on anything they did... just they were allies to the Nazis.. and we dropped two big bombs on them...
 
Blackace said:
guess it depends where you are at... in Seattle we have huge Japanese community.. so maybe that has something to do with it... but we hardly touched on anything they did... just they were allies to the Nazis.. and we dropped two big bombs on them...
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Well, it was in an AP US History course. During my time it was entirely up to the teacher to determine what subjects you focused on and what you ignored - consequently if you had a good teacher you learned a lot more. This obviously has a lot of nasty side effects (poorer areas get worse teachers, so the students don't learn as much, etc), which is why they're introducing standardized testing. Regardless, I can see how people would've glossed over it.
 
Nerevar said:
Well, it was in an AP US History course. During my time it was entirely up to the teacher to determine what subjects you focused on and what you ignored - consequently if you had a good teacher you learned a lot more. This obviously has a lot of nasty side effects (poorer areas get worse teachers, so the students don't learn as much, etc), which is why they're introducing standardized testing. Regardless, I can see how people would've glossed over it.
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Of course that change when I decided to become a Japanese history major... I was a little pissed that we glossed over sooo much...
 
Speaking as a half-Korean, I was pretty appalled by the blind hatred my mom had for Japanese people, and I'm still disguested by those my own age who hate Japan for no other reason other than "they're supposed to".
 
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