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China vs Japan
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China has valid reasons to be upset at Japan, given the brutal actions of the Imperial Japanese military when they invaded the country. Japan has occasionally apologized, but not consistently nor fully.
Right now, I don't think contemporary Japan would remotely contemplate attacking China by itself, outside of a wider conflict involving both Taiwan and the U.S. If that happens, all bets are off.
Right now, I don't think contemporary Japan would remotely contemplate attacking China by itself, outside of a wider conflict involving both Taiwan and the U.S. If that happens, all bets are off.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
What the bend over backwards for Putin shit?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Go gaslight your mirror.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Not taking long for your vaginas making this about your TDS.
Wilhelm_85
Gold Member
George Glass (US Ambassador to Japan) has been putting out some good supportive messaging.
The Chinese Ambassador in Osaka's words were just beyond the pale. I'm shocked he hasn't been expelled from the country yet. Japan needs to give him the boot yesterday.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Yes, and would almost certainly harm the global economy as well as it would be a war between two of the biggest trading and manufacturing hubs on Earth.
This is why it'll always ever be saber rattling between the two.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
China should let off some steam, attack Russia... Nobody would lift a finger in that conflict.
Nobody would get involved directly, but world leaders would be scrambling to put a stop to it.
War would not just damage the Chinese economy, but again massively impact the global economy.
It would also be a war between two tyrannical governments who have nukes, which could easily get out of hand.
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Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
So if Japan will defend Taiwan from Xi Jinping (not China as a whole, china people can't give two shits about what their dictator wants and none of them would be asked if they want to start a war or not), then I've absolutely nothing against it. Freedom is not something you just get for doing absolutely fuckin' nothing (I learned that the hard way, but better late than never), it's something you must always fight for and protect during your life time all the time.
Hypnotoad
Member
Dunno if anyone here is familiar with Arnaud Bertrand. He is one of the more refined China shills, has been peddling his geopolitical takes for a decade on Twitter / X, always taking an angle that presents China as strong, benevolent and rising, while the collective West is in decline.
So here he is predicting the economic pain that the Chinese boycott of tourism will bring to Japan
Looking at the real numbers, however, and without even considering that Japanese would welcome a reduction in Chinese tourists, the picture looks quite different.
Tourism in Japan accounts for 5.6% of GPD, rising recently due to higher international arrivals. However, the vast majority of spending still happens from domestic tourists, $181 billion. International tourists spend $56 billion, less than a third of that. And from that, Chinese Mainlanders make up 14.4%, trailing behind Taiwanese tourists (14.7%) in 2023. Though the proportion of Chinese spending will likely rise, it is still a far cry from 2019, when it stood at over 30%
So here he is predicting the economic pain that the Chinese boycott of tourism will bring to Japan
Looking at the real numbers, however, and without even considering that Japanese would welcome a reduction in Chinese tourists, the picture looks quite different.
Tourism in Japan accounts for 5.6% of GPD, rising recently due to higher international arrivals. However, the vast majority of spending still happens from domestic tourists, $181 billion. International tourists spend $56 billion, less than a third of that. And from that, Chinese Mainlanders make up 14.4%, trailing behind Taiwanese tourists (14.7%) in 2023. Though the proportion of Chinese spending will likely rise, it is still a far cry from 2019, when it stood at over 30%
Robot Carnival
Member
the thing with Chinese tourist, especially majority of the ones that went via tour groups, are the ones that barely spend any money in there. cramping three or four people in a room. not going into any attractions that require them to pay. sharing a bowl of ramen between four people. the list goes on and on. they're only there to take pictures to post on their social media so they can show off to the people they know on there. I had deal with those kinds for 7 years in my last job and trust me when I say you're better off not having them.
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Dunno if anyone here is familiar with Arnaud Bertrand. He is one of the more refined China shills, has been peddling his geopolitical takes for a decade on Twitter / X, always taking an angle that presents China as strong, benevolent and rising, while the collective West is in decline.
So here he is predicting the economic pain that the Chinese boycott of tourism will bring to Japan
Looking at the real numbers, however, and without even considering that Japanese would welcome a reduction in Chinese tourists, the picture looks quite different.
Tourism in Japan accounts for 5.6% of GPD, rising recently due to higher international arrivals. However, the vast majority of spending still happens from domestic tourists, $181 billion. International tourists spend $56 billion, less than a third of that. And from that, Chinese Mainlanders make up 14.4%, trailing behind Taiwanese tourists (14.7%) in 2023. Though the proportion of Chinese spending will likely rise, it is still a far cry from 2019, when it stood at over 30%
Surprising to see how low the current percentage of Chinese visitor revenue is considering that Tokyo and a few other hotspots are absolutely flooded to the gills with Chinese tourists.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The propaganda art…
This is turning into the wildest manga!
Wilhelm_85
Gold Member
Dunno if anyone here is familiar with Arnaud Bertrand. He is one of the more refined China shills, has been peddling his geopolitical takes for a decade on Twitter / X, always taking an angle that presents China as strong, benevolent and rising, while the collective West is in decline.
So here he is predicting the economic pain that the Chinese boycott of tourism will bring to Japan
Looking at the real numbers, however, and without even considering that Japanese would welcome a reduction in Chinese tourists, the picture looks quite different.
Tourism in Japan accounts for 5.6% of GPD, rising recently due to higher international arrivals. However, the vast majority of spending still happens from domestic tourists, $181 billion. International tourists spend $56 billion, less than a third of that. And from that, Chinese Mainlanders make up 14.4%, trailing behind Taiwanese tourists (14.7%) in 2023. Though the proportion of Chinese spending will likely rise, it is still a far cry from 2019, when it stood at over 30%
According to Japan's official numbers, spending from foreign travelers in 2024 was 8.1257 trillion Yen. 21.2% (or 1.72 trillion Yen) was from mainland China. Taiwanese travelers contributed 1.08 trillion Yen (13.4%). Japan's nominal GDP for 2024 was 609.29 trillion Yen. That means ALL spending from foreign travelers contributed 1.3%. China contributed 0.28%. Even if that completely disappeared, I think Japan is going to be just fine, especially when you consider the enormous downsides of mass tourism from China.
Hypereides
Member
Not to go off on a tangent here, but I have to tell you I feel this urgency more now than ever. The foundation of the west is getting stress tested atm.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Wilhelm_85
Gold Member
Absolutely unhinged, but it's insane that the UN charter has still not been updated, because it clearly technically allows for such action:
Article 53
- The Security Council shall, where appropriate, utilize such regional arrangements or agencies for enforcement action under its authority. But no enforcement action shall be taken under regional arrangements or by regional agencies without the authorization of the Security Council, with the exception of measures against any enemy state, as defined in paragraph 2 of this Article, provided for pursuant to Article 107 or in regional arrangements directed against renewal of aggressive policy on the part of any such state, until such time as the Organization may, on request of the Governments concerned, be charged with the responsibility for preventing further aggression by such a state.
- The term enemy state as used in paragraph 1 of this Article applies to any state which during the Second World War has been an enemy of any signatory of the present Charter.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
The propaganda art…
Seeing Asians attempt to negatively portray other Asians in a stereotype caricature always makes me shake my head. I mean really, what are we trying to do here lol.
Forsete
Member
Leave Japan alone. They are the only ones that make quality stuff these days.Absolutely unhinged, but it's insane that the UN charter has still not been updated, because it clearly technically allows for such action:
Article 53
- The Security Council shall, where appropriate, utilize such regional arrangements or agencies for enforcement action under its authority. But no enforcement action shall be taken under regional arrangements or by regional agencies without the authorization of the Security Council, with the exception of measures against any enemy state, as defined in paragraph 2 of this Article, provided for pursuant to Article 107 or in regional arrangements directed against renewal of aggressive policy on the part of any such state, until such time as the Organization may, on request of the Governments concerned, be charged with the responsibility for preventing further aggression by such a state.
- The term enemy state as used in paragraph 1 of this Article applies to any state which during the Second World War has been an enemy of any signatory of the present Charter.
God help us all if Japan falls.
#AlwaysHere"
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I smell another lab-leak coming.
Wildebeest
Member
The big question in a potential conflict is who is able to bribe or flatter Trump the most.
That's pretty fucked up but it does mean that any time the EU tries any shit the UK could just slap German or Italy free of charge.Absolutely unhinged, but it's insane that the UN charter has still not been updated, because it clearly technically allows for such action:
Article 53
- The Security Council shall, where appropriate, utilize such regional arrangements or agencies for enforcement action under its authority. But no enforcement action shall be taken under regional arrangements or by regional agencies without the authorization of the Security Council, with the exception of measures against any enemy state, as defined in paragraph 2 of this Article, provided for pursuant to Article 107 or in regional arrangements directed against renewal of aggressive policy on the part of any such state, until such time as the Organization may, on request of the Governments concerned, be charged with the responsibility for preventing further aggression by such a state.
- The term enemy state as used in paragraph 1 of this Article applies to any state which during the Second World War has been an enemy of any signatory of the present Charter.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
this is a year old though.
Tams
Member
If China were to strike first like that, then the use of nukes is on the table (as in, to be considered).
Forsete
Member
He has a "thing" for dictators. So Japan doesn't stand a chance.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
The use of nukes should never be on the table.
All it takes is for one nuke to fire and you have billions dead in under an hour.
China isn't going to do shit anyway. It's all dick waving. China going to war would absolutely destroy their economy. The CCP know this, which is why all they have are stern words. The world is far too economically connected for a world wide total war to happen.
Zephyranthes
Member
This rides on the assumption that all involved parties will follow logical, self-preserving courses of action. History has repeatedly shown that humans do not always do this.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Of all the countries China thought they could bully, it's hilarious they thought they could bully Japan
The historical enmity between those two nations would guarantee that Japan would absolutely not back down against China lmao
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Within an hour? Not a chance
Very generously you'd get maybe ~0.5 billion with everyone firing everything they can; wouldn't reach a billion even if launching absolutely everything in the stockpile (which isn't possible).
It's the fallout and nuclear winters that would kill billions over years.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
The only party to worry about here is China and a war would cripple their economy beyond repair. Additionally because China is so deeply tied to global trade, any war would also be economically catastrophic for Western countries.
I understand historically this wasn't the case and nations went to war for far less. However, today the world is economically connected. It's this connection to global trade that made China the powerhouse it is today. The CCP are not going to throw that away for total war.
If the CCP were tempted, they need only look at the state of Russia's economy after invading Ukraine. That is a war between two nations and the Russian economy is on the brink of collapse. A war with China against the west would be far, far more damaging.
It's all geopolitical dick waving. Nobody wants a war, certainly not China or the Western powers.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Interesting geopolitical background information about China, Taiwan, and Japan
Tams
Member
The number of ships, from aircraft carriers and amphibious assault ships to requiring RORO ferries being constructed to a military standard (CCP military standard - but still higher than civilian), the size of their rocket forces, claims of hypersonic missiles, and even moving mock-ups of US carriers on bombing ranges in the Gobi Desert all points to a different direction.
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Kenpachii
Member
What i don't get why not just put nukes on taiwan soil and aim them at china to prevent any possible war.