Panajev2001a
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18 TFLOPS for the GPU at 55 Watts? Mmmh… like PS3 was 2 TFLOPS for the GPU?
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Apple Unleashed | Oct 18, 2021
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Papacheeks
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If these M processors were made to work in other OS environments that would be correct. But they are literally engineered for Unix(Ios) use and applications. None Apple Software its still up in the air as these chips are still new relatively speaking and non apple/adobe FP encoding software is still not tested compared to PC counterpart. So no according to these leaked benchmarks from literally couple weeks ago those numbers they throw at you are specific numbers for specific tasks which is what the M1/M1X chips were made for.
Intel/amd MAKE cpu's that are varied for their purpose and use case. Which is why in these leaked charts M1X stacks well in Cinebench, and Video encode benchmarks within their own iOS environment.
But if you compare them to things outside of apple they still dont kill the playing field like you state.
Single core tests:
Multicore tests:
And thats against a AMD apu NOT their any of their flagship Ryzen or Threadripper.
If you configure a lenovo or MSI wa Workstation with a combo of the latest Intel Xeon or Ryzen 9 with a nvidia or Radeon render card the performance is different depending on applications. AND since M1/X chips are only on apple's platform its hard to say how they stack on more Windows/Business based applications.
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Topher
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PS3's GPU was like 230 giga flops, not tera flops. PS4 wasn't quite 2 TF, I don't think. PS4 Pro was over 4 TF.
Panajev2001a
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Topher
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Badlucktroll
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Well, i am going to trade in my 2018 intel macbook pro next week and grab the 14 inch. Might as well.
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Im about to buy one...
Not sure if I should get the 14" with the M1 Max Chip or the 16" with the M1 Pro chip
32GB in both, both are the same price.
Larger screen or better chip.
Gonna be used mainly for Photoshop and Lightroom.
Someone help me decide
Not sure if I should get the 14" with the M1 Max Chip or the 16" with the M1 Pro chip
32GB in both, both are the same price.
Larger screen or better chip.
Gonna be used mainly for Photoshop and Lightroom.
Someone help me decide
Topher
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Are you working with just the MacBook and no external monitor? Without an external monitor I think I'd rather have the 16". I use an external monitor as my primary display so I tend to go with smaller laptop screen sizes and boost up the chips and RAM.
Not sure if that helps.
Topher
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No, primarily because very few games are ported to Mac and even fewer ported to M1. M1 Pro and M1 Max are aimed at the professional market. I don't think this is going to sway gaming developers towards Mac even a little especially at the cost.
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Papacheeks
Banned
nope.
I think free with ads is not Apple's marketing strategy since they position themselves as a premium product.
Maiden Voyage
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Gaming as in the iOS gaming economy? Yes. Gaming as in the Steam gaming economy? No.
Dream-Knife
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You can't really compare Tflops across architectures. A 3070ti is 21 Tflops, yet is outperformed (~2٪) by the 16 tflop rx6800.
Where did they get that number from?
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I just bought the 16" M1 Max. 32GB
Shit came up to damn near $5000 CANADIAN DOLLARS after $500 DOLLARS in taxes. someone comfort me.
Shit came up to damn near $5000 CANADIAN DOLLARS after $500 DOLLARS in taxes. someone comfort me.
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Maiden Voyage
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You'll be comforted soon enough. Next week. Congrats!
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Once you put the M1 Max chip in it, delivery isn't until the 1st week of December
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DaleinCalgary
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You bought in the wrong province
Futurematic
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Odd choices
-HDMI 2.0 instead of 2.1 (Apple TV has 2.1)
-Notch which is fine with me but why no Face ID?
-worse than iPad Pro camera with no ultrawide lens and no Center Stage feature
-baseline 14” doesn’t have a charging brick good enough to support fast charge (20 bucks to upgrade to the fast charge 50% in 30 minutes brick used on all the other 14” models)
All seems like nickel and dime bullshit on a laptop this expensive, although who knows what odd technical problems they might have ran into—maybe they screwed up the HDMI interface and couldn’t do 2.1, maybe FaceID sucks at the usual distance you use the computer at. All probably solved next version 2023 lol.
Other than that though fantastic and even better than I expected. Love the (rare if ever for Apple notebooks) full size instead of half height function keys. Top performance as noted above isn’t better than the competition, unless you consider power use which is less than half to achieve the same result lol
That said I don’t need this on my lap unless work funds it, so I’ll wait for the 2022 MacBook M2 and hopefully in orange with nearly as good screen.
-HDMI 2.0 instead of 2.1 (Apple TV has 2.1)
-Notch which is fine with me but why no Face ID?
-worse than iPad Pro camera with no ultrawide lens and no Center Stage feature
-baseline 14” doesn’t have a charging brick good enough to support fast charge (20 bucks to upgrade to the fast charge 50% in 30 minutes brick used on all the other 14” models)
All seems like nickel and dime bullshit on a laptop this expensive, although who knows what odd technical problems they might have ran into—maybe they screwed up the HDMI interface and couldn’t do 2.1, maybe FaceID sucks at the usual distance you use the computer at. All probably solved next version 2023 lol.
Other than that though fantastic and even better than I expected. Love the (rare if ever for Apple notebooks) full size instead of half height function keys. Top performance as noted above isn’t better than the competition, unless you consider power use which is less than half to achieve the same result lol
That said I don’t need this on my lap unless work funds it, so I’ll wait for the 2022 MacBook M2 and hopefully in orange with nearly as good screen.
boujeejamboree
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The only things that remain on my wishlist for a perfect MacBook hardware wise:
1.) Face ID
2.) No notch. I guess under screen camera will need to improve drastically.
3.) Touch screen with Apple Pencil support.
4.) HDMI 2.1
5.) Center stage on the web cam would be nice.
Software-wise, I really want better video game support and commitment to the industry from Apple.
All that being said, I’m more of a tablet / phone guy atm for mobile devices. I prefer the iMac, Mac Pro, and Mac mini form factors if I were considering an upgrade. An iMac with the features listed above, with an easel mode for Apple Pencil support, would be a day one buy. If they made an external display like that, I’d get the Mac Pro or mini with the display depending on cost. iPad mini and iPhone for the road, Apple TV / PS5 for the living room. Mac / my custom built PC for desktop gaming.
1.) Face ID
2.) No notch. I guess under screen camera will need to improve drastically.
3.) Touch screen with Apple Pencil support.
4.) HDMI 2.1
5.) Center stage on the web cam would be nice.
Software-wise, I really want better video game support and commitment to the industry from Apple.
All that being said, I’m more of a tablet / phone guy atm for mobile devices. I prefer the iMac, Mac Pro, and Mac mini form factors if I were considering an upgrade. An iMac with the features listed above, with an easel mode for Apple Pencil support, would be a day one buy. If they made an external display like that, I’d get the Mac Pro or mini with the display depending on cost. iPad mini and iPhone for the road, Apple TV / PS5 for the living room. Mac / my custom built PC for desktop gaming.
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Dr Bass
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If these M processors were made to work in other OS environments that would be correct. But they are literally engineered for Unix(Ios) use and applications. None Apple Software its still up in the air as these chips are still new relatively speaking and non apple/adobe FP encoding software is still not tested compared to PC counterpart. So no according to these leaked benchmarks from literally couple weeks ago those numbers they throw at you are specific numbers for specific tasks which is what the M1/M1X chips were made for.
Intel/amd MAKE cpu's that are varied for their purpose and use case. Which is why in these leaked charts M1X stacks well in Cinebench, and Video encode benchmarks within their own iOS environment.
But if you compare them to things outside of apple they still dont kill the playing field like you state.
Single core tests:
Multicore tests:
And thats against a AMD apu NOT their any of their flagship Ryzen or Threadripper.
If you configure a lenovo or MSI wa Workstation with a combo of the latest Intel Xeon or Ryzen 9 with a nvidia or Radeon render card the performance is different depending on applications. AND since M1/X chips are only on apple's platform its hard to say how they stack on more Windows/Business based applications.
Considering an "M1X" was not announced, and instead we got M1 pro and max (stupid naming, but whatever) lets see what the top end actually benchmarks at when the devices are released.
Also you're comparing Apple's new MOBILE CHIP to Intel's flagship desktop. You do understand that part right? And even if Apple doesn't improve on these tests, Apple is hanging with Intel's flagship at a lower power draw in a thin laptop.
The desktop stuff isn't even released yet. So yeah .. Apple is curb stomping everyone right now. I don't even wish this was the case, I think Apple has turned incredibly arrogant and greedy, but reality is reality. Denying it doesn't do anyone any favors.
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Unknown Soldier
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Apple is just trolling their user base now. A notch on a laptop screen. Now I really have seen everything.
I'm happy with my 13" M1 MBP. The screen has no notch, and honestly I've come to like the Touch Bar. I'm not feeling any compelling urge to upgrade anytime soon.
I'm happy with my 13" M1 MBP. The screen has no notch, and honestly I've come to like the Touch Bar. I'm not feeling any compelling urge to upgrade anytime soon.
Panajev2001a
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They started counting equivalent performance from fixed function units instead only from Shader ALU’s (which would have been in the 200 GFLOPS-ish range, I forgot the exact number though).
Cyberpunkd
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It wouldn't go with Apple's focus on privacy and not selling your user data. Which is exactly the reason many people choose Apple and pay a premium vs. Android.
These numbers, 8 core, 10 core, 32 cores, are meaningless. The way Apple promote these numbers with "X more powerful", they never change. Even benchmark are pretty useless, something people should have learned from '90 but for some reason they are still used to shoot numbers.
The only metric is real applications such as programs and games. I will wait for real tests.
Edit: M1Max have 32 core, 10.4TF GPU. In par with a 3060 MaxQ am I right? Not that powerful after all.
I really don't understand why Apple still put power efficient cpu in the Pro line. For long term works you already have Macbook Air and the base Pro, so I think is useless to have a Pro device which is not pushed to its limit because it has to last 10 hr.
The only metric is real applications such as programs and games. I will wait for real tests.
Edit: M1Max have 32 core, 10.4TF GPU. In par with a 3060 MaxQ am I right? Not that powerful after all.
I really don't understand why Apple still put power efficient cpu in the Pro line. For long term works you already have Macbook Air and the base Pro, so I think is useless to have a Pro device which is not pushed to its limit because it has to last 10 hr.
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Papacheeks
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My point regardless still stands. They can only curb stomp apps within Ecco system. Outside of that there are shit tons of uses for cpu/gpu.
And ryzen 6th gen for laptops announced they are doubling core counts across the board.
So again these new chips may be the king in final cut, audio production, adobe. But these are all production specific and also that is not scalable across other PS for things like davinci resolve, zbrush, maya, Cad, etc.
There is a much larger spectrum cpu/gpu are used from and literally there are no real world bench marks yet.
Also these chips are same ones going into iMac if I’m not mistaken?
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Marques Brownlee says what I was saying when it comes to specific workflows like FInal Cut these chips are a huge deal. But in outside applications its a case by case use if the app is designed or optimized to take advantage of the chips.
Literally talks about these chips compared to Intel "MAC" chips as in to MAC only environment. Which was my entire point because your blanket statement was just plain wrong when were talking all available CPU's in the laptop space outside of MAC OS.
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Weird that they didn’t include HDMI 2.1, but if I’m going to use an external display in my office or at home then I’d plug it into the TB port. I guess the HDMI port is for plugging into a TV or projector at work in a hotel or something. I wonder if lack of HDMI 2.1 had to do with thermals. Maybe you can get HDMI 2.1 with a TB dongle? IDK
The notch is so dumb. What percentage of users actually use a laptop webcam in such a way that you can justify giving up the screen real estate? Should've just done a solution similar to Huawei, and lived with the slightly wonky camera angle.
ipukespiders
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Maiden Voyage
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LTT has 2 vids on the MB. Same title for both.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I think this is what takes it from elegance to average. The notch is just bad design.
All that user data they could sell... even more money left on the table.
I could care less if anyone knows my listening habits, Spotify is already selling that data.
ForAcademicPurposes
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Laptop with a notch
Apple pls
Apple pls
Badlucktroll
Member
Release date FINALLY
www.cnet.com
MacOS Monterey release date: Apple launches its new OS today
Apple's released its newest operating system for Macs and MacBooks on Monday, Oct. 25.
www.cnet.com
crazepharmacist
Member
How much will they give you for that you think?
Badlucktroll
Member
$550 quoted.
Hari Seldon
Member
I haven’t purchased a Mac in a long time now that I daily drive Linux. But I kind of wanted one just for GarageBand. Can you dual boot arm Linux on these?
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Bitmap Frogs
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I daily drive Linux but honestly I find macs very nice looking.
If only Apple released their drivers and allowed boot camp style Linux installation…
LordOfChaos
Member
Anyone 'member how AMD was on the HSA (this new magic unified memory) train so long ago with Kaveri (or earlier?), but didn't have the clout to really gain adoption?
I 'member. Wonder where we would be if it did and became a PC standard years ago.
I 'member. Wonder where we would be if it did and became a PC standard years ago.
sendit
Member
Yep. Pointless notch if Face Id isn't there. Next revision will probably include face ID (next year).