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[AstroNut325]

Next gen IS needed.

Next gen being successful? I'm seriously starting to have my doubts.

So what you're saying is that everyone is quitting hardcore gaming and going to smart phones and tablets for their gaming needs.

 

[Wickerbasket]

Naturally. I'd make the same argument about the Vita. It's a sound one.

If sales were poor on PC I doubt EA would have made Origin to try and get a piece of the Digital pie.

 

[AranhaHunter]

we haven't had a pretty month in 3 years.

I'm gonna try this and tell me how close or far I am.

PSP < 5K < PSV < 20K < WiiU < Wii < 70K < PS3 < 110K < 3DS < 360 = 130K

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

This generation has lasted at LEAST 2 years too long as far as hardware sales go. Just ridiculous. It blows my mind when I really think about how long they've been stretching it. TBH it might have made things worse for themselves in the long-run because the longer they wait the more people move on.

To be clear, don't think anyone will fail nearly as hard as the wiiU, Nintendo straight fucked that up. But man, they waited too long.

 

[GulAtiCa]

Why no Wii U numbers lately?

same reason no Vita numbers. Better to keep quite then to reveal how bad your new system is doing..

 

[DopeyFish]

Next gen IS needed.

Next gen being successful? I'm seriously starting to have my doubts.

call of duty still sells 20 million copies, no?

i think there should be no doubt

 

[Dave Meltzer]

They obviously are huge competition but i still think the bigger issue for the vita and 3DS comes from Sony and Nintendo. Overpriced hardware, overpriced software and just so few (if any) must have games. Constant and large software droughts, bad brand recognition and just poor advertising in general.

Against smartphones and tablets things were always going to be different but i think we could have seen some better results if they didn't both drop the ball completely.

Smartphones have lowered the acceptable price for portable software.

$40 is flat out retarded in this day and age. It's not so much the hardware price, it's the whole ecosystem.

 

[Coolwhip]

Considering we don't know what they might announce tomorrow, Pikmin is just a placeholder lineup.....

Well, it's already 6 months and counting..

 

[wrowa]

Why no Wii U numbers lately?

Why would Nintendo want to show the world that their console isn't selling?

 

[Lexxism]

LOL. 3DS below 130k. That's really bad.

 

[sajj316]

Price cuts are needed!!

 

[Duxxy3]

Is this the first time in the industry where EVERYTHING is considered over priced?

PS3/360 should be $199 by now
Wii U should be under $250
Vita should be under $200
3DS should be under $150

 

[AniHawk]

the pricing should be, right now:

vita - $170
3ds: $100
xbox 360: $100
ps3: $100
wii: $80

instead, microsoft and sony have tried staying around the $300 mark for about 4 years now, which is lunacy. i doubt they'd be able to do such a thing next gen with the market contracting.

 

[Edag Plata]

call of duty still sells 20 million copies, no?

i think there should be no doubt

One game doesn't drive an industry. It may have a huge influence and help, but it can't do it alone.

 

[Last Hearth]

Everything is fine, nothing to see here, the industry is not in trouble at all, next gen will save us.

 

[Sandfox]

The core (the natural early adopters) will definitely be split down the middle at the start this upcoming gen. It's an either/or proposition and only tech enthusiasts with money to burn or scalpers will buy both.

People will buy the one with the better exclusives and whatever their friends are getting when it comes to a choice between those two.

the pricing should be, right now:

vita - $170
3ds: $100
xbox 360: $100
ps3: $100
wii: $80

instead, microsoft and sony have tried staying around the $300 mark for about 4 years now, which is lunacy. i doubt they'd be able to do such a thing next gen with the market contracting.

So you want everyone to make little to no(if not losing) money?

 

[AdventureRacing]

Smartphones have lowered the acceptable price for portable software.

$40 is flat out retarded in this day and age. It's not so much the hardware price, it's the whole ecosystem.

It's hardware and software price that is causing problems. That plus there is just so little software available.

 

[Mrbob]

These numbers don't surprise me. Look at how long console hardware prices have stayed high. PS3 and 360 both should be under $149 right now for the premium models.

 

[Pooya]

so how much is Pachter's "great"? ....

he's probably taking MK debut into consideration.

 

[MikeE21286]

Price cuts will come at E3.

Large ones too...they have to

 

[PreyingShark]

call of duty still sells 20 million copies, no?

i think there should be no doubt

The next CoD will be on PS360.

That is why people have doubts.

 

[theviolenthero]

3DS below 130k is tragic.

3rd party retail games released for the Wii U in April were:

Injustice: God's Among Us



3rd party retail games released for the 3ds in April were:

Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers

 

[UberTag]

call of duty still sells 20 million copies, no?

i think there should be no doubt

It'll continue to sell millions of copies on current gen systems no question.
Ask Nintendo how Black Ops II sales on Wii U have gone for them.

 

[Concept17]

I really hope Sony gives a healthy price drop for the PS3 come E3. Just a nice "well after GT6 we're kinda done here, so now its cheap, like it should be."

But we all know Sony likes to squeeze every last sale out of each price point.

 

[Plinko]

So what you're saying is that everyone is quitting hardcore gaming and going to smart phones and tablets for their gaming needs.

Not entirely. What I'm saying is that I see a possibility that sales numbers don't reach anywhere near where they were last generation. With budgets where they are now, if those sales don't reach back to those numbers, the industry is in for a serious world of hurt.

I also worry that initial sales numbers of PS4 and Nextbox will be great and then fall off a cliff soon after.

 

[equippedwithtowel]

Smartphones have lowered the acceptable price for portable software.

$40 is flat out retarded in this day and age. It's not so much the hardware price, it's the whole ecosystem.

Skimping over the tactful use of retarded, I'd point out that the higher end of 3DS softare is doing decently for itself.

 

[Margalis]

i think we'll see one victor rather quickly with another one dropping behind.

I suspect this will be true but on an awkward regional basis.

 

[Puppet Shadow]

But Smartphones aren't competition.

Sure they are. Not in the sense of playing games (with decent controls), but for using up people's free time.

Every hour someone is spending playing around on their smart phone, that's time not spent doing portable gaming. Social media keeps people too damn occupied.

 

[AniHawk]

I'm gonna try this and tell me how close or far I am.

PSP < 5K < PSV < 20K < WiiU < Wii < 70K < PS3 < 110K < 3DS < 360 = 130K

i thought you were creamsugar for a moment.

i will assume wii u sales will slot between 20k and 30k. that's down from my earlier prediction of 30k-35k.

 

[Kazerei]

3DS less than 130k? Ruh roh.

 

[Catchpenny]

May 16, 2013: The day GAF woke up and realized the entire traditional gaming industry is facing trouble, not just a Sony handheld and a Nintendo oddity.

 

[jetjevons]

NSMBU attachment rate has got to be pretty much 1:1 right?

 

[AniHawk]

So you want everyone to make little to no(if not losing) money?

raise the consumer base, sell more games, make more money.

 

[SmokyDave]

I suspect this will be true but on an awkward regional basis.

US = Durango, Europe = PS4, Japan = 3DS.

 

[Coolwhip]

Price cuts will come at E3.

Large ones too...they have to

Doubt it really. It will only make the ps4 and 720 look more expensive. 250 is already cheap for consumer electronics.

 

[Miles X]

May 16, 2013: The day GAF woke up and realized the entire traditional gaming industry is facing trouble, not just a Sony handheld and a Nintendo oddity.

Given the handhelds and WiiU are new, and PS360 are 7/8 years old. No. To say PS360 are in trouble is laughable.

 

[Y2Kev]

Torrible is the word I'd use.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

May 16, 2013: The day GAF woke up and realized the entire traditional gaming industry is facing trouble, not just a Sony handheld and a Nintendo oddity.

not really, there are a zillion factors to take into consideration here.

 

[Gadirok]

Does NPD only count US sales or Canada as well?

 

[Daingurse]

Injustice deserves the sales, I'm enjoying the hell outta it. Capcom needs to get on NetherRealms level as far as single player campaigns and extra content is concerned.

 

[spwolf]

the pricing should be, right now:

vita - $170
3ds: $100
xbox 360: $100
ps3: $100
wii: $80

instead, microsoft and sony have tried staying around the $300 mark for about 4 years now, which is lunacy. i doubt they'd be able to do such a thing next gen with the market contracting.

you do realize that to get those prices, it means end of life sales for all those consoles? They dont make money on them now, so I dont see why do you think they would sell them at loss... they would likely just disband their gaming units and industry will mostly go away as we know it.


software sales are good though... means people are playing.

 

[jetjevons]

Not in the sense of playing games (with decent controls)

My IOS controls on Plants Vs. Zombies seem just fine.

 

[AniHawk]

Given the handhelds and WiiU are new, and PS360 are 7/8 years old. No. To say PS360 are in trouble is laughable.

but if we get to next april and the best-selling console is still around 150k, that won't be good. sony and microsoft are late, and it's going to make the first year of the new generation pretty rough.

 

[Coldnoodle]

Torrible is the word I'd use.

Horriawful.

 

[Jotamide]

Wow Injustice, still won't bite yet. Will wait for Komplete edition.

 

[I NEED SCISSORS]

Don't know whether to feel sorry for Nintendo at this point or just relish in the schadenfreude.

 

[Concept17]

Torrible is the word I'd use.

Tuuuurrrible is better.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

the pricing should be, right now:

vita - $170
3ds: $100
xbox 360: $100
ps3: $100
wii: $80

instead, microsoft and sony have tried staying around the $300 mark for about 4 years now, which is lunacy. i doubt they'd be able to do such a thing next gen with the market contracting.

I think Nintendo would loose a lot of money if they lower the price of the WiiU.
Sony and MS on the other hand could do it and I am pretty sure they will. Sony has a strong LineUp for the Ps3 and with a pricecut the Ps3 would sell very good.
Although, if Sony and MS cut the prices of their CurrentGen consoles the WiiU will suffer even more.

I guess Vita gets a pricecut when Tearaway and Killzone are released. Like in japan, some games and pricut could make for some decent weeks.

 

[GitarooMan]

May 16, 2013: The day GAF woke up and realized the entire traditional gaming industry is facing trouble, not just a Sony handheld and a Nintendo oddity.

I don't see that at all

 

[Miles X]

but if we get to next april and the best-selling console is still around 150k, that won't be good. sony and microsoft are late, and it's going to make the first year of the new generation pretty rough.

You're right it won't, but we can't begin to predict what they'll do based on WiiU and handheld current sales.