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Are Sony actually going to change the PS3 controller?

TTP said:
Your opinion.

Thank you captain obvious. Now, since you don't agree with my claim - please explain how analog buttons are superior to analog triggers for driving games. Or explain why any other input device other than real pedals is better than triggers.

You have a controller, you have a driving game. Whats better than triggers?
 
Friend of mine was on a press-thingy a while ago. He asked a guy (don't exactly remember who he asked) if he played with it, cause it looked kind of awkward.

The guy replied with 'No I didn't, but Sony is going to... Ah can't tell, NDA'

So don't know what Sony's got in store.
 
TTP said:
Your opinion.
Yeah, no one needs the better control, accuracy and feedback that triggers provide...

All analog button future!

Dr_Cogent said:
:lol, Didn't you just get done complaining about them?

You meant trigger, right?
It's a joke about the "usefulness/practicality" of said buttons. ;)
 
I never liked the Playstation controller(original, analog, dualshock, or dualshock2) mainly because no matter how long I played I never got use to the L2 and R2 buttons. My fingers get a very unatural feeling when I try to press them.
 
Cerebral Palsy said:
I've failed at trying to be a smartass?

:lol

Nah, I just failed to pick up on it. I'm in engineer mode at the moment I guess. Far too logical to pick up on sarcasm. Ha!

Speaking of which, I bet most of us gamers could switch over to controlling our cars with a game controller without a hitch.
 
ninge said:
yep - perhaps the guy who posted the topic speaks REAL english instead of the bastardised american version...
So singular nouns are followed by plural verbs outside of the United States?

Interesting.
 
Dr_Cogent said:
:lol

Nah, I just failed to pick up on it. I'm in engineer mode at the moment I guess. Far too logical to pick up on sarcasm. Ha!

Speaking of which, I bet most of us gamers could switch over to controlling our cars with a game controller without a hitch.

Only if my car seat sat around 7 feet back and 10-12 feet above the ground. I hate cockpit view in racing games. :lol
 
Dr_Cogent said:
Speaking of which, I bet most of us gamers could switch over to controlling our cars with a game controller without a hitch.
>Insert Revolution controller joke<

SKOPE said:
So singular nouns are followed by plural verbs outside of the United States?

Interesting.
We are Venom!
 
raYne said:
>Insert Revolution controller joke<

:lol Implementing a driving game with that remote seems like it would be a HUGE undertaking.

Also, I think Sony could learn a thing or two from MS. They should try to mimic the 360 controller more. I hate those smooth tops on the analog sticks.
 
If they're not going to redesign it, I hope the driver support exists that I can use the 360 controller on it. I really don't need them to "rip off" the Revolution at this point.

It seemed to me at E3 that they were making it obvious to western gamers that they weren't getting left behind with shooters and other western software this time around (the other stuff we already know will be there). That being the case, they need to have a controller that is more than just workable for all types of games. And though I like the dual shock, it doesn't really fit that bill.
 
iapetus said:
Ah, right. That's why I keep seeing in-depth discussions of the functionality of the controller based on the pictures rather than countless hilarious banana/croissant/batarang photoshops.


Looks are an important aspect. If looks didn't matter, we would all be wearing the same clothes, driving the same cars, and living in the same colored houses. It's no different than the hundreds of photoshopped Xbox pictures. Sure the looks didn't affect how it played, but people do buy things based on asthetics.

Honestly, the PS3 controller looks hawt when compared with the dual shock. I like the new looks and think it will be more comfortable.
 
Dr_Cogent said:
:lol Implementing a driving game with that remote seems like it would be a HUGE undertaking.

Also, I think Sony could learn a thing or two from MS. They should try to mimic the 360 controller more. I hate those smooth tops on the analog sticks.
"Left! left!"
"I am"
"No, rotate left!"
"I am!!"
"Not you! the controller!"
"Ooohh"
*crash*

Actually, as much as I love the look of the 360 controller, I'd rather Sony not go 360-light. Even considering their first version (heh) I'd like to see what they come up with.

Still, it'll be hard to not copy something from the 360 controller, since design-wise it's almost perfect. Triggers, shoulder buttons, no face analog buttons meaning no dead zone, left analog in primary position, the overall shape etc. The only possible way to improve on the 360 controller now is to add 2 more face buttons for the fighting fans.

Oh, and insert 3D "gyro" control for you Rev fans. ;)
 
I guess I am crazy but I actually like the DS2 best out of this gen. Anyone who finds the sticks slippery must have really buttery fingers, they are rubberized! I find my fingers slip off the plasticy gamecube and xbox sticks more. I also don't get the analog button hate? They where awsome in MGS3, Ace Combat (rudders), and ZOE2 (phalanx cannon). Also who the hell uses the buttons for gas/brake in driving games? The 2nd analog stick is much more precise.

I dunno about the boomerang though... its really very small. Anyone have that pic of a guy holding it?
 
I don't mind it so much...slap the SONY emblem on it and the masses will eat it up, but I'm surprized no one see's the flaw. I'm sorry, but I know alot of people who grip their controllers very hard and even harder as games get more intense. The way it's shaped, I think it would snap like a wishbone in some people's hands. This problem would only be amplified if they were to add "grip" control to it.
 
SKOPE said:
So singular nouns are followed by plural verbs outside of the United States?

No. Collective nouns can be treated as plural outside the United States. As they can inside the United States according to some people.
 
PS2controller.jpg


Sony's position is basically, "You'll probably hate it for a while, but over time you'll get used to it!"
 
iapetus said:
Maybe I'm a freak of some sort, but I care more about how a controller feels and how well it works as a controller than what it looks like. I mean, I can see how the hopelessly insecure might be concerned about the shape of their controller, but that's about it.
I think most of us care about how the feels too, but judging by pictures of the controller, it doesn't look comfortable.
 
ninge said:
yep - perhaps the guy who posted the topic speaks REAL english instead of the bastardised american version...

Bah, give me bastardized American English any day of the week for no other reason than our curse words are so much better. fucking, ass, and balls >>>> bloody, arse, and bollocks
 
Dr_Cogent said:
The thing is, hands on impressions from someone else won't really help. You have to hold it for yourself and for an extended period of time. I find the dual shock 2 deplorable, but some people like it.

Exactly. Most of this board (and I suspect most of today's gamers) love the Dual Shock, while I think it's a piece of shit. So hearing what people have to say about this or any other controller isn't gonna clear things up one way or another for me.

Truth be told I don't think this Boomerang controller looks any less comfortable then the Dual Shock...that's how much I hate it. And yet I've still been able to use it, in spite of itself. So it really doesn't matter...Sony knows that everyone will bend over regardless.






genjiZERO said:
I've never been able to figure this out, why do people want triggers? I don't see why they're funtionally needed. Maybe if you want to change the rate of firing a gun. But couldn't you just use a analog button or that?

As some others noted, it's all about the racers. I've got nowhere to use a steering wheel (and they're a bit too pricey anyway), so the controller has got to do. A solid controller is more then capable of delivering the goods for a racer. And analog buttons are just poor substitutions...they're not in the same galaxy as triggers for total control.






Dr_Cogent said:
Isn't the 360 doing away with them?

Funny, I never knew the XBox controller had them in the first place. Says it all really.





TTP said:
Your opinion.

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Xrenity said:
Friend of mine was on a press-thingy a while ago. He asked a guy (don't exactly remember who he asked) if he played with it, cause it looked kind of awkward.

The guy replied with 'No I didn't, but Sony is going to... Ah can't tell, NDA'

So don't know what Sony's got in store.

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I knew Nintendo showed their shit too soon...
 
Flo_Evans said:
I guess I am crazy but I actually like the DS2 best out of this gen. Anyone who finds the sticks slippery must have really buttery fingers, they are rubberized! I find my fingers slip off the plasticy gamecube and xbox sticks more. I also don't get the analog button hate? They where awsome in MGS3, Ace Combat (rudders), and ZOE2 (phalanx cannon). Also who the hell uses the buttons for gas/brake in driving games? The 2nd analog stick is much more precise.
I feel the same way. Dualshock 2 was by far the best controller this gen, it just feels so comfortable to use. Im just wishing that if Sony have changed the PS3 controller its something more like the dualshock.
 
Minotauro said:
Bah, give me bastardized American English any day of the week for no other reason than our curse words are so much better. fucking, ass, and balls >>>> bloody, arse, and bollocks

Dogs Bollocks sound better than Dog Balls
 
Minotauro said:
Bah, give me bastardized American English any day of the week for no other reason than our curse words are so much better. fucking, ass, and balls >>>> bloody, arse, and bollocks
cunt > twat

Personally, I'm looking forward to the PS3 controller the least of the next gen controllers...the shape really does bug me...

though I prolly shouldn't be judging it this early...it's so damn hard not to
 
Thanks a lot for turning this thread into a debate about which English is better! If you want to argue about it make a thread about it. Stick to the main topic!

btw....England English is way better than the horrible American English
 
They'll change it. I know so because I sent them an email in which I let them know that I think the current one looks naff.
 
callous said:
They'll change it. I know so because I sent them an email in which I let them know that I think the current one looks naff.
Well that settles that!

After the initial unveiling, and probably the feedback they got from it, they already said that changes should be expected since it apparently wasn't final*.

*
Uh huh..

Wakune said:
Let's just leave it at this: you don't see people in England imitating American English :b
The Queen's English isn't imitated by Americans because it sounds good.... :lol
 
Dr_Cogent said:
Thank you captain obvious. Now, since you don't agree with my claim - please explain how analog buttons are superior to analog triggers for driving games. Or explain why any other input device other than real pedals is better than triggers.

You have a controller, you have a driving game. Whats better than triggers?

1st) You push pedals and pull triggers, two different moves and guess what, pushing a button is a closer move to pushing a pedal.

2nd) The tactical/muscolar feedback you get when applying different pressures to a button is much more precise and "telling" than just guessing how much room you got left when pulling a trigger.

3rd) Analog buttons also act on a more subtle level. Play GT4 and dont even think about the analog functionality of it controls but just look at how the break/acceleration bars go up and down during manouvers. You will find yourslef slightly accelerating (instead of just accelerating) to avoid a spin out of a tight turn or slightly breaking (instead than just breaking) when entering a soft turn even if you are just acting on a button.

4th) You should just give it a serious try before having an opinion.
 
I have a feeling they're going to copy Nintendo. That would be completely shameless, but I wouldn't put it past Sony, especailly since DS is kicking their ass in Japan, that might have been a wakeup call.
 
TTP said:
1st) You push pedals and pull triggers, two different moves and guess what pushing a button is a closer move to pushing a pedal.

2nd) The tactical/muscolar feedback you get when applying different pressures to a button is much more precise and "telling" than just guessing how much room you got left when pulling a trigger.

3rd) Analog buttons also act on a more subtle level. Play GT4 and dont even think about the analog functionality of it controls but just look at how the break/acceleration bars go up and down during manouvers. You will find yourslef slightly accelerating (instead of just accelerating) to avoid a spin out of a tight turn or slightly breaking (instead than just breaking) when entering a soft turn even if you are just acting on a button.

4th) You should just give it a serious try before having an opinion.
You must be joking?
 
Lack of triggers is fine as long as they have a good true force feedback steering wheel for racing games.

While I completely agree that having L/R buttons as triggers makes racing games and FPS games control much better, they also make action games and most genres beside those two control much worse. Imagine playing something like DMC3 with triggers :\ Ninja Gaiden would've been much better with the blocking/camera adjustment on normal buttons.

So I'd rather them go with buttons which are better for 80% of the genre, and just supply a great steering wheel to make up for racing games. FPS fans will just have to live with 'pressing a button to shoot' rather than 'pulling a trigger like a real weapon'.
 
soundwave05 said:
I have a feeling they're going to copy Nintendo. That would be completely shameless, but I wouldn't put it past Sony, especailly since DS is kicking their ass in Japan, that might have been a wakeup call.
they've done it before, so why not. i wouldn't be suprised.

although if they did it, i think they'd just throw the functions in there if anything. at most split the controller in two.
 
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