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[Trunx81]

Blade Runner. They just wanted to live.

 

[GeekyDad]

Zod is also a bit dumb using a sea of skulls to bring across his argument if it's meant to be sympathetic, if anything, it will strengthen the resolve of those against him...

Well, it was obvious (at least I think so), even when he was still on Krypton, that his hurt had turned to a burning rage. People don't typically think clearly when they're enraged.

 

[T4keD0wN]

Judge Lawrence Wargrave.

Is J. Jonah Jameson considered a villain? because he is portrayed as one and he's pretty spot on about Spider-man.

This thread is pretty tame so far, where are all the Molag Bal supporters at?

 

[Grildon Tundy]

My comment got deleted--a first for me! Thought it was vague enough that it didn't need spoilers but...spoilers ahead for Hogwarts Legacy:

Spoiler

I thought the villain in HL made sense (the lady, not the goblin). Unless I'm missing something, I don't even think she was aware of the negative effects of her decision, since they happened when she was off-screen, so when the "good guys" merc'd her, I laughed as it came off a little premature

 

[John Bilbo]

Breaking Bad spoilers:

Was Gus Fring the better man when compared to Walter White?

I don't know what arguments Fring made precisely, but I got a gut feeling he was the more sensible business man out of the two in the end.

Maybe I'll watch the series again to see.

 

[BadBurger]

Viggo in John Wick. Sure, he was a gangster, but he was just trying to protect his son against a former hitman who was so monstrous they told scary folktales about him in the criminal underworld.

 

[AJUMP23]

Viggo in John Wick. Sure, he was a gangster, but he was just trying to protect his son against a former hitman who was so monstrous they told scary folktales about him in the criminal underworld.

Whatever his son killed the man's dog.

 

[AlteredForms]

Blade Runner. They just wanted to live.

"The candle that burns twice as bright lasts half as long."

 

[Fuz]

I've always wondered about that with certain screenplays. Todd Phillip's Joker is another character that many found themselves empathizing with.
Up until he murders the host, they made it very easy to feel pity for the character and his circumstances.

Also after he murdered the host.

 

[AJUMP23]

Good ol' Cameron "the Avatar" coming in hot.

“I can relate to Thanos,” Cameron told Time. “I thought he had a pretty viable answer. The problem is nobody is going to put up their hand to volunteer to be the half that has to go.”

James Cameron Is Reconsidering a Few Things

But he still wants those Avatar skeptics to know they were wrong

time.com

 

[Fuz]

People still think that idiot of thanos had a good plan uh?

Hollywood writers are idiots. And their audience.

Not Thanos.

 

[GymWolf]

Hollywood writers are idiots. And their audience.

Not Thanos.

He had a ballsack chin tho.

 

[0neAnd0nly]

What do you mean by that?

It was a joke about how Kanye professed sympathy for a certain worldwide villain.

 

[Fuz]

It was a joke about how Kanye professed sympathy for a certain worldwide villain.

Be put on record that I always said kayne was a moron, even when everyone else loved and praised him as a genius.

 

[RaduN]

A.I in MGS2

Griffith in Berserk

Éren in Aot

 

[OmegaSupreme]

A.I in MGS2

Griffith in Berserk

Éren in Aot

 

[GymWolf]

If you don't betray and kill your entire circle of friends and fuck the girl of your best friend at least 1 time a year you are basically a villain.

He is right.

 

[RaduN]

The thread is about compelling arguments, not sympatethic villain
Post eclispe Griffith is almost the hero of the story...almost.

 

[Billbofet]

Heat:
Rooted for DeNiro so hard. Hated Paccino so much!

 

[Kraz]

She had ability and just wanted to learn.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Blade Runner. They just wanted to live.

And had no qualms about murdering people to get it.

 

[Ballthyrm]

I don't think Jaime is a Villain, especially by GoT standards.

 

[Grildon Tundy]

I don't think Jaime is a Villain, especially by GoT standards.

Depends on where you are in the story and what context you have for his actions, imo. He was on the heel-turn/baby-face carousel lol

 

[Brazen]

I don't think Jaime is a Villain, especially by GoT standards.

No disagreements there he is more a tragic hero archetype if you look at his character as a whole. However, villains become who they are and can be unmade over a long period of progression. In that particular scene and in the context of who he's conversing with imo he's a villain in the moment so it's why I thought it appropriate.

 

[Trunx81]

And had no qualms about murdering people to get it.

Yeah, he goes full Nathan Drake sometimes

 

[pramod]

 

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Johnny Lawrence

It's the entire basis for Kobra Kai and the issue was noted well before we got an official series based on the issue

 

[AlteredForms]

Johnny Lawrence

It's the entire basis for Kobra Kai and the issue was noted well before we got an official series based on the issue

"Get an 'F' on a test, you get suspended. Fall in love with a girl, some dude comes in and steals her away?!

 

[John_Ryder]

Saruman to Gandalf:
“You do not hesistate to sacrifice those closest to you, those you profess to love. Tell me... what words of comfort did you give the halfling before you sent him to his doom? The path that you have set him on can only lead to death.”

 

[mortal]

Also after he murdered the host.

I'd argue less so.

I think murdering the host was an unjustified act. Yes, Arthur had a horrible upbringing and was essentially abandoned by the social programs of Gotham, but I don't think that warranted murdering a man that was resistible for any of that.

 

[Trunx81]

Disney thought that Maleficent made quite a good statement and redeemed her

And how can we just forget Spike from Buffy?

 

[Durien]

I don't think Jaime is a Villain, especially by GoT standards.

I agree. I started writing an essay and then erased it all as no one wants a book. <ain't no one got time for that.gif> my opinion is Jaime often does the right thing (with the exception of Bran, which even then he did to protect Cersi more than himself). I think the show rushes his character a long but Jaime normally does things for 2 reasons. He feels it's his duty and/or the love of his siblings. Most of the time I think Jaime gets the short end of the stick and he does the best he can with the hand he's dealt.

 

[AJUMP23]

Johnny Lawrence

It's the entire basis for Kobra Kai and the issue was noted well before we got an official series based on the issue

Disagree. Cobra Kai sucked.

 

[Durien]

I would say Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now has a pretty compelling argument.

 

[FullMetalx117]

All this talk about Thanos, and it’s on my mind because I finished this show recently - The Leftovers was a result of Thanos!

 

[BearNecessity]

Tuvix obviously needed to die. Its so weird that people disagree.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Falling Down. Maybe.

 

[pramod]

Thanos' argument never made any sense imho.

Yeah maybe if ur an ass backwads primitive society like earth, maybe. But with all his technology and power he could have helped turn the entire galaxy into an utopia that could sustain a million times more life than it did.

 

[Vestal]

His argument of standing strong with the men/women that we send out to do our dirty work. Its one I think we all can cling to.

 

[Celcius]

Thanos instantly comes to mind

 

[OZ9000]

His argument of standing strong with the men/women that we send out to do our dirty work. Its one I think we all can cling to.

Truly an amazing movie. I would watch it over and over again.

 

[clem84]

How can you not sympathize with this guy's plight?

 

[GeekyDad]

Heat:
Rooted for DeNiro so hard. Hated Paccino so much!

That one's a little grey, though, don'tcha think?

Yes, Pacino's character was an egomaniac, and DeNiro's character was thoughtful, intelligent, and kind, all things considered (his behavior when he first meets the love interest, and his behavior during the bank heist, when he tries to calm the bank customers with logic and empathy).

But...

Did you think he made a "compelling argument" (title of the thread)?

 

[Grildon Tundy]

His argument of standing strong with the men/women that we send out to do our dirty work. Its one I think we all can cling to.

That was great. I need to watch The Rock again.

 

[Batiman]

Darth Vader.

He just wanted to bring order to the galaxy

 

[Chronicle]

Fuckin A, Bane needed to smash that bitch Batman!

 

[Jaybe]

 

[Patrick S.]

The apes in "Planet of the Apes"
Andrew Ryan in "BioShock"
Max Cady in "Cape Fear"

 

[mansoor1980]

His argument of standing strong with the men/women that we send out to do our dirty work. Its one I think we all can cling to.

the best , ed-harris is GOAT

 

[Brian Fellows]

Not the villain but Jami Gertz's character in Twister was the only reasonable person in that movie and the rest of those assholes all deserved to die.