ARIZONA!! We will now most likely get to see Obama's Birth Certificate
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speculawyer
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GrotesqueBeauty
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I get it. You're one of those guys.elrechazao said:
ClovingWestbrook
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:lol :lol :lolspeculawyer said:
If what these birthers says are true, then the states of IL and HI, the entire U.S government, every U.S court, every anti-Obama admin self-interest group, the Democratic and Republican parties and the entire news media all missed or (covered-up!) that Obama is a Kenyan. :lol Or maybe thery're all apart of the vast conspiracy!
elrechazado
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And they started within a week of his birth by contemporaneously putting a birth announcement in the hawaii newspapers. It all makes sense!Averon said:
GrotesqueBeauty said:
People who can read and write?
HomerSimpson-Man
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:lolspeculawyer said:
speculawyer
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Here is all Obama needs to do to win Arizona . . . run this ad in spanish on the local spanish stations:
"You know what it is like to be hassled by cranky white government officials about your papers? WELL I SURE DO! Vote for me, Barack Obama."
"You know what it is like to be hassled by cranky white government officials about your papers? WELL I SURE DO! Vote for me, Barack Obama."
Solideliquid
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So embarrassed to be living in AZ right now, GAF. Shame I'm stuck here for work for the next year.
GrotesqueBeauty
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No, the flippant solipsist. I think we've already established we can all read and write here, although implying the contrary is certainly cute. You're more interested in how you come across than taking someone's meaning in earnest. Your original question is moot, because people already have to pass certain standards of eligibility to attain office. This legislation isn't a good faith effort, and a even the most cursory reading of the situation makes it pretty obvious it's the result of masked racism and paranoia. For someone who's so well read you have a lot of trouble reading between the lines, although apparently you find your own density to be a mark of great intellect.elrechazao said:
Actually that law wasn't passed until after McCain's birth. When McCain was born and for part of his childhood, he was a Panamanian citizen, not legally American. But when the law went into effect, it also worked retroactively... which is why he could run.Gaborn said:
Still, I think that's a lot fishier than Obama's so-called questioned citizenship. Obviously a stupid and completely unsubstantiated accusation tossed out by some crazy looking for something to cast doubt on him, and everyone ate it up... and even when it was proven wrong, which was as easy as asking someone, people still believe it to this day.
Stuff like this makes me lose hope for this country. The frightened masses will believe what the frighteners tell them to believe... even when cold hard evidence to the contrary is shoved down their throats.
Anyway, sorry Gaborn that wasn't all directed towards you... just the military bases-citizenship law factoids. I just got a little carried away
elrechazado
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"People already have to pass certain standards of eligibility" - When do they do this, and what body certifies these results? Have you investigated the standing issues that the courts have raised in response to challenges to eligibility not just for this particular politician, but others? Evidently not.GrotesqueBeauty said:
Do you enjoy arguing with yourself? Because I never said this legislation was a good idea, and in fact specifically said the opposite. Again, I'd suggest seeking out someone with the ability to read to help you on on this.
elrechazado
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Many people in this thread are confusing "born in the US" and what the constitution actually says, which is "natural born citizen" For a definition see: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html "born in the US" isn't the only way you are a citizen, and McCain was never "not legally american".Carlisle said:
Korey said:
correct, see the link above: "Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S."
Carlisle said:
Don't worry about it man. Personally I'm glad that they changed that law, and honestly I wouldn't have a problem with changing the citizenship requirement. I say that if the public wants to vote for someone and they're an experienced, qualified candidate they should be allowed to run.
speculawyer
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Gaborn said:
elrechazao said:
Here is a video of his wife saying his home country is Kenya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk3OMRqO7aY
elrechazado
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as if we needed more evidence....it's all so clear.Norml said:
Ok, looked into it further. Right now it's unclear. All the constitution says is that you have to be a "natural born citizen", which most understand to be citizen by birth as opposed to naturalized later, but nowhere does it explicitly define "natural born citizen" either way.Gaborn said:
They dodged a bullet with McCain, but they should probably get that cleared up in an amendment sometime.
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I am very happy to be able to live in the US, its very convenient ... but man am I glad Im not a citizen and dont have to relate to some of these people :|
milanbaros
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Genuine question. What happens if someone was born on holiday in a foreign land? Would he still be able to?
That's what the debate is, but most likely yes. If you are born to US citizen parents overseas you are automatically a citizen. But are you a "natural born citizen"? Most would say yes, but the Constitution doesn't say specifically and there hasn't been that case yet for a precedent.milanbaros said:
Count Dookkake
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Wouldn't it be easier to just bar blacks from the ballot?
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