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[Blunoise]

Here's the ARMS stuff from Wednesday Night Fights last night: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/153540261?t=00h42m59s

EDIT: Actual tourney starts here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/153540261?t=01h25m33s

Where are you guys finding all these tourneys ?

 

[TheGoreMagala]

Come on dude, seriously? The video you just linked Jorpenn's first opponent is using an electric Arm, and at 5:05 he comments that double electric makes him want to die. While he could've been sarcastic, I took that as he doesn't like fighting against double electric.

Also, I don't feel like testing right now... okay maybe I will in a minute, but I've hit you with electrics when you had double Lights equipped and faster mediums equipped. Don't tell me they're easy to avoid or people just jump.

Finally, when I stopped at rank 10 there were VERY few players above that rank. Most of the people who are rank 15 now (Leafy and yourself for example) were rank 10 when I stopped playing ranked.

EDIT: And Jorpenn gets hit multiple times with the opponent's Thunderbird (one of the slower electric Arms in the game) and never once jumped. Just stop dude...

If anything I would argue that as someone using a tactic that isn't commonly used (and doing so well) in order to get in the opponent's head since it's not something you see in this game often.

After all that's what I do with Helix.

Furthermore light arms aren't always used. Someone may always have a popper variant in there as one of the three but in general medium arms like the Ram Ram and Bubb are used commonly as well

 

[heringer]

Guys, a couple of questions:

1) When grabbing, some characters first hit the opponent for 50 or so damage, then they throw for 150. The 150 damage is the total damage or does that adds up to the 50 damage from the strike?

2) Does your score affect how many boxes appear in the get arms minigame?

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

Come on dude, seriously? The video you just linked Jorpenn's first opponent is using an electric Arm, and at 5:05 he comments that double electric makes him want to die. While he could've been sarcastic, I took that as he doesn't like fighting against double electric.

Also, I don't feel like testing right now... okay maybe I will in a minute, but I've hit you with electrics when you had double Lights equipped and faster mediums equipped. Don't tell me they're easy to avoid or people just jump.

Finally, when I stopped at rank 10 there were VERY few players above that rank. Most of the people who are rank 15 now (Leafy and yourself for example) were rank 10 when I stopped playing ranked.

EDIT: And Jorpenn gets hit multiple times with the opponent's Thunderbird (one of the slower electric Arms in the game) and never once jumped. Just stop dude...

Later in the video, he actually defends electric on the basis that they are slow to attack.

 

[DrDogg]

If anything I would argue that as someone using a tactic that isn't commonly used (and doing so well) in order to get in the opponent's head since it's not something you see in this game often.

Furthermore light arms aren't always used. Someone may have a popper variant in there but in general medium arms like the Ram Ram and Bubb are used commonly as well

I don't follow. Are you saying people are only using electrics as a mind game to get in someone's head?

I mean you blatantly stated you don't see electric Arms and downplay how good they are, then link to a video that has electrics Arms in 2 of the first 3 matches with a comment that the streamer (a rank 15) doesn't like fighting against electric Arms.

Also, in that same video, I see quite a few light Arms.

Guys, a couple of questions:

1) When grabbing, some characters first hit the opponent for 50 or so damage, then they throw for 150. The 150 damage is the total damage or does that adds up to the 50 damage from the strike?

2) Does your score affect how many boxes appear in the get arms minigame?

1. 150 is the combined total damage.

2. The higher your score generally the faster you're clearing targets, and the faster you're moving on to the next wave of targets. New boxes spawn with new waves of targets so the faster you move from wave to wave the more boxes you'll see.

Later in the video, he actually defends electric on the basis that they are slow to attack.

Yeah he was referring to the Thunderbird I believe, which is one of the slowest electric Arms... and which he also got hit by several times.

 

[TheGoreMagala]

I don't follow. Are you saying people are only using electrics as a mind game to get in someone's head?

I mean you blatantly stated you don't see electric Arms and downplay how good they are, then link to a video that has electrics Arms in 2 of the first 3 matches with a comment that the streamer (a rank 15) doesn't like fighting against electric Arms.

Also, in that same video, I see quite a few light Arms.



1. 150 is the combined total damage.

2. The higher your score generally the faster you're clearing targets, and the faster you're moving on to the next wave of targets. New boxes spawn with new waves of targets so the faster you move from wave to wave the more boxes you'll see.

Yes I'm saying people are using electric arms as a mind game to get into someone's head. I believe the fact he doesn't like fighting against them is not due to their strength nor the effect (which can admittedly be slightly annoying at times but can be avoided) but rather due to the lack of experience with it since as I said before in general something like that is an oddity and when you fight against something that is different than usual you're likely to have a mental disadvantage.

I won't argue Light arms aren't used often, but they also aren't always used. Like I said you always see them as at least 1 of the 3 choices.

 

[heringer]

1. 150 is the combined total damage.

2. The higher your score generally the faster you're clearing targets, and the faster you're moving on to the next wave of targets. New boxes spawn with new waves of targets so the faster you move from wave to wave the more boxes you'll see.

Oh, ok. So in a way it does affect how many boxes you get. I thought all the rounds had the same time.

Thanks!

 

[DrDogg]

Yes I'm saying people are using electric arms as a mind game to get into someone's head. I believe the fact he doesn't like fighting against them is not due to their strength nor the effect (which can admittedly be slightly annoying at times but can be avoided) but rather due to the lack of experience with it since as I said before in general something like that is an oddity and when you fight against something that is different than usual you're likely to have a mental disadvantage.

I won't argue Light arms aren't used often, but they also aren't always used. Like I said you always see them as at least 1 of the 3 choices.

How are electric Arms a mind game?

Also, I see electric Arms in at least 50% of these Jorpenn matches. They don't look very rare to me. At the very least they aren't anywhere near as rare as you're making them out to be, evidenced in the very video you linked to "show off high level play". I've also seen light Arms about as much as I've seen electric Arms in this video.

Oh, ok. So in a way it does affect how many boxes you get. I thought all the rounds had the same time.

Thanks!

Just like you get more boxes with faster wave clears, you also get more clocks with faster wave clears, extending your time for the round.

 

[TheGoreMagala]

How are electric Arms a mind game?

Also, I see electric Arms in at least 50% of these Jorpenn matches. They don't look very rare to me. At the very least they aren't anywhere near as rare as you're making them out to be, evidenced in the very video you linked to "show off high level play". I've also seen light Arms about as much as I've seen electric Arms in this video.



Just like you get more boxes with faster wave clears, you also get more clocks with faster wave clears, extending your time for the round.

Using them in general is a mind game since they're not used often, it throws people off.

The video is five hours long, and overall I would say that electric arms are still completely rare in the top ranks. Notice however that because not many people are at the top ranks besides 6 or so specific individuals, Jorpen is facing against rank 11s and such which could also explain why they're prone to using electric as opposed to what the top ranks use. I made my statement judging from what I've seen fighting those ranked 13-15.

 

[Hawkian]

Is discord down or am I having firewall issues or somesuch?

 

[Luigi87]

This debate is amusing for me if only because the game has only been out a week, and now I'm curious to see what will change within the next week.

 

[Jakartalado]

It's impossible to beat GP5 with Spring Man regular arms.

Not even a single hit works against the final boss. It's absurdly insane 6 strikes against 2. And each strike coming from each direction (far left, left, center combined with the other arms you pretty much get hit by every space).

They should nerf this shit. Can't believe they placed such stupid thing in the game. At this moment I HATE THIS GAME.

 

[Razirel]

Is discord down or am I having firewall issues or somesuch?

I can't connect to discord either :/

 

[DrDogg]

Using them in general is a mind game since they're not used often, it throws people off.

The video is five hours long, and overall I would say that electric arms are still completely rare in the top ranks. Notice however that because not many people are at the top ranks besides 6 or so specific individuals, Jorpen is facing against rank 11s and such which could also explain why they're prone to using electric as opposed to what the top ranks use. I made my statement judging from what I've seen fighting those ranked 13-15.

You keep saying they aren't used often, yet I'm seeing them used a lot in this video. I'm not going to watch all 5 hours, but I'm 40 minutes in and I've seen electric Arms in well over half the matches.

If you claim only 6 people are rank 15 that's not much of a sample pool and certainly not enough to make a blanket statement that electrics aren't good and are rarely seen. Also, Mob is rank 14 in the video and has used electric Arms every time he's played.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Just like you get more boxes with faster wave clears, you also get more clocks with faster wave clears, extending your time for the round.

Thanks. I need to get better at skill shot. Wasted 200 coins doing that mode and only getting 7 arms on my first go.

 

[TheGoreMagala]

This debate is amusing for me if only because the game has only been out a week, and now I'm curious to see what will change within the next week.

Well yes, things can change, but so far the most common arms are

-Popper or cracker
-Bubb/Buff
-Hydra
-Parasol
-Ram Ram

 

[Luigi87]

Well yes, things can change, but so far the most common arms are

-Popper or cracker
-Bubb/Buff
-Hydra
-Parasol
-Ram Ram

Fair. I'm not attempting to discount either argument, but just saying this type of debate is something I love about brand new games.

 

[QuixoticNeutral]

Stepped into Party Mode for a bit to see how it was doing after focusing on single-player all week. V-Ball is surprisingly great against someone who knows what they are doing. In my lobby I was cleaning everyone's clock in 1v1 (and coming out ahead in 1v1v1 too), but couldn't get as far as the 75% handicap as I kept getting dumped into 2v2 with the health disadvantage, and I never liked 2v2 in the first place. Probably won't play much Party Mode once I start working on Ranked, but I definitely see a pattern emerging where the point of 2v2 is to cut off my streak, meaning easier fights for me in 1v1.

 

[TheGoreMagala]

You keep saying they aren't used often, yet I'm seeing them used a lot in this video. I'm not going to watch all 5 hours, but I'm 40 minutes in and I've seen electric Arms in well over half the matches.

If you claim only 6 people are rank 15 that's not much of a sample pool and certainly not enough to make a blanket statement that electrics aren't good and are rarely seen. Also, Mob is rank 14 in the video and has used electric Arms every time he's played.

Indeed there aren't enough rank 15s but I'm going by what's used in general throughout 13-15, Mob is a special case and was on the chat, most of the people ranked 13-15 or with notable names like Leafy and Mob and Andy and Shrek were, so their use of electric arms could be attributed as trying to annoy Jorpen seeing as against me he used the usual double crackers

 

[sirap]

It's impossible to beat GP5 with Spring Man regular arms.

Not even a single hit works against the final boss. It's absurdly insane 6 strikes against 2. And each strike coming from each direction (far left, left, center combined with the other arms you pretty much get hit by every space).

They should nerf this shit. Can't believe they placed such stupid thing in the game. At this moment I HATE THIS GAME.

It's certainly possible...I reached GP6 with Spring Man + 2 x Toasters.

GP7 though feels impossible without using any charges...

 

[Hawkian]

Stepped into Party Mode for a bit to see how it was doing after focusing on single-player all week. V-Ball is surprisingly great against someone who knows what they are doing. In my lobby I was cleaning everyone's clock in 1v1 (and coming out ahead in 1v1v1 too), but couldn't get as far as the 75% handicap as I kept getting dumped into 2v2 with the health disadvantage, and I never liked 2v2 in the first place. Probably won't play much Party Mode once I start working on Ranked, but I definitely see a pattern emerging where the point of 2v2 is to cut off my streak, meaning easier fights for me in 1v1.

Party mode is sublime for like, when I'm watching shit on the other screen or cough working from home cough. it's fun fun to the max max, you just have to not take any match seriously.

The 2v2s literally borrow a gimmick from fucking Knuckles Chaotix for the Sega 32X. I mean come on how can you not love that XD

 

[Beartruck]

Just hit rank 3 in ranked, but I haven't been playing long so I've still got a ways to climb.

I can confirm that electric arms are powerful, especially on Minmin's dragon arm, although I also use ice dragon on that arm sometimes.

 

[AquaWateria]

I wonder if they are gonna increase the ranks in through a update or if the max will be 15.

Weren't the ranks in Splatoon increased through a update?

 

[Luigi87]

I wonder if they are gonna increase the ranks in through a update or if the max will be 15.

Weren't the ranks in Splatoon increased through a update?

Yes, S and S+ are added in that

 

[Skellig Gra]

Man I really suck, granted I haven't played a ton. I'm just on fight 2 of gp4

 

[Hawkian]

Just hit rank 3 in ranked, but I haven't been playing long so I've still got a ways to climb.

I can confirm that electric arms are powerful, especially on Minmin's dragon arm, although I also use ice dragon on that arm sometimes.

Make sure you give Ram Ram and regular Dragon a fair shake on that arm!

 

[TheListOfToddicho]

Just unlocked Ranked Mode yesterday, looking forward to seeing how that plays out for me. I main Ninjara, and I need to get some better ARMS, but we'll see how it goes.

 

[Chauzu]

Just unlocked Ranked Mode yesterday, looking forward to seeing how that plays out for me. I main Ninjara, and I need to get some better ARMS, but we'll see how it goes.

Ninjara is pretty underused actually! Teleport is really cool, be careful with supers tho, Ninjara is only char who can't dodge every super by holding guard. He has an easier time than other chars to punish supers, tho.

 

[Hawkian]

Just unlocked Ranked Mode yesterday, looking forward to seeing how that plays out for me. I main Ninjara, and I need to get some better ARMS, but we'll see how it goes.

Woo Ninjara mains! You will be tempted to just air teleport and spam throws (and this will work to defeat new players easily) but it's something we all must grow out of. Definitely practice your wide grabs though.

 

[DrDogg]

Indeed there aren't enough rank 15s but I'm going by what's used in general throughout 13-15, Mob is a special case and was on the chat, most of the people ranked 13-15 or with notable names like Leafy and Mob and Andy and Shrek were, so their use of electric arms could be attributed as trying to annoy Jorpen seeing as against me he used the usual double crackers

So because Mob goes against everything you've been saying, your only defense is that he's a special case and was just trolling Jorpenn. That's a pretty weak argument.

It's also not surprising that he used double Crackers against you. All of your facts regarding electric Arms being bad or not being seen much have very little evidence to back up those claims and quite a bit of evidence stating otherwise.

 

[TheGoreMagala]

So because Mob goes against everything you've been saying, your only defense is that he's a special case and was just trolling Jorpenn. That's a pretty weak argument.

It's also not surprising that he used double Crackers against you. All of your facts regarding electric Arms being bad or not being seen much have very little evidence to back up those claims and quite a bit of evidence stating otherwise.

Well like I've said, everything is indeed based on my experience and I HAVE fought Mob before, electric arms not being any of the three loadouts. Maybe he considers those revolver or triple shot arms effective against Min Min and used them when he knew Jorpen would be one or maybe he was just trolling, I'm not sure. Regardless, he doesn't even go against what I'm saying because even though the revolver is electric, you have very little chance of stunning someone with it due to the fact multiple hits are incoming and if you do it's so slow your grab likely won't land.

 

[BravesCountry]

So because Mob goes against everything you've been saying, your only defense is that he's a special case and was just trolling Jorpenn. That's a pretty weak argument.

It's also not surprising that he used double Crackers against you. All of your facts regarding electric Arms being bad or not being seen much have very little evidence to back up those claims and quite a bit of evidence stating otherwise.

Just out of curiosity, do you still believe that top rank play is only extremely defensive?

 

[marc^o^]

Level 4 completed, now trying my skills against humans. I love this game, motion controls have no right to work that well.

Too hot to play inside:

 

[ASIS]

I tried handheld mode.

Won GP level 4 with ease.

Tried GP level 7.

Won the first match with even greater ease.

I'm depressed. This is so much more functional Han motion controls it's not even funny.

I'll still use motion controls though. But I don't think it will work for competitive play.

 

[DrDogg]

Well like I've said, everything is indeed based on my experience and I HAVE fought Mob before, electric arms not being any of the three loadouts. Maybe he considers those revolver or triple shot arms effective against Min Min and used them when he knew Jorpen would be one or maybe he was just trolling, I'm not sure. Regardless, he doesn't even go against what I'm saying because even though the revolver is electric, you have very little chance of stunning someone with it due to the fact multiple hits are incoming and if you do it's so slow your grab likely won't land.

He does go against what you're saying. Doesn't matter what the chances of the stun are (although I agree it's lower with Revolver), it's an electric Arm. Also, the throw being guaranteed with slower Arms depends on range more than speed.

Obviously the Arms you equip will vary depending on the opponent. People fighting against you have to play differently. You've stated that yourself. But going by the video you linked to show off high level play, there are quite a few people using electric Arms.

Just out of curiosity, do you still believe that top rank play is only extremely defensive?

Jorpenn was pretty defensive, but I don't believe that's how 100% of top players are playing.

I think defensive is the best all around way to play and offers the highest chance of winning in the most situations. However I also feel that going offensive with double lights works very well, and after a knockdown I will play a rushdown offensive play style as well (depending on the opponent).

 

[Jaded Alyx]

I tried handheld mode.

Won GP level 4 with ease.

Tried GP level 7.

Won the first match with even greater ease.

I'm depressed. This is so much more functional Han motion controls it's not even funny.

I'll still use motion controls though. But I don't think it will work for competitive play.

Yeh, I think I've finally decided to stick with traditional controls if playing competitively.

 

[Hawkian]

Ah man, you control traitors wound me!

I hope there will be motion-control only tournaments held or something at least. Beating people with them in a local multiplayer setting feels sooooooo gooooood

Man this game looks fun to watch.

I know right. I can't wait for spectator mode.

 

[Xiofire]

So I spent today at work building myself up and...

I think I made progress. Getting back into GP4 Match 8 against Mummy, I slowed down my game plan, used dash sparingly when attacks came in and utilized the opening after he'd thrown his punches every chance I got.

It was slow going to begin with, but I managed to beat him with only a few retries and felt like my attacks were getting through much more successfully, especially in comparisons to yesterdays shit show.

Twintelle came next, and she was insanely easy. She barely threw any punches, and when she did she was so stagnant in the air she was easy pickings.

Max Brass was much the same as Mummy, just slow advances, wait for him to strike and capitalise. Hedlok on the other hand, was a total cheese fest, from both sides. After about an hour of trying to beat him with my usual setup (standard glove and tri), I opted to just cheesing the entire fight by spamming dash to get away, slowed him with my coolerang from afar, and then jabbed him with my standard glove.

TL;DR: Minor strides forward made, cheesed Hedlock, will replay GP4 over and over before I enter ranked Thanks for all the tips and help guys, I almost gave up yesterday

 

[ASIS]

Ah man, you control traitors wound me!

I hope there will be motion-control only tournaments held or something at least. Beating people with them in a local multiplayer setting feels sooooooo gooooood


I know right. I can't wait for spectator mode.

Who said anything about betraying motion? I'll still use it. But it's the truth. You ARE at a disadvantage using motion controls. Literally every trick you can pull off with motion you can do it better with traditional. Aside from wide grip which is not that useful of a technique to begin with.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Who said anything about betraying motion? I'll still use it. But it's the truth. You ARE at a disadvantage using motion controls. Literally every trick you can pull off with traditional you can do it better with motion. Aside from wide grip which is not that useful of a technique to begin with.

You got something backwards in the middle there.

 

[ASIS]

You got something backwards in the middle there.

My bias is still showing lol.

I'll fix it now, thanks.

 

[Hawkian]

Who said anything about betraying motion? I'll still use it. But it's the truth. You ARE at a disadvantage using motion controls. Literally every trick you can pull off with traditional you can do it better with motion. Aside from wide grip which is not that useful of a technique to begin with.

...uh Jaded Alyx did in the post directly above mine. hahaha

I'm sure you're most likely at an overall disadvantage too (though I think you flipped traditional/motion there once), it just makes me sad. I would like to be able to use motion controls and not really be concerned about it being a "fair fight," thus my comment about the specialized tournaments.

At this point I am competent but actually at a personal disadvantage with traditional controls, hard as that is to believe. I'm sure if I devoted time to it I'd quickly catch back up though.

 

[Ashodin]

I tried handheld mode.

Won GP level 4 with ease.

Tried GP level 7.

Won the first match with even greater ease.

I'm depressed. This is so much more functional Han motion controls it's not even funny.

I'll still use motion controls though. But I don't think it will work for competitive play.

Think this is rather the case of traditional controls just working better with --you-- specifically than motion controls not being viable.

I can't for the life of me curve punches and stuff with traditional.

Plus you're basing it off of CPU insta-reaction times and not human player randomness.

 

[ASIS]

Think this is rather the case of traditional controls just working better with --you-- specifically than motion controls not being viable.

I can't for the life of me curve punches and stuff with traditional.

Plus you're basing it off of CPU insta-reaction times and not human player randomness.

I'm basing it off what I want to do vs. what happens on the screen. It's irrelevant whether or not I fight humans or NPCs. The ease of control is apparent.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

There are also times when I want to play but I just don't have the desire to exert myself in any way (that makes me sound so lazy) which previously resulted in me just not playing. It's just more convenient not to use motion at times.

Plus handheld mode.

Still, I will use motion from time to time and this is easily the best example of motion controls I've ever used.

 

[tenderbrew]

So I beat GP7 without getting defeated in a match with Min Min. I guess she's the only character I'm really good at lol.

4 more characters to go. It's funny that all other arms the CPU can easily evade and counter, but with dragon they seem to struggle dodging lol.

What arm combo you use? I'm bad with minmin and good with ribbon girl.

 

[Poltergust]

I hope that some Youtube series that goes over the mechanics of the basic movement, character abilities, stages, and ARMS starts up soon. I feel as if there is still so much I don't know.

 

[Hawkian]

There are also times when I want to play but I just don't have the desire to exert myself in any way (that makes me sound so lazy) which previously resulted in me just not playing. It's just more convenient not to use motion at times.

Plus handheld mode.

It was also really important that they included non-motion controls for people with limited mobility or muscular diseases, or even limited motor skills (who can sometimes still play console games with assistive devices).

Honestly, they did about as good a job as I could have envisioned to make it reeeelatively competitive while keeping everyone happy with the options. I just want proper motion on motion battles to happen in my life sometime is all

I hope that some Youtube series that goes over the mechanics of the basic movement, character abilities, stages, and ARMS starts up soon. I feel as if there is still so much I don't know.

I am working on some minor updates to my original FAQ, an ARMs post and advanced techniques post as we speak. Stages... bleh I hadn't thought of that, maybe you know someday that is not today.

There is a great series you can watch now though here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8PKL_KHxs

edit: Alyx's links same guy better links

 

[Jaded Alyx]

I hope that some Youtube series that goes over the mechanics of the basic movement, character abilities, stages, and ARMS starts up soon. I feel as if there is still so much I don't know.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRlN-n1uNt7ifTaKIw8VUo8ifCdSvwIkZ

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHc2Wj95htvOeeMybtAuUeyu8GWcqkiTG

It was also really important that they included non-motion controls for people with limited mobility or muscular diseases, or even limited motor skills (who can sometimes still play console games with assistive devices).

Honestly, they did about as good a job as I could have envisioned to make it reeeelatively competitive while keeping everyone happy with the options. I just want proper motion on motion battles to happen in my life sometime is all

Totally agree.

 

[DrDogg]

I just did some testing.

Sparky, Toaster and Bubb. All three have the same exact speed and recovery.

Thunderbird and Phoenix are identical.

Seekie and Homie are identical.

Revolver and Retorcher are identical.

Metawatt travels a split second slower than Megaton. The difference is so minor it took me four or five attempts to even notice. Both Arms appear have the same recovery though. There's a chance Megaton's recovery is a split second faster, but I didn't feel like breaking it down frame by frame to check.

So electric Arms are the same speed and recovery as non-electric Arms of the same type aside from the Megawatt and Megaton.

Tell me again why electric is so bad?