Artist (asshole?) registers 'Pi' () as a trademark. Hilarity (idiocy?) ensues.

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Thousands of t-shirts, hats, sweatshirts and other items containing an ancient mathematical symbol were pulled from an online marketplace last week for allegedly violating a registered trademark: Pi (π.)

According to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, Brooklyn-based artist Paul Ingrisano was granted a registered trademark on the 3,000 year old mathematical constant (and sixteenth letter of the Greek alphabet) near the end of January.

He had originally filed for a trademark on the Pi symbol in November of 2012 on the grounds that his company "Pi Productions Corp" produced t-shirts featuring the symbol, followed by a period.

Wired reports that when Ingrisano discovered a wide array of apparel containing the Pi symbol on Zazzle.com, a massive online retailer that allows users to create their own merchandise, he contacted his lawyer.

"It has been brought to our client’s attention that your business, Zazzle Com/AKA Zazzle Inc., has been using the mathematical symbol ‘pi,’ referred to herein as the ‘PI trademark,’ in association with the marketing or sale of your products or of products offered through your services," wrote Ingrisano's lawyer, Ronald Millet, in a cease-and-desist letter sent to the company on May 16.

"We have evidence of your unlawful products to preserve as evidence. Accordingly, you are hereby directed to CEASE AND DESIST ALL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT," the letter continued, citing U.S. registered trademark number 4473631.


Zazzle responded by immediately removing all garments including any form of the symbol, which is popular among math geeks and often used as fodder for jokes.

"This impacted thousands of products,” said Zazzle spokeswoman Diana Adair to Wired. “How many actually sold would be a much smaller number of course.”

Zazzle sent a formal notice to its sellers informing them of the ban and removal, but many were unimpressed with the news.

"Yesterday I got a notice that one of my items was being removed due to trademark infringement. Here’s the notice," wrote blogger and Zazzle seller Dave Lartigue, providing a portion of the email he received, along with the design that was being pulled from his shop:

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Outraged by the idea that someone had trademarked a mathematical symbol, Lartigue, like many around the web, argued that the U.S Patent office had made a mistake.

"Pi is an irrational constant in mathematics. It’s the name given to the ratio of a circle’s diameter to its circumference. It’s denoted by the Greek letter 'pi'. This symbol is used in every mathematical text and paper involving this ratio, and has been since at least 1706," he wrote "And now someone’s claiming they’ve trademarked it and no one else can use it? That’s like trademarking the number three, or hell, the e in the design, which is another mathematical concept. It’s clearly absurd to anyone except, I guess, Zazzle."

Jez Kemp, another blogger and Zazzle seller who has several Pi designs for sale, argued similarly on his blog that "this would be like McDonalds claiming the letter M as a trademark. The trademark is in the combination of style and symbol, not the symbol itself."

Both bloggers responded to Zazzle, informing the company that Ingrisano's trademark specifically protects the Pi symbol with a period after it — something neither of their designs included.

In a reply to Kemp, published on an active Zazzle forum called "Mathematical 'Pi' symbol is trademarked?" Zazzle's content management team defended its ban.

"You are correct in the description of the registered trademark as having a period," wrote Zazzle. "However, representatives of PI Productions Corp. is exercising their rights to protect their mark by not only restricting the use of their trademark, but also any similar marks that is likely to result in consumer confusion as part of the Lanham Act."

Similar replies were sent to other Zazzle users, resulting in an outpouring of rage and frustration online.

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Who the helluvalot authorized that trademark? Shit ain't gonna hold up in court. At all.
 
It's not unreasonable to trademark a Greek letter in a specific shape in a specific context. But acting as if their particular trademark applies to everybody who happens to have a product with π on it is absurd.
 
I'm going to start trademarking letters in the alphabet. Will start with the letter a...
Idiotic patent is going to be costing people tons of money. I guess they'll need to start pulling all the math books off the shelf.
 
Patent office decisions like these should be investigated. Is there any oversight at all?

Brb, going to copyright the symbol for Omega.

That's "Omega." not "Omega", but woe be unto anyone who uses the latter to piggyback on my brilliant IP.
 
I still stand by my idea of patenting the action of patenting something.

Copyright laws are total mess.
I'm not sure how seriously criticisms of a system can be taken when they don't even have the right target.
Patent office, everyone. Përfectly reasonable individuals dispatching perfectly rasonable orders.
... Though in this case it IS the "patent and trademark office" so I guess they at least share a building.

I think a key thing is this hasn't be challenged in court yet, you can send a cease & desist for any dumb reason it seems but whether that survives a proper court challenge is another story. I wouldn't be surprised going to court made the guy either lose his trademark or learn VERY fast what his actual limits are.
 
I'm going to start trademarking letters in the alphabet. Will start with the letter a...
Idiotic patent is going to be costing people tons of money. I guess they'll need to start pulling all the math books off the shelf.

Too late. I already filed.

Next step: sue Sesame Street for trademark violation.
 
Trademarking the pi and stop sounds like a stretch, but it's a combination of symbols. Doesn't give this guy carte blanche to sue anything with just a pi symbol on it and he ought to lose his mark for abuse.
 
How much does it cost to file a patent?

I think I'm gonna waste all my money filing patents on stupid shit, because apparently some idiot is eventually going to approve it.
 
Why the FUCK are trademarks like this approved? A specific stylization (like the McDonald's M), or a unique brand name that includes the symbol, sure, but not the fucking pi symbol itself. Ridiculous.
 
Trademarking/Copywright gone wrong.

How the fuck does the symbol 'PI' become anyones IP? This fucking world. Ugh.

Find me a picture of this guy and I'll throw his face on a t shirt with the word dumbfuck underneath it.

Make sure to copywright/trademark it.
 
Flooding the patent offices with a bunch of asinine patent requests is probably not a bad idea to demonstrate how the process needs to be reformed. Copyright law, too.
 
How the hell does this stuff even get approved in the first place.

"No sir, you can't register pi as trademark"

problem solved
 
I remember someone in the American exchange students thread saying "sue culture" in the US is overblown.

Cases like these makes that claim hard to believe.
 
These threads are impossible to contribute to while so few people understand the difference between copyright, trademark, and patent.
 
Who the helluvalot authorized that trademark? Shit ain't gonna hold up in court. At all.
It has been brought to our client’s attention that your posts have been using the letter 'e’.

We have evidence of your unlawful posts to preserve as evidence. Accordingly, you are hereby directed to CEASE AND DESIST ALL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT
 
Make a difference by laying out some knowledge.
Short version:

Trademark = claiming ownership of a distinctive name/symbol on a temporary basis, can be renewed indefinitely. Meant for specific uses, IE Apple Inc. isn't free to sue everyone selling the fruit.
Copyright = claiming ownership of a creative work like a book, movie, game, full on piece of art, etc. Lasts the longest.
Patent = claiming ownership of an invention. Lasts only about 20 years before it's free for everyone to use.

Of course people could actually read the damn topic name and use that word instead of flinging around patent and copyright like they're synonyms.
 
These threads are impossible to contribute to while so few people understand the difference between copyright, trademark, and patent.

You'd probably do better to try an educate people rather than complaining about how dumb everyone is and how you aren't.

Otherwise you just come across as a giant dick.
 
There's always going to be a lot of assholes ready to abuse the system, it's the system that should be better.

This. It's not the guy's fault; this trademark should have been thrown out in the first place. Whether it has a period after is irrelevant. The fucking trademark system is completely moronic if this kind of shit can fly.
 
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