Assassin's Creed "Parity": Unity is 900p/30fps on both PS4 & Xbox One
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Officerrob
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It really was. PC master race, fanboys, Ubisoft will go under in four years... lol
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108 on default gaf settings
works for me. you arent missing anything though.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
LOL. Exactly what I thought. It's as if there are no people on the planet with weaker PCs and it can only be the consoles that are to blame.
DustyVonEric
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A. No, you can't. It's been proven in this thread if you would simply stop ignoring the posts to you.
B. Too late. I already did
PM if you want to continue. I'm suggesting this for your own good, because you don't seem to know when to quit.
BlackBuzzard
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I didnt even get that far, i got like 2 minutes in before i turned it off.
CrankyKong
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Guess I'll buy used on eBay then.
shadowsdarknes
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Chobel
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All these games will perform better in PC.
The guy is being a bit of an asshole in that video. 99% of that shit isn't necessary.
But he hit the nail on the head with games being 'held back' because of another platform. Lets not pretend like PS4 owners aren't rightfully upset at the idea of this game being capped for no damn reason, and PC gamers have felt that from time to time also. Its never cool when you are on the receiving end of that shit.
Never.
Codes4Food
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So it's okay if they are slightly better on PC, but still gimped?
Alex_Mexico
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I don't care much for this slight differences. Yes it's annoying to own a PS4 and know the game could've looked better but I'm an avid GAFer and videogamer, I own a 50" LED Samsung HDTV and I struggle to see the difference between 720p and 1080p (but I do notice it). I can't see myself being able to discern between 900 and 1080.
That being said I will complain on this point: where was the parity police when clearly inferior PS3 versions (when compared to 360) were being released by third parties with games like Red Dead Redemption, Bayonetta, The Orange Box and GTAIV?
Sony ain't no saint but they sure as hell didn't enforced this parity. Not even when the PS2 was markedly less powerfull than the OG Xbox either.
That being said I will complain on this point: where was the parity police when clearly inferior PS3 versions (when compared to 360) were being released by third parties with games like Red Dead Redemption, Bayonetta, The Orange Box and GTAIV?
Sony ain't no saint but they sure as hell didn't enforced this parity. Not even when the PS2 was markedly less powerfull than the OG Xbox either.
I've owned almost every game from this series. I've owned and still own AC, ACII, AC:B, AC:R, ACIII (limited edition) and AC:IV, and I will sadly have to skip on this game. I just cannot support a shitty practice like this. Intentionally gimping a version? That's mediocre and laughable at best. Why didn't devs forced parity between ps3 and Xbox 360 but are doing it now?
*puts tinfoil hat* I'm just going to get ahead and assume it was a huge check made by Microsoft because Old habits die hard.
*puts tinfoil hat* I'm just going to get ahead and assume it was a huge check made by Microsoft because Old habits die hard.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
How can PC gamers go from 'getting it on the PC, it's the only place to play' to 'PC games get gimped because of consoles'
Which is it? Is it worth buying a gaming PC or not? Make your minds up.
Which is it? Is it worth buying a gaming PC or not? Make your minds up.
Mr. PlayStation
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But the real question gamers and fans should be asking is, has the game been downgraded graphically and/or gameplay wise?
katsubento
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Unless it gets patched to 1080p, it will not be touching my PS4 now. if they couldn't get there, that's fine. But holding it back because Xbone can't? Screw that.
If only PS4 were like...30-50% more powerful or something.
You do realize there aren't more than 3 people saying that in this thread?
So this whole thread and controversy and the resulting PR update on Kotaku is because some senior producer don't understand any technical details about the game his building?
But i understand his intention by saying "we lock them to avoid all the debates and stuff", this means it is not CPU bound problem, not GPU either but simply so Ubi or MS can say they make the game that has the same spec as in PS4 or the other way around depending on your belief system.
When you buy a PC version, most versions will be what the highest developed console platform looks like, with maybe a few bells and whistles they had to cut for performance issues if you're lucky. Plus occassional the dev's lock the resolution or framerate for some god forsaken reason.
By treating the Xbox One version as the lead (the PS4 version is locked at Xbone specs to meet the Xbone's standards), you're getting a way shittier version than if PS4 was the lead and ported down for Xbox One.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I've seen it in more places than Gaf today.
-Pyromaniac-
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The funniest part is they can't be like FINEEEE we'll make the PS4 version 1080p. They pretty much have to stick to this.
That depends, are they gimped because they're scared of fanboys?
Chobel
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What kind of loaded question is this? You said "simple" stuff, and all PC games have these "simple" stuff and most of them have more complex stuff. And if PC game was gimped, it will get ridiculed for it.
I see 108 pages but what do you mean by that? What does the non-default GAF do?
No, they could probably do exactly that. Ubisoft could probably do whatever they want.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Didn't Shadow of Mordor recently get a ultra high resolution texture pack? Don't PC versions of game runs even higher than 60fps (which apparently is so last year) and isn't framerate king for PC gamers? I'm sorry but PC gamers can't in some debates scoff at console gamers and then in another complain consoles are holding PCs back. The two can't be bridged so easily and quickly for convenience sake.
I honestly couldn't care less about Assassins Creed, sick and tired of the franchise. All I hope is that this sort of attitude (punishing an entire fan-base to achieve "parity" that only needs to exist because a company was not able/didn't want to do an equally powerful console - that is not up to the consumer, if someone bought the more powerful console, they should get a game that is only hindered by that metric and not by anything else like in this case) doesn't become a trend in the gaming industry, even though its pretty clear that there are huge chances that it will actually happen, sadly, at least with the big publishers/developers.
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Codes4Food
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Seriously? Can you not agree that wolfenstein having a locked frame rate and removing graphical enhancements from watch dogs is not gimping and/or forcing parity?
The main argument here is the ps4 version of the game should be "better" whether that be a higher resolution, fps, more eye candy, etc. Why? Because the ps4 is more powerful, people want every ounce of it used.
This is almost never the case for PC owners. If you have a decent rig you can max a new game and have plenty of headroom. Shouldn't these same devs squeeze every ounce here too?
From good developers, sure, framerate is unlocked and often have much better graphics options. I mostly talking about the bad ports from sub-par publishers/devs like Ubisoft.
You feel comfortable in telling a mod what to do and what not to do, so I don't see why you're exempt from the same treatment?
Ricky Ricardo
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108 pages in 12 hours. Good grief GAF
Vidya Games are serious business
This is more than just this console vs that console. This is about platform holders, publishers and developers having shitty practices that try to make their partners happy at the cost of the quality of the product and consumer satisfaction.
Tainted
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Reminiscent of the Watch_Dogs downgrade thread
shadowsdarknes
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There's a fundamental difference between not developing a game from the ground up with high end PCs in mind and forced parity.
If a developer chooses not to include mega textures or other major improvements over the console version, that's not the same thing as forced parity. Yes, an AC built from the ground up for high end PCs could be much more expansive and dense and dynamic in its design.
But that doesn't mean the PC version is gimped.
PC version would be gimped if we had a capped frame rate at 30 fps and capped frame rate at sub HD with the same downgraded draw distance and foliage levels.
It shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp that intentionally lowering the resolution of a game so as not to hurt any feelings is not the same thing as developers not putting in a special effort to differentiate the PC version.
If a developer chooses not to include mega textures or other major improvements over the console version, that's not the same thing as forced parity. Yes, an AC built from the ground up for high end PCs could be much more expansive and dense and dynamic in its design.
But that doesn't mean the PC version is gimped.
PC version would be gimped if we had a capped frame rate at 30 fps and capped frame rate at sub HD with the same downgraded draw distance and foliage levels.
It shouldn't be a hard concept to grasp that intentionally lowering the resolution of a game so as not to hurt any feelings is not the same thing as developers not putting in a special effort to differentiate the PC version.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Yeah, there are exceptions to the rule. But clearly from the large percentage of PC gamers who openly flaunt their rigs and scoff at console gamers, there are far more games that run better on the PC than don't 'because of consoles'. If the majority of experiences are better then why complain about the few? If it's the few that run better on the PC then why the scoffing?
It just seems as if PC gamers are opportunistic in nature.
1) We are talking about resolution here, the PS4 can have identical graphical effects to Xbox One but maintain a 1080P resolution. That's what people are asking ie. not pare back the resolution purposefully.
2) The cases you mentioned are entirely different, none of those were downgraded purposefully so as to get parity.
The "secret" E3 settings were for the vertical slice and most of them were unfinished effects and caused bugs and glitches outside of the E3 location/conditions which is why they never made it to the game, I thought we reached that conclusions a long time ago. And always on DoF is not E3 settings, regardless of how much you modify the ini the game never once looks like E3 it's because the E3 demo was simply a vertical slice and they were never able to meet that quality for the entire game and had to pare it back. It was not gimped, it was just them facing the realities of developing a game and being unable to maintain that standard throughout the city. The PC version of Watch Dogs already has better water simulation, higher draw distance, much better shadows...and that is the kind of improvement you get with superior hardware realistically speaking, not 2x everything. Wolfenstien being locked at 60FPS is hardly it being gimped, it was purely due to the fact that the game logic itself was tied to the refresh rate. The game is so adamant about maintaining this framerate that it'd rather drop resolution on consoles than drop framerate so that the game logic is not effected.
On a video game forum, yeah. You don't go on a cheese forum and say "holy shit why is there a 100 page thread about a gouda scandal?"
BruiserBear
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Galactic Barret
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Isn't this basically the current-gen version of the weaker platform being the lead sku?
You don't get to exploit the stronger console and that sucks. I won't complain; I don't care if they were paid to do it by whomever. I'll show my contempt for practices like this when I buy every game they make used. Don't play with my emotions.
I ain't even mad, tho.
You don't get to exploit the stronger console and that sucks. I won't complain; I don't care if they were paid to do it by whomever. I'll show my contempt for practices like this when I buy every game they make used. Don't play with my emotions.
I ain't even mad, tho.
So if we look at the initial statement, and take the claim that they've maxed out the CPU yet have ample GPU capability at face value.
If only there was some magical technique they could use that used the GPU for compute tasks... It would be even better if that technology was built into the AMD GPUs both consoles have... And it would be super awesome if one of these consoles has specific customisation to excel at GPGPU compute...
Hmm.
If only there was some magical technique they could use that used the GPU for compute tasks... It would be even better if that technology was built into the AMD GPUs both consoles have... And it would be super awesome if one of these consoles has specific customisation to excel at GPGPU compute...
Hmm.
It's because we complain when we get the shaft, it's not like we're going to complain at the guy who optimizes their shit properly and offers multi-screen and oculus rift support.
We're going to complain at the guys with bad DRM, dummied out graphical enhancements, locked framerates/resolutions, or otherwise fumbled products. If your favorite game got gimped for bad reasons, wouldn't you be vocal about it?
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