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Assassin's Creed Syndicate PC Performance Thread
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A patch supposed to fix what exactly ?
There was supposed to be a day one patch but it was postponed for additional work, which bodes well for a cloth physics fix. No ETA yet, however my guess is that it'll arrive next week.
First, my specs:
OS: Windows 10 64-bit
Nvidia Driver: 359.00
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme4
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 750W G2
CPU: i7-4770k @4.2GHz (HT Enabled)
Heatsink: Hyper 212 Evo w/2x Noctua NF-F12 Fans
GPU: GIGABYTE GTX 980 Ti G1 Gaming 6GB
RAM: 16GB G.SKILL Sniper DDR3 @1866MHz
SSD (OS): 256GB Samsung 850 Pro
HDD (Games): 1TB Western Digital Caviar Black 7200 RPM
With my rig (which is similar to yours), @1080p with everything maxed (but for AA set to FXAA), I'm getting an average of 50-55 fps. If I disable the PCSS shadows (bringing them down to "High"), and keep AA at FXAA, I can get a locked 60 fps.
With everything maxed @1080p (TXAA or MSAA 4x included), I'm averaging around 40-45 fps (though at nighttime in sparser areas with less NPCs, you can get 60 fps; daytime lighting/more on-screen NPCs is much more performance heavy). It's a surprisingly demanding game, even when compared to Unity with equivalent settings, with the newly introduced "HBAO+" and "PCSS Ultra" shadows appearing to be the main culprits.
EDIT: The official performance guide does a great job of breaking down every setting and it's performance impact: http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/assassins-creed-syndicate-graphics-and-performance-guide
Next week is what I'm hoping for v1.2+whatever PC specific fixes they slot there. Decided to shelve it for now because the cloth thing was starting to get on my nerves.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
The clothing animation doesn't bother me so much but it's definitely noticeable in how not fluid it at 60FPS.
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Picked up an Nvidia code for about $20. I have to lower the settings a lot more than I did on Unity just to get the game at 1080P/60 FPS. Looks like with these newer games, I may need to upgrade my graphics card to a 4 GB one.
Is there any way to fix Evie's cloak? It's weird seeing it at half the framerate.
BTW, what's the cheapest 4GB card that will run decently? I have a GTX 960 2 GB. If I get a GTX 960 4GB can I sync them up?
Is there any way to fix Evie's cloak? It's weird seeing it at half the framerate.
BTW, what's the cheapest 4GB card that will run decently? I have a GTX 960 2 GB. If I get a GTX 960 4GB can I sync them up?
PHOENIXZERO
Member
You would only be able to use it as a Physx card due to the different amounts of VRAM.
It looks like stop motion animation when compared to the rest of the game in 60 fps, which is mainly why I currently have it capped to 30 fps on my 980 Ti; I only get 40-45 with everything maxed anyway.
It further cements the fact that they were probably aiming for a 30 fps target, even on PC. That said, I'm betting It will more than likely be patched out soon.
Looks like the patch is coming Dec 1, as per this thread.
No specific mention of the cloth thing, so here's hoping it's included in the generic "animation issues", or possibly PC specific "render issues".
I'm not hopeful to be honest.
No specific mention of the cloth thing, so here's hoping it's included in the generic "animation issues", or possibly PC specific "render issues".
I'm not hopeful to be honest.
CosmicQueso
Member
I skimmed the thread, but didn't see anything...
Is 3440x1440 resolution just not supported? In 2015? How?
Is 3440x1440 resolution just not supported? In 2015? How?
RobbieNick
Junior Member
Can't stand looking at these blurry walls, but only have a 2 GB card. Does going past the recommended VRAM use damage the card or just affect performance? I'd rather drop the framerate and have decent looking textures.
Won't damage your card but performance is absolutely going to be unbearable.
It's werid cause Unity had excellent 21:9 support.
For Syndicate you have to edit the .ini file to get the resolution working and the HUD is positioned as if the game is still in 16:9.
Garrett Hawke
Member
If you have a 2GB card you'd probably be fine with Medium textures, even though it says that requires 3GB. Someone else with a 2GB card posted in either this thread, the OT, or on a reddit thread (don't remember which, sorry) and they had fine performance on Medium.
Lockjaw333
Member
For those of you with slightly older CPUs, I'm running an i5-2500k @ 4.0ghz, and I found that lowering Environment Quality to Very High from Ultra has been a huge help.
With EQ on Ultra, all of my cores were at 100% when running around London. I also noticed my GTX 970 was only at around 70% usage. Dropped EQ to Very High and my cores have gone down to 85-90%, GPU usage has jumped a bit and I'm able to turn other things up.
Shadows still need to stay on High (PCSS is a killer, let alone PCSS Ultra). However with EQ at Very High I can now enable HBAO+ Ultra and still maintain a 60fps lock @ 1080p. AA is also on FXAA.
Seems like all you really sacrifice by dropping EQ is distant foliage and small details, which I'm fine sacrificing for betteral overall IQ with HBAO+ Ultra enabled.
Now Ubi please, fix the damn cloak physics. Driving me nuts...
With EQ on Ultra, all of my cores were at 100% when running around London. I also noticed my GTX 970 was only at around 70% usage. Dropped EQ to Very High and my cores have gone down to 85-90%, GPU usage has jumped a bit and I'm able to turn other things up.
Shadows still need to stay on High (PCSS is a killer, let alone PCSS Ultra). However with EQ at Very High I can now enable HBAO+ Ultra and still maintain a 60fps lock @ 1080p. AA is also on FXAA.
Seems like all you really sacrifice by dropping EQ is distant foliage and small details, which I'm fine sacrificing for betteral overall IQ with HBAO+ Ultra enabled.
Now Ubi please, fix the damn cloak physics. Driving me nuts...
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Was there a PC update? I've played probably 10-15 hours with no issues. Now tonight I've had two hard freezes that I've hard to reset my PC for. Once every hour or so it freezes for a good 20-30 seconds too.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Just booted it up and yup, mess. Can't be that hard, surely.
Dictator93
Member
wahjyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Deleted member 325805
Unconfirmed Member
I'm about 75% done with Black Flag, hoping Syndicate gets a few more patches soon. I'll maybe hold off until it does and break out another backlog title.
CosmicQueso
Member
Dammit I'm so disappointed in this.
AC2 was really a fantastic PC game. Had nVidia Surround support, supported 3D even, ran incredibly well. And now, a few years later, we have this. It saddens me.
Despite its flaws, I still really enjoy the AC games. Guess I have to wait a while for more patches.
AC2 was really a fantastic PC game. Had nVidia Surround support, supported 3D even, ran incredibly well. And now, a few years later, we have this. It saddens me.
Despite its flaws, I still really enjoy the AC games. Guess I have to wait a while for more patches.
dgrdsv
Member
Is it just cloth though? Or does the whole physics engine update on 30 ticks per second? I can see how the latter may be the case here considering that the game has targetted 30 fps on both consoles. In that case it may not be a simple fix as upping the update to 60 or to actual fps rate may introduce a whole lot of game breaking bugs.
No, Koei Tecmo games on PC are bad console pots. AC Syndicate is ok console port.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
I have been playing @ 2k
Dam that does not look good your specs are decent I would expect 1080p maxed out with fps above 60... WTF Ubisoft!
It seems all physics effects. I notice this when doing some of the multi kills. When the body ragdolls, its running at the same 30 fps as the cloth animations. Bizarre as hell, and quite jarring sometimes.
Despite that, still enjoyed the hell out of this, and it ran pretty good for me.
I fear it has been written solely for the consoles and not made to run at any higher framerate.
It does not look as good as Unity's cloth which could run at 60fps on PC.
As Nvidia stated in their guide:
So my rig is performing as expected. In fact, with the factory OC, I'm getting 8-10 frames more on average than a stock 980 Ti.
The main culprits here are the extremely demanding PCSS Ultra shadows and the MSSA/TXAA 4x. With Environment Quality at Very High, FXAA, HBAO+, and normal PCSS shadows (not ultra), I can achieve 60 fps 95% of the time @1080p. But yeah, @2k, we're looking at the high 40's, low 50's (at most) on average with a single 980 Ti with several settings turned down.
I feel your pain though. Just a few months after the 980 Ti's release, and we're already seeing a game (AC no less) demanding a 30 fps target for max settings. One of the reasons I've been hesitant to upgrade to a 2k display. If I do, I'm definitely getting G-Sync.
A little late on this, but I investigated this a bit more.
Just switch the OSD coordinate space to Framebuffer from RTSS settings, and everything seems to work fine. On the default coordinate space setting (Viewport), only upper left corner works correctly.
MillionStabs
Banned
It's a Ubi PC port, don't be too hard on your card.
John Wick
Member
Don't expect anything too exciting with that setup. Probably get med-high settings at 900P. Also probably 2x AF and low AA to keep it stable at 30fps
keltickennedy
Member
Whaa? He could get way better performance than that.
for 1080p/ Average 60fps
Environment Quality - Very High
Texture - Very High
Shadows - Very High
AO - HBAO+
AA - 2XMSAA+FXAA
These are my settings and i locked the fps to 60 with a tuner.
i7 960
980ti
16 GB ram
Windows 7
Don't get his hopes up.
For anyone interested, the latest patch did nothing to correct the MSAA/TXAA rendering issues when enabled with either PCSS setting (note the jagged white outline around Evie's lower body in the "after" screen):
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/152802
My posts with full details on the issue can be viewed on the official forum here:
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1333578-Visual-Artifacts-Caused-by-MSAA-TXAA?p=11157000
If anyone else has experienced any of the issues that I laid out in the above thread, it would be appreciated if they share it there to add validity to the issue, and hopefully give a better chance of it being fixed. That said, I won't hold my breath; it is Ubisoft ;p
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/152802
My posts with full details on the issue can be viewed on the official forum here:
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1333578-Visual-Artifacts-Caused-by-MSAA-TXAA?p=11157000
If anyone else has experienced any of the issues that I laid out in the above thread, it would be appreciated if they share it there to add validity to the issue, and hopefully give a better chance of it being fixed. That said, I won't hold my breath; it is Ubisoft ;p
CosmicQueso
Member
I gave up, picked up the PS4 version on the flash sale.
Sucks. Very disappointing.
Sucks. Very disappointing.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
That is pretty disappointing for my rig specs. I don't mind playing at 1080p but every game I tested so far I was able to maxed out at 2k and fps above 60. Considering Ubisoft track record on PC I am not surprised
You are wrong on this one, the game does not perform as it does without legit reasons when all settings are engaged.
PCSS ultra and HBAO+ ultra are meant to tax the strongest hardware available right now.
Blame your inflated expectations.
It's too easy to say X game is unoptimized because your hardware is stressed heavily.
Syndicate is a beautiful PC release aside from that 30fps cloth but it can't be "maxed out" at 60fps on a 980ti.
Syndicate is also far from being an exception in the sense that it can make your 980ti drop below 60fps at 1080p, GTA 5 and Project CARS among others.
Settings exist for a reason after all.
Good post. The PC will never catch a break.
Game gives extreme and expensive future proof graphical options? UNOPTIMIZED.
Game gives limited and cheap console-level graphical options? LAZY DEVS, LAZY PORT.
This game looks fucking ridiculous on max settings. What did people expect?
FX8320 @ 4ghz
8gb ddr3 1600
R9 280x 3gb
VX228 @ 1080p
Playing with
Environment Quality: Very high
Textures: High
Shadows: High
Ambient Occlusion: HBAO+ ULTRA
AA: FXAA
Using reshade to sharpen the image to get rid of the FXAA blur. Found fxaa removes jaggies the best.
Getting around 35fps outside during the day. Drops to 28-30 when im on top of a giant building looking at the entire city. Runs twice as good at night, i guess because there are no shadows really.
8gb ddr3 1600
R9 280x 3gb
VX228 @ 1080p
Playing with
Environment Quality: Very high
Textures: High
Shadows: High
Ambient Occlusion: HBAO+ ULTRA
AA: FXAA
Using reshade to sharpen the image to get rid of the FXAA blur. Found fxaa removes jaggies the best.
Getting around 35fps outside during the day. Drops to 28-30 when im on top of a giant building looking at the entire city. Runs twice as good at night, i guess because there are no shadows really.
This needs to be put first post in almost every PC gaming thread.
John Wick
Member
Lol! I was just joking because your PC will easily run Syndicate very well! Just lower the shadows to high.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
Crazy that this is being called a bad PC port to me. It runs quite well on reasonable hardware for how good it looks.
sobaka770
Banned
Why? I don't see any reason if you have a decent PC not to get this version, it is a good port. Instead you opt for 900p sub 30-FPS console version because of? What is so diappointing about the game ap[art from riddiculous expectations of 4K60FPS? I only see lack of SLI support as a negative and cloth bug, none of which are dealbreakers.
All I see in this thread is people whining of not able to max the game with riddiculous NVidia options enabled at crazy resolutions. Well, I still can't 60 FPS in the damn Black Flag, and if I enable PhysX the whole game stutters in mid 20s. I have 970GTX! NVidia options are not optimised and they always ruin performance. And for people who say it's poorly optimised, I don't think they understand how well this game runs for what it does. The only thing it requires is a videocard with more than 2Gb VRAM which is to be expected.
This game runs great on PC, well above the 30ish on console. Once the cloth bug is fixed, it will be one of the better console ports this gen along with MGS5. (Consider just this year: Batman:AK is a disaster and did people forget about the terrible controls in Witcher 3 for months (and those Hairworks)?)
DoctorPayne
Banned
Is it just me, or are the AA solutions in this port especially terrible? 4XMSAA is a total performance killer but it's the only way to get semi-acceptable image quality. I'm usually fine with 2XAA of some type but it looks gross here.
I had the exact same issue. After the patch yesterday + updating to Crimson drivers, controller response has been completely fixed. Not sure which of those is responsible for fixing it, but all's good now.
I had the exact same issue. After the patch yesterday + updating to Crimson drivers, controller response has been completely fixed. Not sure which of those is responsible for fixing it, but all's good now.
CosmicQueso
Member
Because the game doesn't support 3440x1440 resolution in a way I find appealing or want to play. I also find the PC port lacking in ways beyond the cloth. It is also hard to play this PC version of an AC game when I remember past AC games running wonderfully on the PC with all the options of the day incorporated. It is disappointing.
So I also bought the game on a platform that it was obviously designed for, and I'll play it there.
Who cares.