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ASUS implements another price hike for GeForce RTX 5090 cards (25% increase), RX 9070 XT now stars at $720
OK, so I decided to look it up right now, this is in the UK and just buying NEW and in stock, so to start...
PS5 Pro - £699.99
And now the PC from a new build...
Total £660.94
Throw in a case and you're around the same price as a PS5 Pro and you get more performance. Of course if you're lucky you can pick up better stuff second hand, a huge plus would be the GPU if you can get a 4000 series instead.
PS5 Pro - £699.99
And now the PC from a new build...
AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Socket AM4 - £96.99
ASUS GeForce RTX 3060 DUAL OC V2 12GB Graphics Card - £279.99
ASUS AMD A520 PRIME A520M-K AM4 DDR4 micro ATX Motherboard - £59.99
Crucial P3 Plus CT2000PSSD8 2TB M.2 2280 NVMe PCIe 4.0 SSD - £99.99
Corsair Vengeance LPX CMK16GX4M2Z3600C18 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600 MHz DDR4 - £42.99
Cooler Master GX II 850 Wattage ATX 3.0 80 PLUS Gold - £80.99
Total £660.94
Throw in a case and you're around the same price as a PS5 Pro and you get more performance. Of course if you're lucky you can pick up better stuff second hand, a huge plus would be the GPU if you can get a 4000 series instead.
Schmendrick
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I´m not the one who`s unable to differentiate between enthusiast high end and mainstream....No... Im clearly smarter than you.
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LavitzSlambert
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It's going to take longer than people are comfortable with. Tech companies loading up now and building out infrastructure, but they won't necessarily be upgrading all the time and that cycle (even if it does make them lots of money) will not compare to how things are right now.
It's been pretty much one crisis after another since the mining craze, and things have steadily been getting worse since. It's very difficult for MSRPs to trend downward unless there is an actual market downturn. Even during the COVID crash and the 2022 recession, PC hardware was resilient. Companies are going to find out the hard way they're overexposed to risk now that Moore's Law is dead.
It used to be there was extra money made in getting every bit of performance out of cards, and that was possible by designing the enclosures and cooling systems. As components get smaller, the design of the chip itself is becoming more important than anything AIBs can provide. Combine that with Moore's Law dying, and we are seeing the majority of the value fade away. Tech companies and manufacturers have long depended on low interest rates and the deflationary nature of die shrinks, that era has come to a close and now components are no longer faster and cooler with each iteration.
AIBs will be first to bear the brunt of this pain, they're squeezed by both chip designers and retailers. There isn't really any other intermediary unless the designers decided to get into manufacturing (low ROI business in comparison), which is unlikely. So instead we will be stuck with high prices/low supply until the volume cannot support the company's growth, then we will get more regressions and the enshittification of hardware will continue.
Kilau
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Topher
Identifies as young
If you are a PC gamer, sure. Not everyone is
//DEVIL//
Member
Nope sold it and got Astral ( still have a second Astral still pending from Best Buy too ). but I was lucky i was able to get one from Canada computers 3 days ago. )
the price difference is gonna be huge if Canada implements this price difference. Here is hoping it won't and are directly getting cards from China. but if this is in the US official store. that means there is a huge chance we will get updated with the new price.
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Most of those still in up in business uses even if it's not datacentre bound. There is a report you can read on it I believe from the same outlet.
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lachesis
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Wish that was the case... but MLID (hope he's wrong) says that Intel hasn't even ordered new wafers to make more Battlemage GPUs.
Things do look really grim at the moment and for next couple months. I am hoping it will somewhat be around normal level by later half of the year.
Is this Nvidia not giving a shit and asking whatever the hell they want while these brands can do little and accept it or is it something else?
Like prices going up after release is crazy, not like it didn't happen before even with consoles, but no one wants this to become the norm
Like prices going up after release is crazy, not like it didn't happen before even with consoles, but no one wants this to become the norm
GHG
Gold Member
Can you please go ahead with this and then post your results in this thread:
adamsapple
could do with some company.
KuraiShidosha
Member
Imagine how I feel now that my 4090 FE's power connector partially melted (thanks Corsair) and I have to RMA my beautiful card. I bought this thing brand new in October 2022 and baby'd the fuck out of it all this time just for that shitty power supply to mess it up. Now I'm terrified I'm either going to get back a garbage refurb that breaks on me outside warranty or they go "sorry we don't have any left, we'll refund you the $1700 you paid for it even though current market value is $2500 :^) have a nice day." I'm furious right now.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
this is why i only get GPUs with 8 pin. those connectors last years
sorry about your GPU man.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I keep kicking myself every day for not buying at MSRP or even briefly below. When we think of a $1600 GPU as a bargain!!!
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Alternatively 7800XT and up will work, including 9070 (vanilla) of course.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Weird, I wasnt aware a 9070XT came with a CPU motherboard, memory, power supply...
Are you telling me I didn't get the complete package when I purchased my 9070XT.
PUNKem733
Member
Hey fuck off, PAL! I'd drink the blood of a newborn for 10 more FPS. You call it mental illness, I call it nourishment.
*I thank god I'm only on consoles.*
ChiefDada
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Zathalus
Member
Can you link the report? Because JPR also stated that the PC gaming hardware market for 2024 was around $30 billion and the Nvidia gaming revenue for 2024 was $10 billion. Significant enough numbers that those amount of AIB cards have a very significant percentage going to gaming PCs.
delirium trigger
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X3d? The ps does not have a good processor in it.
willothedog
Member
Console manufacturers earn their revenue from continual software/licensing so they should be subsidised a GPU vendor has to make the money in one upfront cost.
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rest!
SweetTooth
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Same can be said for PS5 pro, But double standards.
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reinking
Gold Member
Sadly that's the closest I could find IN STOCK and NEW, buying second hand you could get a 3070 or a 4060 in roughly the same price range but that requires the second hand market.
Again, that's the cheapest closest I could IN STOCK and NEW, there were no 3000 series CPUs being sold.
Just an interesting take on things since the PS5 Pro keeps getting brought up price wise, got me curious how much it'd be NOW to go in blank and build a new PC for the same cost.
delirium trigger
Member
5600 is in stock, lol.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
There's no point in subsidizing every option, and quite honestly if you compare the pricing of the 2Tb PS5 Pro versus the 2Tb variant of the Series X, it seems a far more reasonable deal.
What I was getting at though was that the price of PS5 Pro in 2025 while high, isn't going to get you very far in terms of building a gaming PC when GPU's across the board are so expensive. So the argument that a lot of Youtubers seem to be making that as a system it should retail for only $100 or so more than the base -mass market- option is not a convincing one.
Right now, "better" is expensive, and "best in class" is really damn expensive! As can be seen by the mad pricing of the 5090.
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Ryzen 5600 + 4060 Ti 16GB is probably a good match for it.
I have 5800x3D+9070 XT and it's nigh on twice as powerful. With full suite RT+FSR4+FG it's probably well beyond that. If you can get a 9070 XT under $700 I think you could build a nice system that beats the Pro in perf/$.
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Bojji
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You forgot that Pro launched in november and back then most gpus were widely available at MSRP.
Pro was 800 Euro in Europe and for 9xx you could build PC with 4070 and 5600 in it.
Everything changed when 4xxx cards supply dried up (mostly happened this year). So yeah Pro is a better value vs. PC NOW vs. back when it launched because PC market was fucked by Nvidia.
GreatnessRD
Member
Unfortunately this will fall on deaf ears because people are meatballs. Paying $800+ for a 9070 XT let alone $3500+ for a fucking 5090 is retarded.
My RX 6800 XT will continue to live and fight another day
Bojji
Member
No?
Lowest PS5 is ~400$ vs. 700$ Pro (it's 400 euro vs. 800 in Europe so 2x difference).
Current lowest tier of 5xxx is 550$ MSRP vs. 2000$ for 5090. So almost 4x difference. 5060 will launch soon for ~300$ (~6x).
Vast majority of GPUs sold are below 700$ (AMD stats) so 2000$ 5090 is in entirely different stratosphere.
Of course MSRP prices I used here are not close to reality but few months from now they probably will.
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I had a 3060 for a while, and it isn't even as good a a base PS5 let alone a PS5 Pro.
Haint
Member
Fun fact, the 4090 actually outsold every 4000 card besides the 4060's and regular 4070 for most of its shelf life. It was only surpassed by the Super launch, resulting price drops, and Nvidia putting the 4090 out of production WAY in advance because it outperformed the entire 5000 series (save for the 5090). So there is actually a very large and VERY PROFITABLE market for the stupid expensive graphics cards, it's not even close to the old Titan days where those cards sold low 10,000 of units lifetime. The 4090 likely moved over 2 million units, nearly $4 Billion in revenue with 300%+ profit margins. AMD and Intel would suck 1000 diseased dicks to attain even a fraction of that market if they could.
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Minsc
Gold Member
So there's two lines of thinking:
- Who would you rather sell your product to, someone who happily pays $1000 or someone who happily pays $500? I feel like most people would rather get the $1000.
- Your competition is selling the same product as you for 4x the price. And it's selling out even though yours is so much less. Why not raise it so your prices are similar?
Basically, everyone who think competition is good, well now the competition is yourself. You're competing against people who want to pay more money than you. And the product makers are competing for the highest prices, not the lowest!
- Who would you rather sell your product to, someone who happily pays $1000 or someone who happily pays $500? I feel like most people would rather get the $1000.
- Your competition is selling the same product as you for 4x the price. And it's selling out even though yours is so much less. Why not raise it so your prices are similar?
Basically, everyone who think competition is good, well now the competition is yourself. You're competing against people who want to pay more money than you. And the product makers are competing for the highest prices, not the lowest!
CLW
Member
And that’s the whole idea shifting the Overton Window so you won’t flinch at $2000 - $2500 6090 $1500-$2000 6080 etc
Itchy Tickles
Member
Yet again a topic about inflated / abusive pricing on GPUs, which all PC gamers hate and find disgusting, has a bunch of console fanboys trying to chime in with their insecurity and pettiness like this was ever a boast for PC only people. Grow up, have a wash, and keep pretending console gamers aren't fucked over at every turn too.
It's really gross that the people who make the cards say "this is our MSRP and we are advertising it as such". It gets potential customers more excited and overall more interested in their product, just for third party sellers to say "nah, we demand more profit. What do you know about pricing? Fuck the consumer" It simply feels like they lie to us.
They can use use excuses about potential tarrifs etc but that wasn't the case the last 2 gens, its greedy cunts being just that. Then when the money starts to slow down or stocks drop etc you can already smell the apology statement reassuring they will put customers first blah blah.....Until they get drowned in money again and revert back.
It's really gross that the people who make the cards say "this is our MSRP and we are advertising it as such". It gets potential customers more excited and overall more interested in their product, just for third party sellers to say "nah, we demand more profit. What do you know about pricing? Fuck the consumer" It simply feels like they lie to us.
They can use use excuses about potential tarrifs etc but that wasn't the case the last 2 gens, its greedy cunts being just that. Then when the money starts to slow down or stocks drop etc you can already smell the apology statement reassuring they will put customers first blah blah.....Until they get drowned in money again and revert back.
Topher
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PC gamers do the same thing when console gamers get "fucked over" as well. Last few months of PS5 Pro threads are full of examples.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It was 90% Bojji lol.PC gamers do the same thing when console gamers get "fucked over" as well. Last few months of PS5 Pro threads are full of examples.
Bojji
Member
Outside of NG bubble (this place is full of hardcore Sony fans) people aren't so positive about Pro. Like 66% of Pro reviews in Polish media was negative, some of them super harsh. I bet in whole Europe reception for Pro was much more negative than in US media.
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Skifi28
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Yeah, at this point it's an endless tit for tat that doesn't lead anywhere, buts it's hard to blame just one side as it takes two to dance. The whole "just get a PC" that went around for months was really annoying so it's not very surprising some people will find excuses to retaliate.PC gamers do the same thing when console gamers get "fucked over" as well. Last few months of PS5 Pro threads are full of examples.
Topher
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The other 10% was the Polish media
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