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[Tommie Hu$tle]

NEW YORK (AP) —

At least 11 al-Qaeda suspects have "disappeared" in U.S. custody, and some may have been tortured, Human Rights Watch said in a report issued Monday.

The prisoners are probably being held outside the United States without access to the Red Cross or any oversight of their treatment, the human rights group said. In some cases, the United States will not even acknowledge the prisoners are in custody.

The report said the prisoners include the alleged architect of the Sept. 11 attacks, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, as well as Abu Zubaydah, who is believed to be a close aide to Osama bin Laden.

In refusing to disclose the prisoners' whereabouts or acknowledge the detentions, Human Rights Watch said, the U.S. government has violated international law, international treaties and the Geneva Convention. The group called on the government to bring all the prisoners "under the protection of the law."

"I think the U.S. demeans itself when it adopts the philosophy that the ends justify the means in the fight against terror," said Reed Brody, special counsel with Human Rights Watch.

CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield said the agency has not seen the report and declined to comment.

The report — titled "The United States' 'Disappeared:' The CIA's Long-term 'Ghost Detainees'" — said many of the prisoners have provided valuable intelligence to U.S. officials. But it also cited reports that some detainees have lied under pressure to please their interrogators.

Human Rights Watch has no firsthand knowledge of the treatment of these detainees. Much of the report stems from news accounts that have cited unidentified government sources acknowledging the torture or mistreatment of detainees.

The report provides a brief sketch of 11 detainees believed to be incommunicado in undisclosed locations. They hail from countries across the Arab world, including Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. U.S. authorities have confirmed the detention of six of them, the report said.

Confidence rising.....

 

[LinesInTheSand]

Good, hopefully they were killed.

 

[Ferrio]

Ya it's going to be hard to findanyone to have sympathy for them.

But, it still isn't right.

 

[Hitokage]

Good, hopefully they were killed.

Especially if they had the wrong guy.

 

[Freestyler]

Cry me a river. Glad to hear they're probably in torture camps.

 

[Dilbert]

Good, hopefully they were killed.

Cry me a river. Glad to hear they're probably in torture camps.

Do they even teach anything in the schools these days? Hey, dipshits -- human rights are only meaningful when they are applied to PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE YOU.

Also, for bonus points -- how does Bush get the right to spew crap about bringing "freedom" to the world when he does such a good job of depriving others of THEIR rights? It's called hypocrisy, and it's disgusting.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

Especially if they had the wrong guy.

America never gets the wrong guy. Isn't that Richard?

Shoal IS!

 

[impirius]

Slightly off-topic: Has Kerry said anything about this whole 'detention' debacle? I can't believe such a thing isn't getting more attention, especially in an election year, but I guess we have more 'pragmatic' things to worry about than ideas like justice and open government.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

If Kerry is smart he wouldn't touch it for 2 reasons

1. It is already being handled by the DOD

2. Undecided aren't going to flock to him on his view of detaniees.

 

[Drensch]

Sounds like Asscroft couldn't make a case so he did what the mob does.

 

[Freestyler]

Do they even teach anything in the schools these days? Hey, dipshits -- human rights are only meaningful when they are applied to PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE YOU.

Also, for bonus points -- how does Bush get the right to spew crap about bringing "freedom" to the world when he does such a good job of depriving others of THEIR rights? It's called hypocrisy, and it's disgusting.

Sorry but it's my opinion that anyone who masterminds the killings of three thousand innocent people doesn't deserve to breathe, let alone be treated with dignity or respect.

 

[Socreges]

Sorry but it's my opinion that anyone who masterminds the killings of three thousand innocent people doesn't deserve to breathe, let alone be treated with dignity or respect.

Opinions can be wrong.

The absence of torture is equal to dignity and respect?

Besides ideal notions, torture, practically, is flawed. People are conscious of double standards. Unless you don't mind your own citizens/soldiers being tortured, then you should set a good example. Not to suggest that everyone would thus abide, but surely if you want words such as "freedom" and "justice" to resonate with those that IT MATTERS TO, then conduct should be lawful.

 

[Freestyler]

Bla bla bla, throw in some more meaningless big words to make your argument sound better.

At the end of the day, these bastards were behind the killing of thousands of innocent people. I couldn't possibly care less about how tortured they get or what happens to them.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Sorry but it's my opinion that anyone who masterminds the killings of three thousand innocent people doesn't deserve to breathe, let alone be treated with dignity or respect.

see- you say this, but obviously don't seem to mind the thousands of innocent people killed by your president's phony war. you obviously don't understand what jinx is saying.

 

[Socreges]

Bla bla bla, throw in some more meaningless big words to make your argument sound better.

I'm just going to assume that I articulated myself so well that you couldn't do anything besides a weak cop out.

At the end of the day, these bastards were behind the killing of thousands of innocent people. I couldn't possibly care less about how tortured they get or what happens to them.

Fine. I just can't stand it when people use "But it's my opinion!" as a line of defense.

 

[Hitokage]

Bla bla bla, throw in some more meaningless big words to make your argument sound better.

At the end of the day, these bastards were behind the killing of thousands of innocent people. I couldn't possibly care less about how tortured they get or what happens to them.

No, these men were SUSPECTED of being behind the killing of thousands of innocent people. The article only mentions a couple names who are most likely guilty, but what about the others? Furthermore, this is only in addition to the known activities that has occured before with relation to places like Guantanimo and Abu Ghraib, also involving people, even US citizens, being detained and mistreated on mere suspicion.

 

[ManDudeChild]

Those that were behind 9/11 definately deserve to be punished, and it's certainly safer that they're locked away (or in some cases dead), but torture and acting as low as the terrorists doesn't accomplish anything. Plus, with some of the errors made as far as innocent people being detained alongside the guilty in some cases, torture is DEFINATELY not the answer. But nothing's wrong with it if it keeps the U.S. safe, right?

*goes to look for the biggest roll eyes possible*

 

[dog$]

At the end of the day, these bastards were behind the killing of thousands of innocent people.

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[gofreak]

Bla bla bla, throw in some more meaningless big words to make your argument sound better.

At the end of the day, these bastards were behind the killing of thousands of innocent people. I couldn't possibly care less about how tortured they get or what happens to them.

This is why you aren't President of the United States. We need morally courageous leaders who will stand up for what is right, even if it opposes "mob opinion" and base (but natural) emotion. Like Bus..

..oh, wait..

 

[Alcibiades]

Innocent until proven guilty.

in America's courtroom, yes...

 

[Drozmight]

Can't say that I care much, but even though they're terrorists, they're still human. You'd think the US would have the balls to be the bigger man and do things the right way.

 

[Miguel]

Hell, they're probably on the Panthers. They sure as hell need extra bodies the way they're crumbling like Vince Carter.

 

[Caddle]

Be careful what you ask for, torturing these people isn't the right thing to do. Now when Americans are shown on tv being tortured don't get all sympathetic.

 

[LinesInTheSand]

Be careful what you ask for, torturing these people isn't the right thing to do. Now when Americans are shown on tv being tortured don't get all sympathetic.

Yes, Americans being tortured versus the masterminds behind 9/11. Nice comparison!

 

[Drozmight]

Yeah, torture... meh. Makes me sick to think my government is doing such things.

 

[shoplifter]

in America's courtroom, yes...

Jose Padilla

 

[ManDudeChild]

Yes, Americans being tortured versus the masterminds behind 9/11. Nice comparison!

Who is being tortured is irrelevant. Torture isn't humane, nor is it an accurate way of gathering information. If your government can torture people, what's to stop from others "returning the favor"? It's a slippery slope that just keeps going down. That, as it seems to me you don't give a rats ass about about two wrongs not making a right angle, is why it's so important not to torture enemies.

 

[Kobun Heat]

Torture isn't humane, nor is it an accurate way of gathering information.

Torturing random people on the suspicion that they might be up to something (a la the KGB) does not work. Torturing people you know are holding out information works great.

 

[GLoK]

"Would you stop it with that shit! You beat on this prick enough, he'll tell ya he started the Chicago fire. That don't necessarily make it so."

 

[teiresias]

Torturing people you know are holding out information works great.

Yeah, it works great in getting the information the victim knows you want to hear, regardless of whether it's accurate or not.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

found a clue

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

What the hell is that Garfield being ejected out of a UFO?

 

[Phoenix]

Lets see, these guys have been out of the loop for years. Could it be possible that perchance any information that they give might be outdated now even if they gave you the 'right' information under torture?

 

[ManDudeChild]

Yeah, it works great in getting the information the victim knows you want to hear, regardless of whether it's accurate or not.

Exactly.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

More importantly the US (IMO at least) should be an example of how the world should work. We do that by showing that we are better because we don't have to use torture and don't allow suspects to "disappear" our judical system flawed or not should should always be open to public scrunity.

As a nation "based" on Christanity we should aspire to live by the Golden Rule.

All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 7:1

for my Jewish friends

What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellowman. This is the entire Law; all the rest is commentary.
Talmud, Shabbat 3id

And shalom to my brothers in Islam

No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.
Sunnah

Doesn't get anymore simple than that. When we use torture then those that live to tell about it will use torture on our Soliders. Humanity is not weakness.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Cry me a river. Glad to hear they're probably in torture camps.

Joke character. PEACE.

 

[Drozmight]

As a nation "based" on Christanity we should aspire to live by the Golden Rule.

This nation is based on christianity? That's news to... oh wait, nevermind, it's not.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

sarcasm meter rising

 

[Drozmight]

oh... [nervous laugh]

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

have we proven that these guys are al-quade (sp?) or just dudes that got caught in a round up of suspects?

 

[Tsubaki]

Bla bla bla, throw in some more meaningless big words to make your argument sound better.

At the end of the day, these bastards were behind the killing of thousands of innocent people. I couldn't possibly care less about how tortured they get or what happens to them.

It's mindsets like this that make me realize that America deserves all the hate it gets.

 

[Ripclawe]

http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6485725

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency is holding top al Qaeda suspects in a secret Jordanian jail where they are subjected to interrogation methods banned in the United States, an Israeli newspaper said Wednesday.
Haaretz daily said at least 11 men held incommunicado in Jordan include Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the hijacked airliner attacks on New York and Washington, and Hambali, accused of being al Qaeda's ally in southeast Asia.

There was no immediate comment from U.S. officials or Jordan, which is seen as a key ally in the U.S.-led war on terror.

Haaretz, citing international intelligence sources, said: "Their detention outside the U.S. enables CIA interrogators to apply interrogation methods that are banned by U.S. law, and to do so in a country where cooperation with the Americans is particularly close, thereby reducing the danger of leaks."

Most likely they are in Al Jafr prison and doesn't it sound lovely..

Al Qaeda's Desert Inn U.S. News and World Report ( MAY. 27) Al Jafr Prison doesn't appear on maps of Jordan. There are no photographs of the place available from the world's news services. The remote prison appears out of the southern desert as if some medieval apparition, with two towers anchoring a circular stone wall. Barbed wire is everywhere. The notorious prison was closed in the 1970s, but it reopened in the 1990s as a maximum security jail. "This is a prison," a Jordanian intelligence officer explains bluntly, "for terrorist detainees." It's also the place where the CIA has used a secret interrogation center since 9/11, U.S. News has learned. As many as 100 al Qaeda prisoners have passed through al Jafr, according to U.S. and Jordanian intelligence sources.