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Rallisport 1 is also known for its impressive draw distance and its 60fps framerate. Go play it again.
Still, I certainly never suggested that there was no improvement from original to sequel.
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Rallisport 1 is also known for its impressive draw distance and its 60fps framerate. Go play it again.
Still, I certainly never suggested that there was no improvement from original to sequel.
elostyle said:I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but how did they hide these at e3 and tgs?
There are the realtime demo reels(cell stuff, ff stuff, gundam, mgs4, etc...), and there were even sections were live interaction occured, mgs4, cell stuff, gundam, etc. We also know that none were on final kits
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I wonder what Nvidia thinks about the Xbox 360.....
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teiresias said:
Indeed. ATI/Nvidia combining with MS/Sony in this rat race was like a Corporate FUD Voltron or something. The scary thing is we're just getting started. :lol
Seriously, anyone that thinks a launch XBOX game looks as good as the current ones should just stop gaming (or being a fanboy). No way in hell would we see a game like SC: Chaos Theory during the systems launch. Name one XBOX game from launch that looks as good. Same with PS2. Name a PS2 game from launch that looks as good or better than MGS3. That scene in the field when you're fighting The Boss, come on.
And stop with the "Next Gen" animation crap. Animation is DEVELOPMENT, not SYSTEM POWER. Shadow of the Colossus = PS2, great animation. Fight Night 3 DEMO at E3 was a cutscene ala MGS. It was real time but they motion captured the whole thing. That is why the animation looked like that. He did NOT play it in real time, he moved the camera around the models in realtime. If you think the PS3 one is gonna have "superior" animation then you are sorely mistaken. He said the PS3 one is going to be a newer version, like part 4 since it's coming later (you know, attract people to it again if they played the 360 one). Will it be better than the 360 one, maybe, but lets' wait and see.
But again, animation is a development issue. Doing transitional animation for a boxing game must be hard so I don't see EA going balls out on it. Can you imagine? From left hook to block we use this set, from right cross to sway we use this....Blah. Put in some crap canned shit and move on is what it looks like their saying.
The extra power from both systems will help animation to a degree, but it comes down to the developers. Not an extra SPE...
And stop with the "Next Gen" animation crap. Animation is DEVELOPMENT, not SYSTEM POWER. Shadow of the Colossus = PS2, great animation. Fight Night 3 DEMO at E3 was a cutscene ala MGS. It was real time but they motion captured the whole thing. That is why the animation looked like that. He did NOT play it in real time, he moved the camera around the models in realtime. If you think the PS3 one is gonna have "superior" animation then you are sorely mistaken. He said the PS3 one is going to be a newer version, like part 4 since it's coming later (you know, attract people to it again if they played the 360 one). Will it be better than the 360 one, maybe, but lets' wait and see.
But again, animation is a development issue. Doing transitional animation for a boxing game must be hard so I don't see EA going balls out on it. Can you imagine? From left hook to block we use this set, from right cross to sway we use this....Blah. Put in some crap canned shit and move on is what it looks like their saying.
The extra power from both systems will help animation to a degree, but it comes down to the developers. Not an extra SPE...
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And even i am moderately surprised
i don't know why they replaced it relatively late in the day , but they did. That's a fact. The sarcastic response regarding the old chip is based on assumption about the performance of the previous chip that was _replaced by Nvidia's effort_
You'd have to assume that if you are replacing a component that it's got to be better than the solution you currently have - it's common sense regardless of what i do / don't know.
You'd have to assume that if you are replacing a component that it's got to be better than the solution you currently have - it's common sense regardless of what i do / don't know.
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This thread needs more vents.
The statement "The Epic demo was running on a PC, and it was done using an early 7800 in SLI mode, so that was a high-end PC demo" is completely incorrect.
Our demo was NOT running on a PC. Our E3 PS3 demo was a live demo running on a PS3 development kit.
--Mark Rein, Epic Games Inc.
Our demo was NOT running on a PC. Our E3 PS3 demo was a live demo running on a PS3 development kit.
--Mark Rein, Epic Games Inc.
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Mark Rein said:
>.>...Mark...Rein...of..Epic..Games?
Holy shit if your really Mark Rein....
6 months is a considerable amount of time. You can literally have a graphics chip a near generation ahead in 6 months time. Plus CELL has been development much longer than MS rushed XECPU.
Also, Xbox was put together with off the shelf parts. The system is the most powerful indeed of the current gen, but it was never optimized the way Sony will optimize with their planning for Playstation 3. Sony will be unveiling the goods soon enough.
Xbox 360 is the Sega Saturn of consoles. Sega Saturn was meant to be the 2D powerhouse, but not necessarly push gaming in a new direction like Playstation pushed 3D.
Xbox 360 will be a 3D powerhouse, but it won't push gaming in a new physics based direction where CELL will have a considerable advantage.
Also, Xbox was put together with off the shelf parts. The system is the most powerful indeed of the current gen, but it was never optimized the way Sony will optimize with their planning for Playstation 3. Sony will be unveiling the goods soon enough.
Xbox 360 is the Sega Saturn of consoles. Sega Saturn was meant to be the 2D powerhouse, but not necessarly push gaming in a new direction like Playstation pushed 3D.
Xbox 360 will be a 3D powerhouse, but it won't push gaming in a new physics based direction where CELL will have a considerable advantage.
I've never heard of PC-based devkits - and I know for a fact people have used Cell based ones at least since sometime in Dec2004.Jonnyram said:
There's a lot more to a chip then just performance characteristics. Stuff like being actually economical to manufacture usually plays a much more important roleDCharlie said:
teiresias said:
Think that would hurt MS more than ATI. And from the looks of it I thin Mr. Rein likes MS and the 360. Probably has a good relationship with MS too so that isn't really the way I think they would handle this. Would make all the fanboys happy I bet, but it would not make for proper business.
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And even i am moderately surprised
"There's a lot more to a chip then just performance characteristics. Stuff like being actually economical to manufacture usually plays a much more important role
yeah, but that's also a facet of good design is it not? - which is what was in question
and as far as i know , the Nvidia chip _is_ a lot better than what was going to happen - plus added benefit of nvidia software support etc etc...
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EviLore said:
Very true, i'm just not used to blatant out of the woodworks post like his. Thats pretty cool. I'm more used to developers that act under secrecy due to NDAs. I'm amazed at how GAF has lurkers that go that high in the industry.
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Well obviously economy factor alone would win out for that, but as far as the actual functionality goes I'm reserving my judgment for the moment.DCherlie said:
Those probably meant the most difference actually - you can never overestimate the benefits of positive PR that move bought them. Reality is that even if the other choice was superior hw, it would still be the weaker choice when it comes to getting things to show early.
ahh..the question that always answers itself.fart said:
Personally, I like this guy's moxy. Listening to someone say that stuff like Killzone and Motorstorm is a possibility on at least one of the next gen platform is so much better than listening to some people say, "Don't aim so high! We've been hurt by unfulfilled expectations before."
Mark Rein and EPIC were pretty pleased about having the first real working PS3 demo so coming on here to set the record straight is not that far out.
but back on topic I dont think people should really look into PR rubbish from ATI, their views are going to be negative whatever way they put it. funny enough these are the sort of comments Ive expected from the likes of Nvidia over the years.
but back on topic I dont think people should really look into PR rubbish from ATI, their views are going to be negative whatever way they put it. funny enough these are the sort of comments Ive expected from the likes of Nvidia over the years.
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teiresias said:
What the fuck is this? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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That just went past the top of my head, I have no idea what it means. Im guessing that main message is that its going to be much better than Xbox360
Yeah, they don't want to get licencing fees from each 360 sold instead of a PS3 and promote their tech as being superior to the main competitors Nvidia. That would be silly, getting money and promoting your hardware brand is for losers.xsarien said:
And all that outside of the possibility that he is actually stating what he believes.
Hehe, one does wonder why industry folk tolerate the general stupidity of this forum. But hey, I guess we have our moments on here, from time to time. GAF is the Boston of the gaming forum world. It's a little bigtown...or was that a big smalltown? Meh. The booze has sapped what little funny is left in me. PEACE.
Why? Its no more reasonable to assume the difference will be slight/negligible between these consoles than large.D.Cowboys said:
Everyone insisting the gap won't even be PS2:Xbox are guessing the same as those saying it will be pronounced. Although one is guessing based on promises + limited information whilst the other is guessing based on distrust + limited information.
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